Made a quick edit just to see what it would look like if every starting factory had a synth barrel like Germany does in the latest iteration. I think it could actually work pretty well PvP even if the fuel for purchase was capped at like just one synth barrel per territory. Basically the destroy-able synth barrels could be interpreted as the reserve supply within a factory territory or the fuel logistics/distribution network (the tankers and pipelines or trains and planes, stuff that can be blown up), while the capture-able regular barrels would be like the actual oil fields and the stuff still in the ground... All goes to the same totals for gameplay movement purposes, but since you need a factory already in place to produce a synth barrel, there is that slight delay if a territory is trading hands, before the it can be fully exploited. Thematically, the synth barrels could represent fuel that's already been refined and in use above ground, while the regular barrels are like what you're digging and drilling out of the earth. Or at least that's one way it could be imagined. all starting factories with synth fuel.tsvg I think with a tight cap at 1, players would have a pretty strong incentive to capture each other's factory locations (to destroy the enemy supply, and develop your own added fuel), contesting the various VC's and +5 spots in the process. Under such conditions the Gold tiles would be really key to expanding the fuel reserve beyond the starting threshold, and to keep from running dry on the march down the road, since you'd need all the factories you can grab to place enough synth barrel units. If it was capped at 1 per territory (just like the factory unit), that would probably give room to keep the wheels turning into the endgame, but without risking a runaway oil bananza like might happen with unlimited placement. If 1 is too narrow, then could always go up to 2 or 3 per, but I think 1 might actually be enough. Basically it would be like the green fuel barrel is associated with the factories, but has to built/replaced separately if destroyed. Maybe could also be subject to bombing? That might be cool. But even if it just worked like it does now I think it might be fun to use the unit to push the fight around the map a bit, building off the various contested factory locations. Anyhow, I don't think they need to be in place from the getgo, just wanted to see what the totals might look like in that edit above, but I like the idea that they have to be placed at an existing factories and that they get destroyed when conquered. It gives the whole game a cool new spin, since now you can knock off the opponents fuel as well as building up your own. Makes the resource management feel much more gratifying. Nice work! Also, here are couple edit saves I was going to use for the solo challenge. It adds 10 synth barrels to the starting factories for either side. Since the AI doesn't understand how fuel works or how to conserve it, this should allow the machine to build up a huge reserve and basically have infinite fuel or at least more than its likely to use. For a harder challenge will probably add an income boost on top of that, (maybe flat rate at like 10 or something to see how that looks first) but thought I'd start here now that we have the new fuel unit to play around with. I dig it Allies 10 synth fuel per starting factory.tsvg Axis 10 synth fuel per starting factory.tsvg

@John-Cena The game is intended to be exclusively a WW II scenario. And while there will be special units for each nation... they are meant to be very historically based. As @redrum has mentioned... we are using a WW I scenario right now to develop and test some of the concepts proposed in this thread. Some of the other things planned for this map are as of yet not implemented in the engine.

@LovePlayingAAA Good catch, it appears we missed a few updates on some of the HeavyDestroyers and will fix that in the next minor version. ImprovedDestroyers and AdvancedDestroyer techs still exist and have been updated to make different improvements for destroyers now. This post outlines the sub/destroyer changes: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/493/total-world-war-december-1941-beta-2-8-0-5/392 (there were a few adjustments to that original vision). The notes haven't been updated yet for 3.0 but are in-progress and hopefully be added shortly. Please use the new TWW 3.0 for discussing the new version: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/1181/total-world-war-december-1941-3-0-0-0-now-available

Little one is a galley, big one is a man of war. Both can fight, I really dislike the instantly killed dedicated transports of some games.

@redrum here you go M&M2.tsvg M&M1.tsvg

@RoiEX so that was actually the same. i tried reinstalling triplea and also removing the entire triplea folder and redownloading tww. nothing seems to be working.

@redrum kk Japan and NewJersy bots run the latest pre and have maps updated

@beelee might try "TransportC8 D1 (already available) " if subs get out of Line. Seems ok so far though, ( U-Boats just took a beating as I type this ) but "Those Boys been in Dry Dock too Long". : ) With a C5 DD it'd no longer be the Fodder Unit. Also, just noticed, if a DD is fired on in CM while going to another SZ, You cannot move through that zone in NCM due to it have been being in a "Combat Zone". Another boost for the DD : ) Oops ! Sorry just realized probably not the right spot for this : )

**** FINAL RESULT **** Just received notification that Icelander defeated Wasp in the Finals. Congratulations to Icelander for his victory. It is worth noting that BOTH Wasp and Icelander kindly donated their prize money to TripleA development. Thanks to both of you for your generosity and good sportsmanship. Warm Regards, Deltium

@Black_Elk GG then! Score 1 for the Axis! Yeah, just create a new thread here in the forum and put the number after /topic/ in the PBF settings. The rest of the settings you can pretty much take from our existing game. Go ahead and start it up using 0.2.7 when you're ready. Good luck!

Haha right on! I got all keyed and fell asleep watching the talking lamp, so maybe tomorrow is best. That way we can give Frostion a proper run here. I'll cue up the Conan soundtrack, Battle of the Mounds style and try not to die too quickly

Congrats Bayder!

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 12 TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0 Game History Round: 12 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 3 battleships, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 6 armour moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 10 armour and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Persia to West India 1 armour moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from 106 Sea Zone to New Brunswick Nova Scotia 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Newfoundland Labrador Combat - Germans Battle in New Brunswick Nova Scotia Battle in Newfoundland Labrador Battle in Yunnan Germans attack with 6 armour Chinese defend with 3 artilleries and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 armour in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 3 artilleries owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Germans win, taking New Brunswick Nova Scotia from British, taking Newfoundland Labrador from British, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 5 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Casualties for Chinese: 3 artilleries and 1 infantry Battle in West India Germans attack with 10 armour and 7 mech_infantrys ANZAC defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 10 armour and 7 mech_infantrys in West India, round 2 : 7/17 hits, 6.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in West India, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in West India Germans win, taking West India from UK_Pacific with 10 armour and 7 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 infantry moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 battleship moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 104 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 121 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 121 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Western Germany to France 1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France 2 armour moved from Western Germany to France 7 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 5 armour moved from Novosibirsk to Caucasus Place Units - Germans 2 battleships and 1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 84 PUs; end with 90 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 95 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 100 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 105 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 120 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : Germans : 1.83 Chinese : -0.33 UK_Pacific : -0.33 Savegame

@LouisXIVXIV Congratulations. Thanks for the shout out.

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 12 TripleA Turn Summary for game: Global 40 House Rules with Canada, version: 1.96 Game History Round: 12 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 aaGunC4, 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomberA0C5, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 3 submarines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 22 Sea Zone : 0/2 hits, 0.20 expected hits Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 34 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 22 Sea Zone : 0/2 hits, 0.20 expected hits Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 23 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits 4 bomberA0C5s moved from United Kingdom to Germany 1 bomberA0C5 moved from United Kingdom to Germany 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 tactical_bombers moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to Germany 2 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 2 armour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 21 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 destroyerC5 moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 destroyerC5 moved from 33 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 16 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone Americans take 17 Sea Zone from Japanese 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Americans creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone Air Battle in Germany Americans attacks with 6 units heading to Germany Germans launches 2 interceptors out of Germany Attackers Fire, : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in Germany AA fire in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits AA fire in Germany : 3/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits 3 bomberA0C5s killed by AA Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 2 and causes: 2 damage to unit: bunker Bombing raid in Germany causes 7 damage total. Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 5, bunker = 2 Battle in 46 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyerC5 and 1 fighter Japanese defend with 1 destroyerC5 Americans roll dice for 1 destroyerC5 and 1 fighter in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyerC5 in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the Japanese lost in 46 Sea Zone Americans win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyerC5 and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyerC5 Battle in Western Germany Americans attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 airfield12, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour12 and 1 mech_infantry Americans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Western Germany, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 4.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Western Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany Americans win, taking Western Germany from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Battle in 22 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 2 destroyerC5s and 1 submarine Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 22 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 22 Sea Zone : 0/2 hits, 0.20 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese Submerged Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the Japanese lost in 22 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyerC5 in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the Japanese lost in 22 Sea Zone Americans win, taking 22 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Japanese: 2 destroyerC5s Battle in 23 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyerC5, 1 fighter and 3 submarines Japanese defend with 1 destroyerC5 Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 23 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the Japanese lost in 23 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyerC5, 1 fighter and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyerC5 Battle in 34 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyerC5 Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 34 Sea Zone : 0/1 hits, 0.10 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyerC5 owned by the Japanese lost in 34 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyerC5 Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Americans 1 fighter moved from 46 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 22 Sea Zone to Marianas 1 fighter moved from 23 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 2 bomberA0C5s moved from Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 4 bomberA0C5s moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 6 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 2 militias moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 militia moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 1 infantry, 3 militias and 3 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 3 militias moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 3 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 3 armour placed in Denmark 1 bomberA0C5 placed in Eastern United States 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Central United States 3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States 1 aaGunC4, 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 58 PUs; end with 58 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs Objective Americans VictoryCitiesWorth1PU: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs Objective Americans 5 Pacific Island Control: Americans met a national objective for an additional 8 PUs; end with 86 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : Germans : -0.33 Defenders Fire, : : -0.33 Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 22 Sea Zone : : -0.77 Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 34 Sea Zone : : -0.20 Americans : 3.17 Destroyer Depth Charge fire in 23 Sea Zone : : -0.20 Attackers Fire, : : -0.17 Japanese : -0.33 AA fire in Germany : : 2.17 Savegame

Actually, I now see I can download it without any account, as @RogerCooper said. A thing I wonder is if the name (both the game and the folder?) is supposed to change to "CCLXX BC" or is that just a temporary thing to avoid confusion with current, but it will be changed back to "270 BC" when updating? I assumed that was just a temporary change, but I see it's "CCLXX BC" in the decoration. ?

Teaser...

@CrazyG said in CrazyG's Big World War One: I agree with the slightly smaller version for the PU markers Ask an yeh shall receive... PUs.zip