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    #8: VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, no German SCA, one sub Bay of Biscay removed

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    • VictoryFirst
      VictoryFirst last edited by

      OK now I am going to try to maximize the final odds for a German win xD

      Allies defend Moscow against G6 attack and attack Berlin on Round 6 (odds for German win)
      Moscow: 39.47%
      Berlin: ~30%
      Final odds: 11.8%

      +1 tank Berlin / -1 tank Moscow
      Moscow: 31.25%
      Berlin: ~70%
      Final odds: ~20% (21.9%)

      +2 tanks Berlin / -2 tanks Moscow
      Moscow 22%
      Berlin ~85%
      Final odds: ~20% (18.7%)

      BTW you could have purchased an artillery instead of an infantry on the UK turn. Since you can load two artillery on a transport in this game, you could have had some extra combat factors, so that's why the first calculation in this post is different from the one a couple posts earlier, in that one I assumed you would buy 6 art and 4 inf.

      In any case, it looks like +1 tank Berlin -1 tank Moscow is the best strategy. Let's see if I am lucky and can get 1 out of 5... 🙂

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      • VictoryFirst
        VictoryFirst last edited by

        TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

        TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

        Game History

        Round: 6
        
            Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 1 artillery and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
        
            Combat Move - Germans
                16 armour, 8 artilleries and 44 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
                6 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
                1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow
                1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
                      Germans take Caucasus from Russians
                1 armour moved from East Poland to Germany
        
            Combat - Germans
                Battle in Moscow
                    Germans attack with 22 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 44 infantry
                    British defend with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry; Americans defend with 1 bomber and 2 fighters; Russians defend with 2 aaGuns, 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 54 infantry
                        Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                        Germans roll dice for 22 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 44 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 23/75 hits, 23,00 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 7 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 bombers, 6 fighters and 57 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 27/76 hits, 26,83 expected hits
                        27 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                        19 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the British, 1 bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                        Germans roll dice for 22 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 17 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 16/48 hits, 18,50 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 7 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 fighters and 37 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 21/53 hits, 19,67 expected hits
                        4 artilleries owned by the Germans and 17 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                        14 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                        Germans roll dice for 22 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 bomber in Moscow, round 4 : 7/27 hits, 13,00 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 7 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 fighters and 21 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 13/37 hits, 14,33 expected hits
                        4 artilleries owned by the Germans and 9 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                        7 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                        Germans roll dice for 13 armour and 1 bomber in Moscow, round 5 : 9/14 hits, 7,17 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 7 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 fighters and 14 infantry in Moscow, round 5 : 15/30 hits, 12,00 expected hits
                        1 bomber owned by the Germans and 13 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                        9 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Russians win with 7 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 fighters and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -88
                    Casualties for Germans: 22 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 44 infantry
                    Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber and 49 infantry
                    Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
        
            Non Combat Move - Germans
        
            Place Units - Germans
                1 artillery and 11 infantry placed in Germany
        
            Turn Complete - Germans
                Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        

        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

        Russians regular : 3,17
        Germans regular : -6,67
        Russians AA : -0,17
        

        Savegame

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        • VictoryFirst
          VictoryFirst last edited by

          This is most likely a GG, the Allies can finish the job 🙂

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            The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst last edited by

            @victoryfirst do you have the final numbers for how well or bad the Germans did in this game? If not, I will do it - I'd hate to overcorrect. This seemed like a pretty good Allied win and so I want to make sure the dice show Germany at something like.... minus -7 ish..

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            • VictoryFirst
              VictoryFirst @The_Good_Captain last edited by

              @the_good_captain

              Well I have this:

              After Allied4
              Eastern Front: -32.5 / -21
              Atlantic/WA: -8.33 / +3
              Africa/Med: -5.06 / -14
              Total: -45.89 / -32

              I have not calculated the net pieces, however I can still do that if you want.

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                The_Good_Captain last edited by

                @victoryfirst

                Game History

                Round: 6
                
                    Purchase Units - Russians
                        Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                
                    Combat Move - Russians
                        1 artillery moved from Turkestan to Caucasus
                        1 armour moved from Moscow to Ukraine S.S.R.
                              Russians take Belorussia from Germans
                              Russians take Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans
                        1 armour moved from Moscow to East Poland
                              Russians take East Poland from Germans
                        1 armour moved from Moscow to Baltic States
                              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
                        2 armour moved from Moscow to Caucasus
                        1 fighter moved from Moscow to Caucasus
                
                    Combat - Russians
                        Battle in Caucasus
                            Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter
                            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                            Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                
                    Non Combat Move - Russians
                        1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia
                        1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Russia
                        1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
                        1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
                        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Moscow
                
                    Place Units - Russians
                        6 infantry placed in Moscow
                
                    Turn Complete - Russians
                        Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 25 PUs
                

                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                Germans regular : -0.33
                Russians regular : 0.17
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                  The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst last edited by

                  @victoryfirst

                  Game History

                  Round: 6
                  
                      Purchase Units - British
                          British buy 5 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                  
                      Combat Move - British
                          5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                          5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                          1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Netherlands-Belgium
                  
                      Combat - British
                  
                      Non Combat Move - British
                  
                      Place Units - British
                          5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                  
                      Turn Complete - British
                          British collect 38 PUs; end with 42 PUs
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                    The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst last edited by

                    @victoryfirst

                    Game History

                    Round: 6
                    
                        Purchase Units - Americans
                            Americans buy 3 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 
                    
                        Combat Move - Americans
                            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                            1 infantry moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Greece
                                  Americans take Greece from Germans
                    
                        Combat - Americans
                    
                        Non Combat Move - Americans
                            Turning on Edit Mode
                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            2 fighters moved from Moscow to Karelia
                            1 fighter moved from United States to United Kingdom
                            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                            3 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                    
                        Place Units - Americans
                            Turning on Edit Mode
                            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Moscow: 2 armour
                            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 armour
                            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Belorussia: 1 armour
                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            3 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 infantry placed in United States
                    
                        Turn Complete - Americans
                            Americans collect 42 PUs; end with 47 PUs
                    

                    USA6.tsvg I think Germans concede? Is there anyway to get out of that?

                    As for numbers, if you could crunch the first two turns only (for piece count). I can do it but I'm so strapped for time - If you can do it, great but dont worry about it if youre short on time. Lets get the next game going (two inf malta, two inf Ukraine). GG! THANK YOU

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                    • VictoryFirst
                      VictoryFirst last edited by

                      Good Game, at this point the Germans are just confined to the defense of Berlin and with 4,5 times the income and 4 times the TUV, the Allies will bring this one home. As they should!

                      I am definitely not short on time. I'll crunch the numbers for the first two turns and let you know in a minute.

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                      • VictoryFirst
                        VictoryFirst last edited by VictoryFirst

                        G1
                        EF: -4.65
                        Atlantic: +0.93
                        Total: -3.72

                        Allied1:
                        EF: -5.71
                        Atlantic: -1.09
                        Total: -6.80

                        Allied2:
                        EF: -8.38
                        Atlantic: -1.36
                        Africa: +0.36
                        Total: -9.38

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                          The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst last edited by

                          @victoryfirst yeah lets drop the infantry in Romania

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                          • VictoryFirst
                            VictoryFirst last edited by

                            Game is here: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/4034/vf-germans-vs-tgc-allies-original-europe-game-9-with-balance-2-0/3

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