@Aidan even if you prefer dice which i tend to once ive gotten more used to a map at least if im not playing against others, just to add some unpredictability, you should try low luck enough to get used to it because it really teaches the math of this game a lot better than dice does.

i would maybe even suggest playing low luck on a simpler variation of the game before using it on TWW just because this map has a lot of bonus/penalty factors making it even harder to tell what's going on if you don't have all that in your head already.

so here is a rough idea using standard UI elements in this mockup we can def go fancier (custom buttons, fanciers fonts, foreground elements, etc.) if you want but figured we probably didn't want to slow things down at this point. please me know if that's an incorrect assumption.

@mattbarnes plus that tech branch also includes production advancements so usually, you already are making more materials by that time as well.

@FishyFingers probably revised once you get more used to the basic concepts you should play or observe versus a human player, then try the more complicated rule sets, imo.

@Black_Elk you'd think the horse would need some kind of gas mask too

@prastle yeah for sure would be happy to. what tournament are we talking about anyway maybe it's not too late to join?

@Michael-Hoover sounds interesting. really cool how many possibilities are built into the engine never ceases to amaze.

@Hepps i still have the original psd for the icon i could maybe make a cool intro for it too, let me know if you want to collaborate.

really like both of these ideas. i also think even further simplifying the battle window by only showing the currently active odds groups could make the whole thing much more visually appealing and less cluttered.

here's another random thought, if we are taking a deep dive on the battle window another thing that might be interesting is an enhanced low luck view. Since so many people play with LL and the predictability often leads to much more precise odds calculations that must be made in real-time in tight/large battles there could be some added value to be had there.

@LaFayette well i did mention TWW but the point is not all maps use the same mechanics for sub warfare how would these changes effect such maps?

Also, i'm not saying this is a dice versus LL thing but the rules of the game and our engine is based on the principle of dice. Any change to the way those outcomes should be expected versus the established rules presents an issue in my mind at least.

@LaFayette as long as we are sure this will not affect dice outcomes i withdraw my objection.

@LaFayette destryoers do not negate subs powers in TWW

@LaFayette well i did mention TWW but the point is not all maps use the same mechanics for sub warfare how would these changes effect such maps?

Also, i'm not saying this is a dice versus LL thing but the rules of the game and our engine is based on the principle of dice. Any change to the way those outcomes should be expected versus the established rules presents an issue in my mind at least.

@LaFayette if this change can be limited to LL only or as a universal map option (like 'combine first strike rolls in LL' or something) i would probably not object but reading this thread really makes me think this would be putting LL in front of Dice in terms of our priorities which i strongly object to.

LL is a thing that we invented to make battle outcomes more predictable. we should remember despite the value of this enhanced predictability to certain players it is dampening a key aspect of the game, war is messy, not predictable, and specifically to this point sub warfare should be more unpredictable than regular battle whether or not you are trying to make things more predictable than normal anyway, IMO.

Additionally, if this change were made universally it would definitely seem to break maps like TWW where the sub destroyer dynamic is totally different.

@LaFayette i'm in but i'm not sure how valuable i will be never really made a map of my own.

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@LaFayette i don't think it makes sense to group the attacks it would be a de facto change of rules. also, some maps do not use the standard method of destroyer/sub warfare so there's that too.

…but i don't really care for LL anyway so maybe my opinion shouldn't count for much.

@Mitchell you arent testing mac are you?

@Trevan i swear there is a preexisting map that is similar to #1 i would be glad to help but I only know about graphics, not the coding things that are required to make a map.

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