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    #8: VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, no German SCA, one sub Bay of Biscay removed

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      The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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      @victoryfirst

      Game History

      Round: 2
      
          Purchase Units - British
              British buy 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
      
          Combat Move - British
              1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
              1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
              1 infantry moved from Libya to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
              1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Tunisia
              1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
              1 destroyer moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
              1 fighter moved from Egypt to Tunisia
              2 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
              1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
      
          Combat - British
              Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                  British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                  Germans defend with 1 submarine
                      British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                      Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                      1 destroyer owned by the British lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                  Germans and British reach a stalemate
                  . Battle score for attacker is -12
                  Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
              Battle in Tunisia
                  British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                  Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                      British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                      British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                      Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                      1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tunisia
                      1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                      British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                      Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Tunisia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                      1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tunisia
                      1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                  British win, taking Tunisia from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                  Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                  Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
      
          Non Combat Move - British
              Turning on Edit Mode
              EDIT: Adding units owned by British to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
              EDIT: Changing ownership of U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans to Americans
              EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
              1 fighter moved from Tunisia to Egypt
              1 armour moved from Egypt to Syria
              1 bomber moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
              2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
              1 armour moved from Canada to Davis Strait Sea Zone
              1 armour and 1 transport moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
              1 armour moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom
              1 destroyer moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
              1 aaGun moved from Canada to United States
      
          Place Units - British
              2 transports placed in Atlantic Sea Zone
              1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
      
          Turn Complete - British
              British collect 16 PUs; end with 18 PUs
      

      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

      Germans regular : 1.33
      British regular : -1.33
      
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        The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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        @victoryfirst

        Game History

        Round: 2
        
            Purchase Units - Americans
                Americans buy 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
        
            Combat Move - Americans
                1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from United States to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
        
            Combat - Americans
                Battle in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                    Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                    Germans defend with 1 battleship
                        Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                        Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                        Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                        1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                        Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                        1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                    Americans win, taking British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Battle in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                        Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                        1 transport owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                        Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                        1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    Americans win, taking British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                    Germans defend with 1 submarine
                        Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                        1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    Americans win with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
        
            Non Combat Move - Americans
                1 fighter moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United States
                1 bomber moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                1 transport moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        
            Place Units - Americans
                1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in United States
                2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        
            Turn Complete - Americans
                Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
        

        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

        Americans regular : 0.33
        Germans regular : -0.67
        

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          TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 2
          After G2
          Eastern Front: -22.2 / -3
          Atlantic/WA: -3.76 / +32
          Total: -25.96 / +29

          After Allied2
          Eastern Front: -29.19 / -15
          Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
          Africa/Med: -0.51 / -6
          Total: -40.53 / -17

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            TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

            TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

            Game History

            Round: 3
            
                Purchase Units - Germans
                    Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
            
                Combat Move - Germans
                    2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R.
                    1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
                    2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
                    2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
                    2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                    1 fighter moved from Hungary to Baltic States
                    3 fighters moved from Germany to Baltic States
                    2 fighters moved from Finland to Baltic States
                    8 armour, 3 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
            
                Combat - Germans
                    Battle in East Poland
                        Germans attack with 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry
                        Russians defend with 2 infantry
                            Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 11/42 hits, 12,00 expected hits
                            Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                            2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                        Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                        Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                    Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                        Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                        Russians defend with 1 infantry
                            Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                            Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                            1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                        Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                        Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                    Battle in Baltic States
                        Germans attack with 6 fighters and 2 infantry
                        Russians defend with 3 infantry
                            Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3,33 expected hits
                            Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                            1 fighter owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                            3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                        Germans win with 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                        Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                        Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
            
                Non Combat Move - Germans
                    1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland
                    1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
                    1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Rumania
                    4 fighters moved from Baltic States to Germany
                    1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
                    1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
            
                Place Units - Germans
                    8 armour placed in Germany
            
                Turn Complete - Germans
                    Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUs
            

            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

            Russians regular : 1,00
            Germans regular : -1,33
            

            Savegame

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              The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
              last edited by

              @victoryfirst

              Game History

              Round: 3
              
                  Purchase Units - Russians
                      Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
              
                  Combat Move - Russians
                      5 armour and 3 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                      1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Finland
                      1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                      1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
              
                  Combat - Russians
                      Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                          Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                          Germans defend with 2 infantry
                              Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                              1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                              Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                              Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                              Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                              1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                          Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                          Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                          Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                      Battle in Finland
                          Russians attack with 5 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                          Germans defend with 6 infantry
                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 6 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                              3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland
                              3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                          1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians retreated
                          5 armour owned by the Russians retreated to Karelia
                          Germans win with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                          Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
                          Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
              
                  Non Combat Move - Russians
                      1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Finland to Karelia
                      1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 25 infantry moved from Belorussia to Leningrad
                      1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
              
                  Place Units - Russians
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Atlantic Sea Zone: 1 transport
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      8 infantry placed in Leningrad
              
                  Turn Complete - Russians
                      Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs
              

              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

              Germans regular : 1.33
              Russians regular : -2.67
              
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                The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                @victoryfirst

                Game History

                Round: 3
                
                    Purchase Units - Americans
                        Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                
                    Combat Move - Americans
                        1 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone
                        1 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco
                              Americans take Morocco from Germans
                
                    Combat - Americans
                
                    Non Combat Move - Americans
                        Turning on Edit Mode
                        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                        1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        4 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        4 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                        2 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom
                        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Libya
                
                    Place Units - Americans
                        1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in United States
                        3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                
                    Turn Complete - Americans
                        Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs
                

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                  TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 3
                  After G3

                  Eastern Front: -39.87 / -15
                  Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
                  Africa/Med: -0.51 / -6
                  Total: -51.21 / -17

                  After Allied3
                  Eastern Front: -37.4 / -24
                  Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
                  Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
                  Total: -53.29 / -34

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                    TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

                    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                    Game History

                    Round: 4
                    
                        Purchase Units - Germans
                            Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                    
                        Combat Move - Germans
                            1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
                                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
                            1 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
                            1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                            8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                            1 infantry moved from Rumania to Bessarabia
                            1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                            1 bomber moved from Germany to Belorussia
                    
                        Combat - Germans
                            Battle in Belorussia
                                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                    
                        Non Combat Move - Germans
                            1 bomber moved from Belorussia to East Poland
                            1 bomber moved from East Poland to Germany
                    
                        Place Units - Germans
                            9 armour placed in Germany
                    
                        Turn Complete - Germans
                            Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
                    

                    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                    Russians regular : -0,67
                    Germans regular : -0,67
                    

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                      The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
                      last edited by

                      @victoryfirst

                      Game History

                      Round: 4
                      
                          Purchase Units - Russians
                              Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                      
                          Combat Move - Russians
                              2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
                              1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Belorussia
                      
                          Combat - Russians
                              Battle in Belorussia
                                  Russians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                                  Germans defend with 1 infantry
                                      Russians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                                      Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                      1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                      1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                                  Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                                  Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                                  Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                      
                          Non Combat Move - Russians
                              1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Moscow
                              5 armour moved from Karelia to Moscow
                              1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
                              1 aaGun moved from Karelia to Leningrad
                              1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 35 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
                              1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                              1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                      
                          Place Units - Russians
                              7 infantry placed in Moscow
                      
                          Turn Complete - Russians
                              Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs
                      

                      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                      Germans regular : 0.67
                      Russians regular : -0.50
                      
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                        The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                        Game History

                        Round: 4
                        
                            Purchase Units - British
                                British buy 5 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                        
                            Combat Move - British
                                1 artillery moved from Algeria to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                                1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to France
                                      British take France from Germans
                                1 infantry moved from Norway to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                                1 infantry moved from Norway to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                                2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                      British take Netherlands-Belgium from Germans
                        
                            Combat - British
                        
                            Non Combat Move - British
                                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                                1 armour moved from Norway to Karelia
                                1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                                2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                                1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                                1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                1 destroyer moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                2 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                1 armour moved from Caucasus to Moscow
                                1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                                1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                                1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Karelia
                        
                            Place Units - British
                                5 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                        
                            Turn Complete - British
                                British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
                        
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                          Game History

                          Round: 4
                          
                              Purchase Units - Americans
                                  Americans buy 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                          
                              Combat Move - Americans
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  1 bomber moved from Libya to Northern Italy
                                  1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                          
                              Combat - Americans
                                  Strategic bombing raid in Northern Italy
                                      Bombing raid in Northern Italy rolls: 1 and costs: 1 PU.
                                      Bombing raid costs 1 PU
                          
                              Non Combat Move - Americans
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Libya
                                  1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
                                  2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  4 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                                  3 destroyers moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                                  2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
                          
                              Place Units - Americans
                                  3 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United States
                                  2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                          
                              Turn Complete - Americans
                                  Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUs
                          

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                            TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 4
                            After G4
                            Eastern Front: -34.4 / -21
                            Atlantic/WA: -10.83 / +4
                            Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
                            Total: -50.29 / -31

                            After Allied4
                            Eastern Front: -32.5 / -21
                            Atlantic/WA: -8.33 / +3
                            Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
                            Total: -45.89 / -32

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                              TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

                              TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                              Game History

                              Round: 5
                              
                                  Purchase Units - Germans
                                      Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                              
                                  Combat Move - Germans
                                      16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                                      4 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                                      1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R.
                                      1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
                                      5 fighters moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
                                      1 armour moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
                              
                                  Combat - Germans
                                      Battle in Belorussia
                                          Germans attack with 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry
                                          Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                              Germans roll dice for 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 20/68 hits, 19,33 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                          Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                          Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                                      Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                                          Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                                          Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                              Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                                          Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                          Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                                      Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
                                          Germans attack with 1 armour and 5 fighters
                                          British defend with 2 infantry
                                              Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 5 fighters in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                                              British roll dice for 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                              2 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                                          Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 1 armour and 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                          Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                              
                                  Non Combat Move - Germans
                                      5 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                                      1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
                                      3 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                              
                                  Place Units - Germans
                                      11 infantry placed in Germany
                              
                                  Turn Complete - Germans
                                      Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs
                              

                              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                              Russians regular : -0,67
                              Germans regular : 2,83
                              British regular : -0,67
                              

                              Savegame

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                                VictoryFirst
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                                Odds:

                                Moscow: 40.05%
                                Berlin: 35.96% (20%-55%)
                                Final odds: 25,6% (18%-32%)

                                Given the bad German dice during this game, I'd say we need to remove the infantry from Romania to make Europe completely balanced.

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                                  Funny because the game started out quite good in Germany's favor, but it went very much downhill later in the game. I think that's because the Allies rolled a bit above average in every single naval battle, and all those small bits added up and created a massive TUV swing in the Allies' favor.

                                  In any case, I am not a fan of the G1 I did so let's go again after this. Did you want to experiment already with one infantry from Romania removed? I am already testing this with Ragnell due to a similar bad German game that still had - at least in my opinion - decent Moscow odds.

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                                    @victoryfirst said in #8: VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, no German SCA, one sub Bay of Biscay removed:

                                    Odds:

                                    Moscow: 40.05%
                                    Berlin: 35.96% (20%-55%)
                                    Final odds: 25,6% (18%-32%)

                                    Given the bad German dice during this game, I'd say we need to remove the infantry from Romania to make Europe completely balanced.

                                    Looks right and so I'm going to take the 85% chance the Allies take Moscow on G5.

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                                      @victoryfirst

                                      Game History

                                      Round: 5
                                      
                                          Purchase Units - Russians
                                              Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                                      
                                          Combat Move - Russians
                                              1 bomber moved from Moscow to Germany
                                      
                                          Combat - Russians
                                              Battle in Germany
                                                  Russians attack with 1 bomber
                                                  Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 11 infantry
                                                      Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                      Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 5/18 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                                                      1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in Germany
                                                  Germans win with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -15
                                                  Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber
                                      
                                          Non Combat Move - Russians
                                              1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 35 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
                                              1 artillery moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                                      
                                          Place Units - Russians
                                              8 infantry placed in Moscow
                                      
                                          Turn Complete - Russians
                                              Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs
                                      

                                      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                      Germans AA : -0.17
                                      Germans regular : -2.50
                                      Russians regular : -0.67
                                      
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                                        @victoryfirst

                                        Game History

                                        Round: 5
                                        
                                            Purchase Units - British
                                                Turning on Edit Mode
                                                EDIT: Removing units owned by British from English Channel Sea Zone: 1 armour
                                                EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from English Channel Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                                British buy 5 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                                        
                                            Combat Move - British
                                                Turning on Edit Mode
                                                EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Denmark: 1 armour
                                                EDIT: Changing ownership of Denmark from Germans to British
                                                EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Danish Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                                1 armour moved from Denmark to Germany
                                                1 infantry moved from France to Eastern France
                                                      British take Eastern France from Germans
                                                1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium
                                                1 transport moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                                4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                                4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                                1 destroyer moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                1 destroyer moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                                1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Karelia to Germany
                                        
                                            Combat - British
                                                Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
                                                    British attack with 1 artillery and 4 infantry
                                                    Germans defend with 1 armour
                                                        British roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                                        Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                        British roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                                        Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                        1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                                                    British win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from Germans with 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                                                    Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                                                Battle in Germany
                                                    British attack with 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
                                                    Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 11 infantry
                                                        Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                        British roll dice for 2 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                        British roll dice for 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 3/15 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                                                        Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 8/18 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                                                        3 artilleries owned by the British and 5 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany
                                                        1 bomber owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                        British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Germany, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                                                        Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 9 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 9/15 hits, 6.67 expected hits
                                                        1 bomber owned by the British, 2 artilleries owned by the British, 3 fighters owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Germany
                                                        2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                    Germans win with 1 armour, 5 fighters and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -64
                                                    Casualties for British: 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
                                                    Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 4 infantry
                                        
                                            Non Combat Move - British
                                                Turning on Edit Mode
                                                EDIT: Changing ownership of Denmark from British to Germans
                                                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                                1 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
                                                1 artillery moved from Karelia to Russia
                                                1 armour moved from Karelia to Moscow
                                                1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                                1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone
                                        
                                            Place Units - British
                                                5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                                        
                                            Turn Complete - British
                                                British collect 38 PUs; end with 39 PUs
                                        

                                        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                        Germans AA : -0.67
                                        Germans regular : 2.17
                                        British regular : -5.33
                                        
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                                          @victoryfirst

                                          Game History

                                          Round: 5
                                          
                                              Purchase Units - Americans
                                                  Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 
                                          
                                              Combat Move - Americans
                                                  2 fighters moved from Karelia to Germany
                                                  4 infantry moved from France to English Channel Sea Zone
                                                  4 infantry and 2 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                  4 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                                  1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                                  1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                  1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                                  3 destroyers moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
                                                  1 infantry moved from Algeria to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
                                                  1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                                  1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Libya
                                                  1 bomber moved from Libya to Germany
                                          
                                              Combat - Americans
                                                  Battle in Germany
                                                      Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 9 infantry
                                                      Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 7 infantry
                                                          Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                                                          1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                          Americans roll dice for 3 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                                                          Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 9 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 5/12 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                                                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 7 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                                                          4 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                          6 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                          Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 1/8 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                                                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 fighters and 1 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 3/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                                                          3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                          1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                          Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Germany, round 4 : 1/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                                                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 5 fighters in Germany, round 4 : 4/6 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                                                          2 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                          1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                          Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Germany, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                          Germans roll dice for 5 fighters in Germany, round 5 : 3/5 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                                                          1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Germany
                                                          1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                                                      Germans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -32
                                                      Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 9 infantry
                                                      Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 fighter and 7 infantry
                                          
                                              Non Combat Move - Americans
                                          
                                              Place Units - Americans
                                                  3 fighters placed in United States
                                          
                                              Turn Complete - Americans
                                                  Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 46 PUs
                                          

                                          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                          Americans regular : -0.33
                                          Germans AA : 0.50
                                          Germans regular : -3.00
                                          

                                          USA5.tsvg never fear my curse is here. Your game - although Berlin was exposed at 85%.... I tend to agree that removing a piece on the east front feels right. Clean up in Moscow and then go again 😃

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                                            VictoryFirst
                                            last edited by VictoryFirst

                                            I believe you made a mistake during the UK turn. You edited the Russian transport to Danish Sea, added the tank to Denmark and then also used the tank to attack Berlin, as well as three UK fighters from Karelia that now have a landing spot in Denmark. However this is impossible because the UK tank loaded on the Russian TT on round 4, R5 the Russian TT moves, UK5 the tank unloads the same turn as the attack on Berlin happens -> Tank cannot participate as it just offloaded + Denmark was just captured and therefore doesn't provide a landing spot for the fighters.
                                            Definitely no biggie as the Berlin battle went completely my way, but just pointing out the 85% isn't correct.

                                            However I think I made a mistake too when computing the final odds for a German win. I calculated the theoretical best odds for each battle, but if you go fully for one battle then that means some units won't be able to participate in the other. Therefore the final odds for a German win are different.

                                            Allies attack Berlin on G5 (odds for German win)
                                            Berlin: ~64% (and not to forget I can use some tanks from EPOL to recapture Berlin).
                                            Moscow: 68%
                                            Final odds: 43.5%

                                            Allies defend Moscow against G6 attack and attack Berlin on Round 6 (odds for German win)
                                            Moscow: 39.47%
                                            Berlin: ~20%
                                            Final odds: 8%

                                            So seeing this I believe you should have stacked up Moscow. I could probably use a couple of tanks to strengthen the defense of Berlin to bring up the final odds because a couple extra units have a big impact on the Berlin battle, while only causing a minor drop of odds on Moscow.

                                            In any case 8% looks reasonable, much better than 25% which I previously calculated. Still I want to try the Romania thing to see if it makes the game more balanced or if makes it overshoot in the Allied favor.

                                            EDIT In fact, stacking up Moscow would even be better than attacking Berlin on G5 even if you were able to bring in the extra tank and three fighters.
                                            Berlin: ~ 10%-15%
                                            Moscow: 96%
                                            Final odds: 9.6%-14.4%
                                            Of course, the Berlin battle has a lot of possible variety which makes the final odds hard to compute, but the (generous) 9,6% is still higher than the 8%

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