bayder (Allies) defeated jmpsmsh (Axis +8) in round 9 by surrender in a PBEM game. Allies had Berlin surrounded and the Med controlled. Japan was growing immensely (collected 58 in round 8), but Moscow was defended well enough to last several more rounds, and Berlin couldn't last that long. While things were going Allies way early, their cause was greatly helped in round 4 when Hitler's generals errantly left Berlin a bit under-defended. UK had to lose fighters, but was able to take Berlin and plunder the Nazi treasury, before being evicted.

Thanks to jmpsmsh for a fast, fun, and cordial game! -bayder

bayder (Axis +10) defeated Mogulrunnin (Allies) in round 12 in a PBEM game. Allies started out with a successful mini-KJF effort, limiting Japan's growth early. UK shuttled troops for 2 rounds to Africa, which allowed Allies to eventually force Axis out of Egypt. But by doing so, Germany was able to lock up Europe and grow very big very quickly. USA suffered 2 significant fleet losses at the hands of Japan's navy and air force, and this turned the tide. Germany got in Cauc, and in round 12 gambled and won on an 82% chance for Moscow. UK could have retaken, but Japan was in position to take again permanently. This sealed the game. Thanks to Mogulrunnin for a fast, fun, and cordial game!

-bayder

In all seriousness, if the triplea leaders are accepting this interpretation on AA fire, I am of course 100% onboard.

Is it too soon to start the discussion of how AA gun possession and liberation is coded incorrectly?

@cernel I thought we weren’t supposed to discuss religion in the forums. (You are talking about Jesus, aren’t you Cernel?)

@panther Like I said, “Unless he’s an authoritative voice...”

I forwarded this thread to our AH/WotC development contact (Rob Daviau) from back in 2002/2003 when we were playtesting Revised. He responded with: "Yeah, I can see the conundrum here. Unfortunately I’m not even close to being authoritative when answering a question like that. I see pros and cons to both ways to interpret it. If I talk to WotC soon I’ll ask if anyone there can answer it."

Unless Krieghund is an authoritative voice from AH/WotC, I don't personally feel we have a 100% answer on this yet. I agree it's likely the plotted movement path option is correct, but not with any degree of certainty.

bayder

There is still zero reason for the rules to indicate that AA fire should occur in the Combat Move phase. The rules could easily state that AA fire occurs in Conduct Combat and Noncombat Move phases only. If this had been done, then there would be no questions regarding this rule.

That said, I don’t disagree with the intent to plot out all air moves before rolling any AA. As I have mentioned, I’m not arguing for or against any interpretation, just wanting to make sure it’s authoritative and correct.

For coding, I would suggest still including a warning message when plotting out an air move over AA so the player knows that later on the AA will fire on it.

bayder

P.S. Do we know how this rule is coded in any of the other major A&A platforms?