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    #8: VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, no German SCA, one sub Bay of Biscay removed

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    • VictoryFirstV Offline
      VictoryFirst
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      TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

      TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

      Game History

      Round: 3
      
          Purchase Units - Germans
              Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
      
          Combat Move - Germans
              2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R.
              1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
              2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
              2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
              2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              1 fighter moved from Hungary to Baltic States
              3 fighters moved from Germany to Baltic States
              2 fighters moved from Finland to Baltic States
              8 armour, 3 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
      
          Combat - Germans
              Battle in East Poland
                  Germans attack with 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry
                  Russians defend with 2 infantry
                      Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 11/42 hits, 12,00 expected hits
                      Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                      2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                  Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                  Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
              Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                  Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                  Russians defend with 1 infantry
                      Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                      Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                      1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                  Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                  Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
              Battle in Baltic States
                  Germans attack with 6 fighters and 2 infantry
                  Russians defend with 3 infantry
                      Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3,33 expected hits
                      Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                      1 fighter owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                      3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                  Germans win with 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                  Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                  Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
      
          Non Combat Move - Germans
              1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland
              1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
              1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Rumania
              4 fighters moved from Baltic States to Germany
              1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
              1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
      
          Place Units - Germans
              8 armour placed in Germany
      
          Turn Complete - Germans
              Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUs
      

      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

      Russians regular : 1,00
      Germans regular : -1,33
      

      Savegame

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        The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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        Game History

        Round: 3
        
            Purchase Units - Russians
                Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
        
            Combat Move - Russians
                5 armour and 3 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Finland
                1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        
            Combat - Russians
                Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                    Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                    Germans defend with 2 infantry
                        Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                        1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                        Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                        1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                    Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                    Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Battle in Finland
                    Russians attack with 5 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                    Germans defend with 6 infantry
                        Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 6 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                        3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland
                        3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                    1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians retreated
                    5 armour owned by the Russians retreated to Karelia
                    Germans win with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
                    Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
        
            Non Combat Move - Russians
                1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Finland to Karelia
                1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 25 infantry moved from Belorussia to Leningrad
                1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
        
            Place Units - Russians
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Atlantic Sea Zone: 1 transport
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                8 infantry placed in Leningrad
        
            Turn Complete - Russians
                Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        

        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

        Germans regular : 1.33
        Russians regular : -2.67
        
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          The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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          @victoryfirst

          Game History

          Round: 3
          
              Purchase Units - Americans
                  Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
          
              Combat Move - Americans
                  1 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                  1 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone
                  1 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco
                        Americans take Morocco from Germans
          
              Combat - Americans
          
              Non Combat Move - Americans
                  Turning on Edit Mode
                  EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                  EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                  1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                  1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                  1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                  4 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                  4 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                  4 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                  2 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom
                  1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Libya
          
              Place Units - Americans
                  1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in United States
                  3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
          
              Turn Complete - Americans
                  Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs
          

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            TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 3
            After G3

            Eastern Front: -39.87 / -15
            Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
            Africa/Med: -0.51 / -6
            Total: -51.21 / -17

            After Allied3
            Eastern Front: -37.4 / -24
            Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
            Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
            Total: -53.29 / -34

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              TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

              TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

              Game History

              Round: 4
              
                  Purchase Units - Germans
                      Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
              
                  Combat Move - Germans
                      1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
                            Germans take Baltic States from Russians
                      1 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
                      1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                      8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                      1 infantry moved from Rumania to Bessarabia
                      1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                      1 bomber moved from Germany to Belorussia
              
                  Combat - Germans
                      Battle in Belorussia
                          Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                          Russians defend with 1 infantry
                              Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                              Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                              Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                          Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                          Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
              
                  Non Combat Move - Germans
                      1 bomber moved from Belorussia to East Poland
                      1 bomber moved from East Poland to Germany
              
                  Place Units - Germans
                      9 armour placed in Germany
              
                  Turn Complete - Germans
                      Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
              

              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

              Russians regular : -0,67
              Germans regular : -0,67
              

              Savegame

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                The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                @victoryfirst

                Game History

                Round: 4
                
                    Purchase Units - Russians
                        Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                
                    Combat Move - Russians
                        2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
                        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Belorussia
                
                    Combat - Russians
                        Battle in Belorussia
                            Russians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                            Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                
                    Non Combat Move - Russians
                        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Moscow
                        5 armour moved from Karelia to Moscow
                        1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
                        1 aaGun moved from Karelia to Leningrad
                        1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 35 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
                        1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                        1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                
                    Place Units - Russians
                        7 infantry placed in Moscow
                
                    Turn Complete - Russians
                        Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs
                

                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                Germans regular : 0.67
                Russians regular : -0.50
                
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                  The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                  @victoryfirst

                  Game History

                  Round: 4
                  
                      Purchase Units - British
                          British buy 5 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                  
                      Combat Move - British
                          1 artillery moved from Algeria to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                          1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                          1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                          1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to France
                                British take France from Germans
                          1 infantry moved from Norway to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                          1 infantry moved from Norway to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                          2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                British take Netherlands-Belgium from Germans
                  
                      Combat - British
                  
                      Non Combat Move - British
                          1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                          1 armour moved from Norway to Karelia
                          1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                          1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                          2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                          1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                          2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                          1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                          1 destroyer moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                          2 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                          1 armour moved from Caucasus to Moscow
                          1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                          1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                          1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Karelia
                  
                      Place Units - British
                          5 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                  
                      Turn Complete - British
                          British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
                  
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                    The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                    @victoryfirst

                    Game History

                    Round: 4
                    
                        Purchase Units - Americans
                            Americans buy 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                    
                        Combat Move - Americans
                            Turning on Edit Mode
                            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            Turning on Edit Mode
                            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            1 bomber moved from Libya to Northern Italy
                            1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                    
                        Combat - Americans
                            Strategic bombing raid in Northern Italy
                                Bombing raid in Northern Italy rolls: 1 and costs: 1 PU.
                                Bombing raid costs 1 PU
                    
                        Non Combat Move - Americans
                            Turning on Edit Mode
                            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Libya
                            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
                            2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                            4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                            4 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                            3 destroyers moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
                    
                        Place Units - Americans
                            3 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United States
                            2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                    
                        Turn Complete - Americans
                            Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUs
                    

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                      TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 4
                      After G4
                      Eastern Front: -34.4 / -21
                      Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
                      Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
                      Total: -50.29 / -31

                      After Allied4
                      Eastern Front: -32.5 / -21
                      Atlantic/WA: -8.33 / +3
                      Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
                      Total: -45.89 / -32

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                        TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

                        TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                        Game History

                        Round: 5
                        
                            Purchase Units - Germans
                                Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                        
                            Combat Move - Germans
                                16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                                4 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                                1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R.
                                1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
                                5 fighters moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
                                1 armour moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
                        
                            Combat - Germans
                                Battle in Belorussia
                                    Germans attack with 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry
                                    Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                        Germans roll dice for 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 20/68 hits, 19,33 expected hits
                                        Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                    Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                                Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                                    Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                                    Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                        Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                                    Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                                Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
                                    Germans attack with 1 armour and 5 fighters
                                    British defend with 2 infantry
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 5 fighters in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                                        British roll dice for 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                        2 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                                    Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 1 armour and 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                    Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                        
                            Non Combat Move - Germans
                                5 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                                1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
                                3 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                        
                            Place Units - Germans
                                11 infantry placed in Germany
                        
                            Turn Complete - Germans
                                Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs
                        

                        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                        Russians regular : -0,67
                        Germans regular : 2,83
                        British regular : -0,67
                        

                        Savegame

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                          Odds:

                          Moscow: 40.05%
                          Berlin: 35.96% (20%-55%)
                          Final odds: 25,6% (18%-32%)

                          Given the bad German dice during this game, I'd say we need to remove the infantry from Romania to make Europe completely balanced.

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                            Funny because the game started out quite good in Germany's favor, but it went very much downhill later in the game. I think that's because the Allies rolled a bit above average in every single naval battle, and all those small bits added up and created a massive TUV swing in the Allies' favor.

                            In any case, I am not a fan of the G1 I did so let's go again after this. Did you want to experiment already with one infantry from Romania removed? I am already testing this with Ragnell due to a similar bad German game that still had - at least in my opinion - decent Moscow odds.

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                              @victoryfirst said in #8: VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, no German SCA, one sub Bay of Biscay removed:

                              Odds:

                              Moscow: 40.05%
                              Berlin: 35.96% (20%-55%)
                              Final odds: 25,6% (18%-32%)

                              Given the bad German dice during this game, I'd say we need to remove the infantry from Romania to make Europe completely balanced.

                              Looks right and so I'm going to take the 85% chance the Allies take Moscow on G5.

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                                @victoryfirst

                                Game History

                                Round: 5
                                
                                    Purchase Units - Russians
                                        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                                
                                    Combat Move - Russians
                                        1 bomber moved from Moscow to Germany
                                
                                    Combat - Russians
                                        Battle in Germany
                                            Russians attack with 1 bomber
                                            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 11 infantry
                                                Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 5/18 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                                                1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in Germany
                                            Germans win with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -15
                                            Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber
                                
                                    Non Combat Move - Russians
                                        1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 35 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
                                        1 artillery moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                                
                                    Place Units - Russians
                                        8 infantry placed in Moscow
                                
                                    Turn Complete - Russians
                                        Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs
                                

                                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                Germans AA : -0.17
                                Germans regular : -2.50
                                Russians regular : -0.67
                                
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                                  @victoryfirst

                                  Game History

                                  Round: 5
                                  
                                      Purchase Units - British
                                          Turning on Edit Mode
                                          EDIT: Removing units owned by British from English Channel Sea Zone: 1 armour
                                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from English Channel Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                          British buy 5 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                                  
                                      Combat Move - British
                                          Turning on Edit Mode
                                          EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Denmark: 1 armour
                                          EDIT: Changing ownership of Denmark from Germans to British
                                          EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Danish Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                          1 armour moved from Denmark to Germany
                                          1 infantry moved from France to Eastern France
                                                British take Eastern France from Germans
                                          1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium
                                          1 transport moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                          4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                          1 destroyer moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 destroyer moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                          1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Karelia to Germany
                                  
                                      Combat - British
                                          Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
                                              British attack with 1 artillery and 4 infantry
                                              Germans defend with 1 armour
                                                  British roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                                  Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                  British roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                                  Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                  1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                                              British win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from Germans with 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                                              Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                                          Battle in Germany
                                              British attack with 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
                                              Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 11 infantry
                                                  Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                  British roll dice for 2 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                  British roll dice for 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 3/15 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                                                  Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 8/18 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                                                  3 artilleries owned by the British and 5 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany
                                                  1 bomber owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                  British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Germany, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                                                  Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 9 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 9/15 hits, 6.67 expected hits
                                                  1 bomber owned by the British, 2 artilleries owned by the British, 3 fighters owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Germany
                                                  2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                              Germans win with 1 armour, 5 fighters and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -64
                                              Casualties for British: 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
                                              Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 4 infantry
                                  
                                      Non Combat Move - British
                                          Turning on Edit Mode
                                          EDIT: Changing ownership of Denmark from British to Germans
                                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                          1 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
                                          1 artillery moved from Karelia to Russia
                                          1 armour moved from Karelia to Moscow
                                          1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                          1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                                  
                                      Place Units - British
                                          5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                                  
                                      Turn Complete - British
                                          British collect 38 PUs; end with 39 PUs
                                  

                                  Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                  Germans AA : -0.67
                                  Germans regular : 2.17
                                  British regular : -5.33
                                  
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                                    @victoryfirst

                                    Game History

                                    Round: 5
                                    
                                        Purchase Units - Americans
                                            Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 
                                    
                                        Combat Move - Americans
                                            2 fighters moved from Karelia to Germany
                                            4 infantry moved from France to English Channel Sea Zone
                                            4 infantry and 2 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                            4 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                            3 destroyers moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                                            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                            1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Libya
                                            1 bomber moved from Libya to Germany
                                    
                                        Combat - Americans
                                            Battle in Germany
                                                Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 9 infantry
                                                Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 7 infantry
                                                    Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                                                    1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                    Americans roll dice for 3 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                                                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 9 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 5/12 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                                                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 7 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                                                    4 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                    6 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 1/8 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                                                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 1 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 3/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                                                    3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Germany, round 4 : 1/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                                                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 5 fighters in Germany, round 4 : 4/6 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                                                    2 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Germany, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                    Germans roll dice for 5 fighters in Germany, round 5 : 3/5 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                                                    1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                    1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                Germans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -32
                                                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 9 infantry
                                                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 fighter and 7 infantry
                                    
                                        Non Combat Move - Americans
                                    
                                        Place Units - Americans
                                            3 fighters placed in United States
                                    
                                        Turn Complete - Americans
                                            Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 46 PUs
                                    

                                    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                    Americans regular : -0.33
                                    Germans AA : 0.50
                                    Germans regular : -3.00
                                    

                                    USA5.tsvg never fear my curse is here. Your game - although Berlin was exposed at 85%.... I tend to agree that removing a piece on the east front feels right. Clean up in Moscow and then go again 😃

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                                      VictoryFirst
                                      last edited by VictoryFirst

                                      I believe you made a mistake during the UK turn. You edited the Russian transport to Danish Sea, added the tank to Denmark and then also used the tank to attack Berlin, as well as three UK fighters from Karelia that now have a landing spot in Denmark. However this is impossible because the UK tank loaded on the Russian TT on round 4, R5 the Russian TT moves, UK5 the tank unloads the same turn as the attack on Berlin happens -> Tank cannot participate as it just offloaded + Denmark was just captured and therefore doesn't provide a landing spot for the fighters.
                                      Definitely no biggie as the Berlin battle went completely my way, but just pointing out the 85% isn't correct.

                                      However I think I made a mistake too when computing the final odds for a German win. I calculated the theoretical best odds for each battle, but if you go fully for one battle then that means some units won't be able to participate in the other. Therefore the final odds for a German win are different.

                                      Allies attack Berlin on G5 (odds for German win)
                                      Berlin: ~64% (and not to forget I can use some tanks from EPOL to recapture Berlin).
                                      Moscow: 68%
                                      Final odds: 43.5%

                                      Allies defend Moscow against G6 attack and attack Berlin on Round 6 (odds for German win)
                                      Moscow: 39.47%
                                      Berlin: ~20%
                                      Final odds: 8%

                                      So seeing this I believe you should have stacked up Moscow. I could probably use a couple of tanks to strengthen the defense of Berlin to bring up the final odds because a couple extra units have a big impact on the Berlin battle, while only causing a minor drop of odds on Moscow.

                                      In any case 8% looks reasonable, much better than 25% which I previously calculated. Still I want to try the Romania thing to see if it makes the game more balanced or if makes it overshoot in the Allied favor.

                                      EDIT In fact, stacking up Moscow would even be better than attacking Berlin on G5 even if you were able to bring in the extra tank and three fighters.
                                      Berlin: ~ 10%-15%
                                      Moscow: 96%
                                      Final odds: 9.6%-14.4%
                                      Of course, the Berlin battle has a lot of possible variety which makes the final odds hard to compute, but the (generous) 9,6% is still higher than the 8%

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                                        VictoryFirst
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                                        So what I would suggest is redo your Allied turn because what happened wouldn't even be possible - and also because I am curious if the numbers tell the truth 😀

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                                          @victoryfirst

                                          USA5.tsvg my bad, I did this recently in my game with Theo but he didn't retake the Netherlands so you are correct. The transport edit was just bc I forgot to move it during the Russian turn and I was trying to make sure there was no error in combat.

                                          Here is what we are looking for - fire away:USA5.tsvg

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                                            VictoryFirst
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                                            OK now I am going to try to maximize the final odds for a German win xD

                                            Allies defend Moscow against G6 attack and attack Berlin on Round 6 (odds for German win)
                                            Moscow: 39.47%
                                            Berlin: ~30%
                                            Final odds: 11.8%

                                            +1 tank Berlin / -1 tank Moscow
                                            Moscow: 31.25%
                                            Berlin: ~70%
                                            Final odds: ~20% (21.9%)

                                            +2 tanks Berlin / -2 tanks Moscow
                                            Moscow 22%
                                            Berlin ~85%
                                            Final odds: ~20% (18.7%)

                                            BTW you could have purchased an artillery instead of an infantry on the UK turn. Since you can load two artillery on a transport in this game, you could have had some extra combat factors, so that's why the first calculation in this post is different from the one a couple posts earlier, in that one I assumed you would buy 6 art and 4 inf.

                                            In any case, it looks like +1 tank Berlin -1 tank Moscow is the best strategy. Let's see if I am lucky and can get 1 out of 5... 🙂

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