EXP G40 Game 2 Trout vs. JohnnyCat
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Standard Jap Turn 1 as far as I can tell. Although I recall you did not bother with the Philippines , hmmm. Hope I am not sticking my neck out too far with that move.
1769182061375-011ca8aa-510c-48ed-bf99-d45d1b19789a-exp-game-2-jc-J1Turn Notes J1.txt
Where do you get the fancy title to your game save file?
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@johnnycat Getting Philippines cheaply before I can fortify or destroy the naval and air bases is the biggest advantage of doing it. People that don’t do J1 attack normally focus on fighting China in the beginning. Unless your name is Panzer, he does his own thing and somehow still wins a lot of games
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@johnnycat Unfortunately, I don't know how to do the cool screenshots but need scramble instructions for SZ 97 and for SZ 111, would you like your U-Boat to submerge or fight?
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@trout I dont get it. I thought Uboats dont have SAMs. What am I Missing?
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@trout so why would they "fight". I saw that in the AI while playing the computer and figured that was a bug.
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@johnnycat Well, the U-Boat can submerge and survive since no destroyer. Since it's just a fighter and Batt against your U-Boat and damaged Batt, I could see where the U-Boat could help sink my Batt but he only hits with a 1 on defense so odds not in your favor. I would probably submerge but I don't think it's a horrible thing to fight. For example, let's say I roll average and get 1 hit, you roll average and get 1 hit. For losses, I have a damaged Batt and you lose the U-Boat. Then on round 2, I get a hit and so do you. In that situation, we both lose our Batts on round 2 and that would not have happened without the U-Boat. OR you can just kill my Batt easily on G2 by having a U-Boat wolfpack finish him off on that turn.
Anyhow, 9.5 times out of 10, a sub would submerge and survive but I could see where you would choose to have him participate. Your choice sir
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@trout OK the sub in 111 stays - maybe we'll get lucky
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@johnnycat Got it and for SZ 97, scramble or no scramble. How would Italy like their eggs?
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@trout Oh My - I did not even consider all that. OK all the planes that can fly out to destroy you... mooohahaha
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@johnnycat Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States Americans buy 1 Heavy_BB, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 elite and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceAmericans: Americans has 6 Rails placed in Eastern United States 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 6 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 submarine Japanese defend with 2 transports Americans win, taking 6 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Americans Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveAmericans: has removed 6 Rails owned by Americans in Eastern United States 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Mexico to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 transport, 1 usa_fighter and 1 usa_tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry moved from Mexico to Western United States 1 USAbomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands Place Units - Americans 1 Heavy_BB, 1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 elite placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Americans AdvancedProduction: Americans met a national objective for an additional 14 PUs; end with 70 PUs Trigger Americans Loses Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional -3 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceChinese: Chinese has 2 Rails placed in Kansu 2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan Combat - Chinese Battle in Yunnan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Chinese Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveChinese: has removed 2 Rails owned by Chinese in Kansu 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi 2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi 2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi Place Units - Chinese 5 infantry placed in Shensi Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs Objective Advanced Production 1 Infantry: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 18 PUs Purchase Units - British Trigger Seafire: buySeafire added to productionBritish British buy 1 Repair_BB, 1 UndrgroundFctry, 1 elite, 4 infantry, 2 uk_armours, 1 uk_fighter and 1 uk_para; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 3 AirLendLease; 3 NavyLendLease; Place Units - British Units in United Kingdom being upgraded or consumed: 1 factory_major 1 UndrgroundFctry placed in United Kingdom 1 Repair_BB placed in 110 Sea Zone Combat Move - British Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceBritish: British has 2 Rails placed in Union of South Africa 1 unit repaired. Trigger British RemoveRepair BB: has removed 1 Repair_BB owned by British in 110 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 uk_fighter moved from Scotland to 111 Sea Zone 2 uk_fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone 1 uk_fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 uk_fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone 1 uk_tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 1 uk_fighter moved from Burma to Shan State 1 uk_tactical_bomber moved from India to Shan State 1 uk_fighter moved from India to Shan State Combat - British Italians scrambles 2 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone Battle in 111 Sea Zone British attack with 1 battleship and 1 uk_fighter Germans defend with 1 GermanUBoat and 1 battleship Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British British win with 1 battleship and 1 uk_fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19 Casualties for Germans: 1 GermanUBoat and 1 battleship Battle in 96 Sea Zone British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 uk_fighter Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 cruiser and 1 uk_fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 97 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians Italians win with 1 battleship and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -38 Casualties for British: 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser and 2 fighters Battle in Shan State British attack with 1 infantry, 2 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 infantry British win with 2 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - British Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveBritish: has removed 1 Rail owned by British in Belgian Congo Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveBritish: has removed 1 Rail owned by British in Egypt 1 uk_tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to India 2 uk_fighters moved from Shan State to India 1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 artillery moved from India to Burma 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from India to Burma 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra British take Sumatra from Dutch 1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia British take Persia from Neutral_Allies 1 uk_fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta 1 uk_fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone 1 uk_armour moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec 1 artillery moved from Ontario to Quebec 1 infantry, 1 transport and 1 uk_armour moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 uk_armour moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 Rail and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt 1 uk_armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt 1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt 1 Rail and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Egypt Place Units - British Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone 1 elite, 2 infantry, 1 uk_fighter and 1 uk_para placed in United Kingdom 1 infantry and 1 uk_armour placed in India 1 infantry and 1 uk_armour placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6,4,5,4,2 British collect 45 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs Trigger British AdvancedProduction: British met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 51 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUsWell, your Italians scored a major victory in that your scramble paid off. You successfully fought off the Taranto Raid and in doing so killed the majority of the RAF. The U-Boat not submerging didn't pay off but killing the RAF hurts Mr. Churchill badly. Will need to munch about 100 additional cigars to help salve the pain of that. Speaking of Italy, Mafia up
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@trout said in EXP G40 Game 2 Trout vs. JohnnyCat:
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DAMMIT
So what does one do when the darn pieces don't do what I thought? I tried to take Malta and only 1 of the 4 guys landed... I pressed shift and only 1 tank landed and not all 4 attackers. I guess I missed it?
Anyway check it out? Maybe Master @beelee could give us some advice on this one?
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EDIT
I figured out what to do from the axis allies group here in San Jose.
They said to “just do what you would do if playing the board game!”
Which makes sense.
So they say to just finish the intended battle before closing the turn.So we save the one tank destroyed by your guy but have to roll the other tank and 2 inf.
Other things to consider are you might have even scored another hit so we have to check that. And does the BB get to do that barrage thing or probably not cause there was a fleet battle?
Anyway, I just don’t know how to do this extra roll stuff.
How you think ?
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These small TTys can be easy to miss sometimes as the Units will overflow into the SZ. There's a couple ways to do it but you being on a mac it might do it different as Idk what shift does.
On linux I click on an empty space in the TTy or SZ and it will list my Units.
You then select the ones you want to move and move them to the TTy.
Or you can manually click on each unit and then move them to the TTy.
Anyway your Tank missed and UK got 2 hits. Since I'm a neutral party, I will roll it out with the Dice Roller. If your opponent should not agree for some reason, then you would want to use Dicebot.
Seeing how this is a Gentleman's game, I will use the dice roller.
So we need to roll for 2 Inf and 1 Tank that didn't land. The first 2 dice are for the Inf.
1 Tank gets a hit. So UK takes the AA Gun as casualty and the 2 Italian Inf are killed for the 2 hits that UK got.
That leaves 2 Tanks against a Inf and a Ftr The first two dice are the Tanks then Inf Ftr
So 1 Tank gets a hit and the Inf and Ftr miss leaving 2 tanks against 1 Ftr
Both Tanks hit and the Ftr misses again. Italy takes Malta with 2 Tanks.
At start of NCM use edit to remove the UK Units and change Ownership to Malta. Add 2 Tanks to Malta. Remove the unlanded Units and Trprts, otherwise triplea won't let you remove them and then add the 2 Trprts back in.
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@beelee OK. THANK YOU
So should we know how to do separate dice rolls? I don't yet see how to do that.
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@johnnycat
I just did the rolls for you using the dice roller.Edit
Dice Roller is under "game" top leftDicebot is here https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/42075/game-1-global-40-exp-alexander-allies-vs-panzer-axis/228?_=1769262358738
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@trout
Mafia turn 1 complete. Aussies (and French) next; show me how to run the ANZAC correctly cause I had no idea in our first game and had you not let me snipe a Jap Transport I would not have known what to do with them. They are more pathetic than Italy.Thanks to @beelee for fixing that amphibious landing problem (and also my new group of 18 AA players here in San Jose).
1769182061375-011ca8aa-510c-48ed-bf99-d45d1b19789a-exp-game-2-jc-J1Turn Notes MAFIA 1.txt
So as the game notes state, there is very little Italy can do early on - only 10 PUs ! Wow that is tiny, can Germany lend them some cash?
I do have my first ever NAVAL MINE - I can't wait to deploy that somewhere cool, like off the coast of New York.
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@beelee ok. found it.. wow had no idea. Thanks
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@beelee. OMG I just saw that @Trout's USA attacked my peaceful Japanese zen masters!
That reminds me to ask: Is there one place where all the PU Bonuses and penalties are listed?
Like I just noticed somewhere that the Japs have to avoid taking French Indo China or lose 10 PU per turn. Wow. and now I cannot even find that again.
QUESTION: what is the consequences of USA attacking Japan turn 1? Any triggers for equipment or money?
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@johnnycat Yes, a bunch of bonuses kick in. Although one US bonus is if I have Philippines, which you took away on Turn 1 so I didn't get that one. It's still not a terrible decision but the main advantage for J of not attacking on J1 is to keep USA from getting their wartime bonuses.
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch Combat - ANZAC Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - ANZAC Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java ANZAC take Java from Dutch 2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland 1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to Queensland Place Units - ANZAC 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs Trigger ANZAC Liberates DNG: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 17 PUs Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 27 PUs Combat Move - French 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan 1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa 1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone Combat - French Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - French Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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USA can't attack JPN J1 unless JPN has DOW on UK or USA. If JPN DOW UK only, then USA can DOW on Turn 1 and attack.
The Objectives Tab shows most Bonuses but not all. Any other Bonuses you achieve will list at end of Turn or they're supposed too. Works on Windows but not on linux anymore.
I have to check History now.
Edit
National Guard kicks in page 31
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@johnnycat If this new information would have changed your decision, you can redo your J1 turn. The bonuses for USA when they are at war are:
- +14 every turn regardless of circumstances from the House Rules Expanded Production
- +5 for Philippines
- +10 if control Homeland USA territories
- +5 if control Alaska, Hawaii, Aleutians, Johnston Island, Line Island
- +5 if control Mexico, SE Mexico, Central America, West Indies
- +10 for Japan if at peace with USA
So total of +39 or +34 if Philippines taken once USA at war in addition to -10 for Japan since they lose the peacetime bonus. There's also a one-time National Guard rule whenever J attacks USA which you can see above. If USA attacks J, then no National Guard bonus. In OOB games, all of the bonuses apply except the +14 and the National Guard, yet J1 attack is very common OOB strategy because you can get started right away in taking those juicy territories like DEI, Hong Kong, and Philippines. But in HRE, not as common
The French Indochina bonus is only for playing Pacific 1940 instead of Global 1940
