Reward for Killing Units
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I'd like if you can test the TUV swing, instead of only the destroyed TUV of the defender. My main problem with this bonus for enemy TUV destruction is that it works only for the attacker, so it traduces itself into an hardly acceptable increase in complexity. Normally, you can simply guess if a battle is good to take by looking at the TUV swing, while, with something like "you get 1 PUs per every 4 enemy TUV you destroy", or such, you would need to look at the TUV swing, look at the defender TUV or units left, calculate the defender TUV destruction (in case the battle is not 100% or you don't intend to finish the defender off or there are significantly limited combat rounds), calculate how much you are getting out of it (even more complex if you are getting something else but PUs), and then adding it up to your TUV swing and see if a negative TUV swing would be actually positive, all considered. Really too much stuff, unless resources gain for enemy TUV destruction is directly supported by the program and calculated by the battlecalculator, as well, giving you the final stats.
The solution to this would be being able to test the TUV swing, instead of the defender destroyed TUV, since the other solution of having the defender too gaining from the attacker TUV destruction is not feasible, as you can have multi players defence.
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The main problem is when you are the defender, and need calculating if your stacks are safe (normally you just need to take care the TUV swing for the attacker is negative). Adding a cumulative TUV destruction reward rule is a huge increase in complexity, especially for FFA.
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@Cernel
I thought destroyedTUV included units killed while defending (this should be made clear in the PoS2 XML). It really should include this if possible -
@crazyg That was added (by Veqryn) to encourage people to attack at all in FFA. It was just meant as a substitute to diplomacy related bonuses, because people would just fake wars, while never actually attacking. Practically a check that you are actively at war, not just formally.
So, if TUV destruction bonuses would count the same way for attacker and defender, the increase in complexity would be fairly bearable, as it would be a not distortive amplifier, and I would most likely use such a feature, as well, especially for FFA. The problem with that, as I said, is who is getting the bonus, or how to share it, in defence, when you have multiplayer defenders (and remember that with FFA you can have multiplayer defenders that are at war with each other).
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@cernel
I do recall reading that thread. I had an idea to use this for free for all. I was going to make a science heavy game (like age of tribes) and your main source of science would be killing enemies. This is an actually powerful incentive to fight (Veq's idea encouraged fake wars)
Whoever is the casualty selector is the one who would get credit for the kills when defending. Occasionally you do get weird results when a territory is French owned but defended by British units, but the mechanic is easily understood. Its not perfect but it does the job.I don't think it being so weird in a fringe free for all scenario with multiple defenders is a reason not to use it.
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@crazyg said in Reward for Killing Units:
@cernel
I do recall reading that thread.We might be the only 2 superstites.
Whoever is the casualty selector is the one who would get credit for the kills when defending.
This is probably the cleanest solution for territories, if anyone will code it. As long as you have a territory, the selector is the owner. However, sea zones usually aren't territories and, in that case, you would not even know who is going to defend, and it would be very unfair for it to get the bonus, based on substantially nothing.
I'd rather go with the territory owner getting the bonus, and nobody getting any if no owner or null. -
@cernel I want, however, to point out that the selector being the owner (even in case not having units in the battle) is a TripleA invention, that can be even considered a bug. By rules, all the players defending with combat units must agree on casualty selection, and the attacker selects if they don't manage to. Also, I don't know how TripleA decides the selector when the zone has no owner, if a developer can tell.
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@cernel
You can give sea zones owners.Command goes to whoever has more units, which would be much better than just skipping all yields.
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@crazyg said in Reward for Killing Units:
Command goes to whoever has more units
Whoever has more TUV.
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@alkexr
Thank for clarifying
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