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      Trout @Panzerstahl-Helm 0 last edited by

      @panzerstahl-helm-0 I think I figured out the battle calc thing. Looks like it was counting the LM's in the unit stats

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        Panzerstahl-Helm 0 @Trout last edited by

        @trout

        Howdy,

        you would need to remove the land mines for the calculation.
        TripleA counts them as units which can be taken as a hit.

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        I remove the average number of hits of the LMs when calculating the odds.
        so 20 LMs in Belarus defend against attacks from Novgorod and so do 20 LMs against an attack from the Baltic States.
        LMs defend at 2 for the first round only, which is roughly 6 hits against each border, so 12 hits (roughly) in total.
        So I would remove 10-12 units from yours for calculation.

        BR

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          Trout @Panzerstahl-Helm 0 last edited by

          @panzerstahl-helm-0 When I hover over the LM's it shows 20 on the E Poland border and 20 on the Baltic States border which means 0 in the battle. If I have that right. I may still not do it as battle calc is saying less than 50/50. I may need to do back-of-napkin math as I don't know if it is taking into account that your AA will probably shoot down something also.

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            beelee @Trout last edited by beelee

            @trout

            yea as Panzer said you need to remove the LMs. In this case all of them. Triplea won't allow for potential AA hits

            Edit
            I whacked the LMs and 2 Ftrs for G.

            Screenshot from 2025-05-13 18-57-48.png

            Edit 2
            I'm not 100% sure the battle calc figures bonus rolls. I've never actually mathed it out 🙂

            Edit 3
            You forgot to add Soviet 1st Tank. My bad it's in Moscow lol

            Edit 4
            There are 2 active Commisars. Should only be 1.

            Edit 5
            Seems as if triplea does. Here it is with the extra commisar deactivated

            Screenshot from 2025-05-13 19-12-09.png

            I'll stop butting in 🙂

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              Trout @Panzerstahl-Helm 0 last edited by

              @panzerstahl-helm-0 Game History

              Round: 8
              
                  Research Technology - Germans
              
                  Purchase Units - Germans
                      Note to players Germans: <body><b>It is Late 1943 and Our Factories are Now Producing Panzer Jagers !<br><br><img src="PanzerJagerFS.png"/><br><br></body>
                      Note to players Germans: <body><b>It is Late 1943 and Germany Receives One Free SubPen !<br /><br><br><img src="SubPen.png"/><b></body>
                      Note to players Germans: <body><b>It is Late 1943 and Our Factories are Now Producing Heavy Bombers !<br><br><img src="German_Hvy_Bmbr.png"/><br><br><img src="HvyBmbr.png"/><b></body>
                      Trigger PanzerJagerFS: buyPanzerJagerFS added to productionGermans
                      Trigger German Hvy Bmbr: buyGerman_Hvy_Bmbr added to productionGermans
                      triggerAttachmenEarly1943: has removed 1 Early1943_red owned by Changer in Early 1943
                      triggerAttachmenLate1943Red: has removed 1 Late1943 owned by Changer in Late 1943
                      triggerAttachmenEarly1943: Changer has 1 Early1943 placed in Early 1943
                      triggerAttachmenLate1943Red: Changer has 1 Late1943_red placed in Late 1943
                      Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone
                      Germans buy 2 GermanUBoats, 1 German_Hvy_Bmbr, 1 Hvy_Undg_2, 1 Panzer_General, 2 Waffen_Paras, 1 elite and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
              
                  Place Units - Germans
                      Units in Germany being upgraded or consumed: 1 UndrgroundFctry and 2 german_paras
                      1 Hvy_Undg_2 and 2 Waffen_Paras placed in Germany
              
                  Combat Move - Germans
                      Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceGermans: Germans has 2 G_Rails placed in Germany
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Germans takes Scotland from British
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Germans takes Karelia from Russians
                          EDIT: Germans takes Finland from Russians
                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                          Turning on Edit Mode
                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                      1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                      EDIT: 1 German_LCV moved from Western Germany to Scotland
                      EDIT: 1 German_LCV moved from Scotland to Norway
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Scotland
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Scotland to Norway
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Scotland
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Scotland to Norway
                      EDIT: 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
                      EDIT: Germans undo move 9.
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
                      EDIT: 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
                      EDIT: 1 Waffen_Para moved from Germany to Finland
                      1 armour moved from Archangel to Smolensk
                            Germans take Smolensk from Russians
                      1 LuftwaffeAce moved from Germany to Norway
                      1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                            Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
                      1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                      1 elite moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                      1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                      1 LuftwaffeAce moved from Greece to Eastern Poland
                      1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                      1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
                      1 elite moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
                      1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Eastern Poland
                      1 LuftwaffeAce moved from Greece to Eastern Poland
                      1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                      1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                      1 LuftwaffeAce moved from Germany to Holland Belgium
                      1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Eastern Poland
                      1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                      1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                      EDIT: 1 1stLuftfloffen moved from Western Germany to 1st Luftfloffen
                      EDIT: 2 GfighterAFs moved from 1st Luftfloffen to Norway
                      EDIT: 1 GAirCommanderOn moved from 1st Luftfloffen to Norway
                      EDIT: 1 Gtactical_bomberAF moved from 1st Luftfloffen to Norway
                      EDIT: Germans undo move 22.
                      EDIT: 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 104 Sea Zone
                      EDIT: 1 GermanUBoat moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
              
                  Combat - Germans
                      EDIT: Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      Battle in Norway
                          Germans attack with 1 GAirCommanderOn, 1 German_LCV, 2 GfighterAFs, 1 Gtactical_bomberAF and 3 infantry
                          Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                          Germans win, taking Norway from Russians with 1 GAirCommanderOn, 2 GfighterAFs, 1 Gtactical_bomberAF and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                          Casualties for Germans: 1 German_LCV and 1 infantry
                          Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                      Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                          Germans attack with 1 GermanUBoat and 1 bomber
                          Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                          Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                          Casualties for Germans: 1 GermanUBoat
                          Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
                      Battle in Eastern Poland
                          Germans attack with 1 LuftwaffeAce, 1 bomber, 1 elite, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                          Russians defend with 3 infantry
                          Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 1 LuftwaffeAce, 1 bomber, 1 elite, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                          Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                          Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
                      Battle in Holland Belgium
                          Germans attack with 1 LuftwaffeAce, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                          British defend with 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
                          Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 LuftwaffeAce, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                          Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                          Casualties for British: 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
                      Battle in Denmark
                          Germans attack with 1 elite, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                          British defend with 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
                          Germans win, taking Denmark from British with 1 elite, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                          Casualties for British: 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
              
                  Non Combat Move - Germans
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Changing ownership of Scotland from Germans to British
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                      Trigger Remove All ParaBoost: has removed 1 german_paraBoost owned by Germans in Bulgaria
                      Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermans: has removed 1 G_Rail owned by Germans in Germany
                      Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermans: has removed 1 G_Rail owned by Germans in Novgorod
                      Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 3 Wolfpacks owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone
                      Trigger Urals Tank Unit: Russians has 1 armour placed in Urals
                      Trigger SubPenLate43Place: Germans has 1 SubPen placed in Western Germany
                      EDIT: 1 GAirCommanderOn moved from Norway to 1st Luftfloffen
                      EDIT: 2 GfighterAFs moved from Norway to 1st Luftfloffen
                      EDIT: 1 Gtactical_bomberAF moved from Norway to 1st Luftfloffen
                      EDIT: 1 1stLuftfloffen moved from 1st Luftfloffen to Western Germany
                      1 Waffen_Para moved from Germany to Romania
                      4 armour moved from Western Germany to Germany
                      1 LuftwaffeAce and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
                      1 G_air_transport moved from Germany to Western Germany
                      2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Denmark to Western Germany
                      1 bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to Western Germany
                      1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Western Germany
                      1 2ndPanzerArmy moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 artillery moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 artillery moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 aaGun moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 mech_infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
                      1 elite moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                      1 waffen_infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                      1 LuftwaffeAce moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary
                      1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                      1 G_Rail moved from Germany to Western Germany
                      1 G_Rail and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Novgorod
                      1 WaffenPnzrGrndr moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                      1 infantry moved from France to Southern France
              
                  Place Units - Germans
                      2 GermanUBoats placed in 112 Sea Zone
                      1 German_Hvy_Bmbr, 1 Panzer_General and 1 elite placed in Germany
                      5 infantry placed in Germany
                      2 infantry placed in France
                      3 infantry placed in Western Germany
              
                  Turn Complete - Germans
                      Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone
                      Trigger ParaBoost atBulgaria: Germans has 1 german_paraBoost placed in Bulgaria
                      Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                          Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2
                      Germans collect 51 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 51 PUs
                      Trigger Germans AdvancedProduction: Germans met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 63 PUs
                      Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
                      Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
              

              I called off the Belarus attack. Fuehrer not happy at the Soviet Army being stronger than expected. Didn't bother doing the math as even if I had won, Luftwaffe losses would have been unacceptable. 😞
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