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    VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0

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    • VictoryFirstV Offline
      VictoryFirst
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      Net Pieces / TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 2
      After Allied2
      Eastern Front: +0.14 / -15.17 / -8
      Atlantic/WA: +1.91 / +11.45 / +64
      Africa: +0.85 / +0.9 / -6
      Total: +2.9 / -3.72 / +50

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        TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

        TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

        Game History

        Round: 3
        
            Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 
        
            Combat Move - Germans
                1 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R.
                      Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians
                1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
                      Germans take East Poland from Russians
                1 armour moved from Poland to Baltic States
                      Germans take Baltic States from Russians
                1 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
                11 armour, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                4 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
                1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                      Germans take U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Americans
                1 bomber moved from Germany to Karelia
                1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        
            Combat - Germans
                Battle in Karelia
                    Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                    Russians defend with 1 infantry
                        Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                        Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                    Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        
            Non Combat Move - Germans
                1 bomber moved from Karelia to Germany
                1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
                1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland
                2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                2 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                2 fighters moved from Hungary to Germany
        
            Place Units - Germans
                8 armour placed in Germany
        
            Turn Complete - Germans
                Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        

        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

        Russians regular : -0,33
        Germans regular : 0,17
        

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          The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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          @victoryfirst

          Game History

          Round: 3
          
              Purchase Units - Russians
                  Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
          
              Combat Move - Russians
                  2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
                  1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
                  1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                  1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Karelia
                  1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
                        Russians take Baltic States from Germans
          
              Combat - Russians
                  Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                      Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                      Germans defend with 1 infantry
                          Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                          1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                      Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                      Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                      Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                  Battle in Karelia
                      Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                      Germans defend with 1 infantry
                          Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                      Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                      Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
          
              Non Combat Move - Russians
                  1 bomber moved from Karelia to Belorussia
                  4 armour and 16 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
                  1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Karelia
                  1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia
                  1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
          
              Place Units - Russians
                  6 infantry placed in Leningrad
          
              Turn Complete - Russians
                  Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 21 PUs
          

          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

          Germans regular : -0.33
          Russians regular : -1.33
          
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            The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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            @victoryfirst

            Game History

            Round: 3
            
                Purchase Units - British
                    British buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
            
                Combat Move - British
                    1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                    1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Barents Sea Sea Zone
                    1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Finland
                    1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Finland
                    1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone
                          British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans
                    1 armour moved from Tunisia to Morocco
                          British take Algeria from Germans
                          British take Morocco from Germans
                    1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                    1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                    1 artillery moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Greece
                          British take Greece from Germans
            
                Combat - British
                    Battle in Finland
                        British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
                        Germans defend with 5 infantry
                            British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Finland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                            British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                            Germans roll dice for 5 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                            3 infantry owned by the British lost in Finland
                            5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                        British win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                        Casualties for British: 3 infantry
                        Casualties for Germans: 5 infantry
            
                Non Combat Move - British
                    1 bomber moved from Finland to Belorussia
                    2 fighters moved from Finland to Karelia
            
                Place Units - British
                    1 transport placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            
                Turn Complete - British
                    British collect 23 PUs; end with 27 PUs
            

            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

            Germans regular : 1.33
            British regular : 2.00
            
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              The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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              @victoryfirst

              Game History

              Round: 3
              
                  Purchase Units - Americans
                      Americans buy 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 
              
                  Combat Move - Americans
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Caucasus: 2 infantry
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Turkestan: 2 infantry
                      EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Iran: 1 infantry
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 infantry
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 fighter
                      EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Egypt: 1 fighter
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
                            British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans
                      1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                      1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
              
                  Combat - Americans
                      Battle in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                          Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                          Germans defend with 1 submarine
                              Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                              Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                              Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                              1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                          Americans win, taking U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                          Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
              
                  Non Combat Move - Americans
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      1 bomber moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                      1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
                      2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                      2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                      2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
              
                  Place Units - Americans
                      2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in United States
                      3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
              
                  Turn Complete - Americans
                      Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 43 PUs
              

              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

              Americans regular : -1.33
              Germans regular : -0.67
              

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                TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

                TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                Game History

                Round: 4
                
                    Purchase Units - Germans
                        Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                
                    Combat Move - Germans
                        1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        1 bomber moved from Germany to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                        4 fighters moved from Germany to Baltic States
                
                    Combat - Germans
                        Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                            British defend with 1 transport; Americans defend with 2 transports
                                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                1 transport owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                Americans roll dice for 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                            Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
                            Casualties for British: 1 transport
                            Casualties for Americans: 2 transports
                        Battle in Baltic States
                            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 infantry
                            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                
                    Non Combat Move - Germans
                        1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
                        1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                        8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                        3 fighters moved from Baltic States to Germany
                        3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Austria
                        1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                        2 submarines moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                
                    Place Units - Germans
                        9 armour placed in Germany
                
                    Turn Complete - Germans
                        Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs
                

                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                Americans regular : -0,50
                Russians regular : -0,33
                Germans regular : 1,83
                

                Savegame

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                  The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                  Game History

                  Round: 4
                  
                      Purchase Units - British
                          British buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                  
                      Combat Move - British
                          Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                          EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                          EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                          Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Leningrad: 1 fighter
                          EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 1 fighter
                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                          Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Leningrad: 1 fighter
                          EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Leningrad: 1 fighter
                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                          1 artillery moved from Greece to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                          1 artillery moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Southern Italy
                                British take Southern Italy from Germans
                          1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia
                          1 artillery moved from Finland to Norway
                                British take Norway from Germans
                          1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                          1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                  
                      Combat - British
                          Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                              British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                              Germans defend with 1 submarine
                                  British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                  Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                  1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                              British win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                              Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                  
                      Non Combat Move - British
                          1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                          1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                          1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                          1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Karelia
                          2 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                          1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                  
                      Place Units - British
                          2 transports placed in Atlantic Sea Zone
                          1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                  
                      Turn Complete - British
                          British collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs
                  

                  Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                  Germans regular : -0.33
                  British regular : -0.17
                  
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                    Game History

                    Round: 4
                    
                        Purchase Units - Americans
                            Americans buy 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                    
                        Combat Move - Americans
                            1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                                  British take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans
                            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                            1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
                    
                        Combat - Americans
                    
                        Non Combat Move - Americans
                            1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                    
                        Place Units - Americans
                            1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in United States
                            3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                    
                        Turn Complete - Americans
                            Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
                    

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                      TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

                      TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                      Game History

                      Round: 5
                      
                          Purchase Units - Germans
                              Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                      
                          Combat Move - Germans
                              20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                      
                          Combat - Germans
                              Battle in Belorussia
                                  Germans attack with 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry
                                  Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                      Germans roll dice for 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 28/82 hits, 23,00 expected hits
                                      Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                      1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                                      1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                  Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 53 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                                  Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                                  Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                      
                          Non Combat Move - Germans
                              9 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                              4 fighters moved from Germany to East Poland
                              3 infantry moved from Austria to Germany
                              2 submarines moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                      
                          Place Units - Germans
                              12 infantry placed in Germany
                      
                          Turn Complete - Germans
                              Germans collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs
                      

                      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                      Russians regular : 0,67
                      Germans regular : 5,00
                      

                      Savegame

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                        The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                        @victoryfirst

                        Game History

                        Round: 5
                        
                            Purchase Units - Russians
                                Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                        
                            Combat Move - Russians
                                1 bomber moved from Russia to East Poland
                        
                            Combat - Russians
                                Battle in East Poland
                                    Russians attack with 1 bomber
                                    Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 9 armour and 4 fighters
                                        Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                        Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                        Germans roll dice for 9 armour and 4 fighters in East Poland, round 2 : 6/13 hits, 5.67 expected hits
                                        1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                                        1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                                    Germans win with 8 armour and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                                    Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber
                                    Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                        
                            Non Combat Move - Russians
                                Turning on Edit Mode
                                EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to North Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
                                5 armour moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Russia
                                1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow
                                4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 56 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
                                1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
                        
                            Place Units - Russians
                                7 infantry placed in Moscow
                        
                            Turn Complete - Russians
                                Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs
                        

                        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                        Germans AA : -0.17
                        Germans regular : 0.33
                        Russians regular : 0.33
                        
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                          Game History

                          Round: 5
                          
                              Purchase Units - British
                                  British buy 4 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 
                          
                              Combat Move - British
                                  1 artillery moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
                                        British take Northern Italy from Germans
                                  1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 armour moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 armour and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                  1 armour moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Vichy France
                                        British take Vichy France from Germans
                                  1 destroyer moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                  1 destroyer moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 destroyer moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                          
                              Combat - British
                                  Battle in North Sea Sea Zone
                                      British attack with 1 bomber and 2 destroyers; Russians loiter and taunt
                                      Germans defend with 2 submarines
                                          British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 destroyers in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                                          Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                          1 destroyer owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                                          2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                                      British win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                                      Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
                                      Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                          
                              Non Combat Move - British
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from North Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by British to North Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Changing ownership of Netherlands-Belgium from Germans to British
                                  EDIT: Changing ownership of France from Germans to British
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  1 bomber moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Moscow
                                  3 fighters moved from Karelia to Moscow
                                  1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                  2 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                  1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                                  1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                  1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                  2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                          
                              Place Units - British
                                  4 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                          
                              Turn Complete - British
                                  British collect 45 PUs; end with 53 PUs
                          

                          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                          Germans regular : 0.33
                          British regular : 1.33
                          
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                            Game History

                            Round: 5
                            
                                Purchase Units - Americans
                                    Americans buy 4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                            
                                Combat Move - Americans
                                    3 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                    1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                    1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                    1 destroyer moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                    1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                    1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                    1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                                    1 bomber moved from Karelia to East Poland
                                    1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow
                            
                                Combat - Americans
                                    Battle in East Poland
                                        Americans attack with 1 bomber
                                        Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 8 armour and 4 fighters
                                            Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                            Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                            Germans roll dice for 8 armour and 4 fighters in East Poland, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 5.33 expected hits
                                            1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in East Poland
                                            1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                                        Germans win with 7 armour and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                                        Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
                                        Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                            
                                Non Combat Move - Americans
                            
                                Place Units - Americans
                                    4 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United States
                                    1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                    Turning on Edit Mode
                                    EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States: 2 artilleries
                                    EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                    EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                    Turning on Edit Mode
                                    EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States: 1 artillery
                                    EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                    EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 4 to 0
                                    EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                            
                                Turn Complete - Americans
                                    Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
                            

                            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                            Americans regular : 0.33
                            Germans AA : -0.17
                            Germans regular : -1.33
                            

                            USA5.tsvg *I should have sent the UK bomber against E. Poland but statistically, sending three bombers would net two kills at best (AA gun) so I'm comfortable with this result. I feel that the round 4 loss of transports in particular explains the disparity. Let's take it across the finish line. I don't see any reason to do more than remove the infantry from Romania as you have recommended. I'm just not sure if that is necessary...

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                              VictoryFirst
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                              TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

                              TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                              Game History

                              Round: 6
                              
                                  Purchase Units - Germans
                                      Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                              
                                  Combat Move - Germans
                                      20 armour, 8 artilleries and 53 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
                                      7 armour and 4 fighters moved from East Poland to Moscow
                                      1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow
                              
                                  Combat - Germans
                                      Battle in Moscow
                                          Germans attack with 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 53 infantry
                                          British defend with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry; Americans defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 70 infantry
                                              Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 1/5 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                              1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 53 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 26/92 hits, 28,50 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 73 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 28/88 hits, 30,83 expected hits
                                              28 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              24 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                                              Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 25 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 17/64 hits, 23,83 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 48 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 27/62 hits, 22,33 expected hits
                                              2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 25 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              15 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                                              Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 4 : 13/37 hits, 17,67 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 31 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 9/45 hits, 16,67 expected hits
                                              6 artilleries owned by the Germans and 3 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              13 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                              Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 12/28 hits, 14,17 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 18 infantry in Moscow, round 5 : 16/32 hits, 12,33 expected hits
                                              16 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              12 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                              Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 5/12 hits, 6,17 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 6 infantry in Moscow, round 6 : 11/20 hits, 8,33 expected hits
                                              1 bomber owned by the Germans, 3 fighters owned by the Germans and 7 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                              5 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                          1 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Belorussia
                                          Russians win with 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -153
                                          Casualties for Germans: 26 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 53 infantry
                                          Casualties for Russians: 69 infantry
                                          Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                              
                                  Non Combat Move - Germans
                              
                                  Place Units - Germans
                                      11 infantry placed in Germany
                              
                                  Turn Complete - Germans
                                      Germans collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs
                              

                              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                              Russians regular : 0,50
                              Germans regular : -17,33
                              Russians AA : 0,17
                              

                              Savegame

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                                GG, the Germans got their ass kicked lol.

                                I don't know, this game had more or less equal dice but the odds for Germany were still 70%

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                                  @victoryfirst said in VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0:

                                  GG, the Germans got their ass kicked lol.

                                  I don't know, this game had more or less equal dice but the odds for Germany were still 70%

                                  Agreed - the odds are what the odds are. I'm putting that disparity on the midgame loss of transports for the Allies. I'm just REALLY worried about recommending taking off that infantry. It looks balanced - I'm more afraid of going too far than anything else. Go again with the inf removed from Romania? Are we staying on the same sides or switching? Love our games btw, very fun!

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                                    @the_good_captain

                                    Optionally what we could do is remove 1 or 2 infantry from a territory that is NOT Romania. The Romanian infantry actually has a massive impact as it makes any G1 attack on Ukraine impossible. It caused a large change to my G1 opener. I strongly think the bay of biscay and 12 IPCs is not enough for the game balance, so it might be an idea to remove let's say 2-4 infantry from Germany.

                                    Yes, I love these games also. Let's play one more with he Romanian infantry removed but this time let's switch sides. I've been playing 11 games in a row as Germany. If I play one more as Germany I fear I will become a German myself 😂

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                                      @victoryfirst well, I really like the idea of removing the romania infantry. I think Russia should be allowed to have those units in Ukraine or Germany can take the risk of going easy on the Atlantic side to remove them by using extra fighters.

                                      I feel like its the right direction. But if it turns out more is needed, my thought was to add a single UK infantry to Malta. This would complicate the German attack on that island but not make it impossible. It would allow the Allied player more freedom with his bid.

                                      Good discussion though. I thought of removing a German tank instead of an infantry initally but youve won me over with the ROmania infantry

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                                        @the_good_captain

                                        You are right, I do feel without the G1 attack on Ukraine the game is less decided by dice. Those risky EF attacks have a lot of possible variety, a bit less than a powerful G1 Atlantic attack I feel. We can always experiment more with the various ideas.

                                        Anyway, if you are OK to switch sides, my bid will be 4 infantry in Ukraine.

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                                          @the_good_captain said in VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0:

                                          But if it turns out more is needed, my thought was to add a single UK infantry to Malta. This would complicate the German attack on that island but not make it impossible. It would allow the Allied player more freedom with his bid.

                                          What Eric and I do is ignore Malta all together. I believe we both think that save-guarding Ukraine is much more important than saving the UK fighter. The Malta attack feels also awkward to do as the Germans in my opinion, because the Med fleet needs to kill the DD near Gibraltar and using a lone transport to kill the fighter with just an inf and an art is a bit too risky I find.

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                                            @victoryfirst It might be a difference of opinion regarding best opener but I don't use the fleet to destroy the DD. I use a sub and a fighter or DD and a fighter and let the BB hit Malta.

                                            But I'm also not a fan of leaving the Mediterranean as the Germans. I've seen it done and done it myself enough times to say I prefer to pick up the middle east IPC for the end game as the Germans. I think it fits better for the "six turn" time limit. I'm not 100% settled on that but getting close.

                                            Eric has a very different allied playstyle compared to Theo, you or myself.

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