EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee Naval Mines (NM) Question:

The augmented rules (https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1692452927558-1.g40-naval-mines.pdf) state that NMs can only be placed in ones capital.

I have to assume the following; please let me know if any are incorrect:

1. in the USA's case, place in capital means East or West Coast, right? If not what would be the rational ?

2. Naval mines can be moved by destroyers or transports - 3 mines per escort. They can unload and arm them after the NCM (non combat move)

3. Naval Mines are placed on a line between sea zones - and this has to be noted by the players.

Example : The US could, in theory, place a number of mines in SZ 26 the Hawaii zone. And their location must be specified so the line between 26 and 24 (Wake Island) and 26 and 30 (Johnston Island)

The Japanese could move around these but if they moved directly from Caroline Islands, for example, how are these dice rolls handled ?

Thanks

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee @Trout
FOUND IT

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Hi Cat

Glad you made it to Asia safely Business Class or used to be known as 1st Class

Yea. so the NMs, NavalMines, US of A has their Capital in "Eastern United States". So can't place them in Cali Although the blokes can in India so ... well that's the rules

NMs can only be moved by "Escorts" not Destroyers. Some of the movement is "Player Enforced".

Yes you have the Sealine in the Seazone defending correct. Use the comment log to state which Mines defend where and/or state in Game Thread.

Actually best to state in Game thread as comment Log can get missed but when in doubt, check the log and if it's listed as it should be, then you'll have your answer.

Do your turn and save it where you have a question and I will look at it.

Idk any Chinese and JPN seems inappropriate, so a Good Day to you

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee Thanks - how are these mine attacks done in the game - what I mean is how are dice rolled?

So the only way to get Naval Mines From the East Coast to the Pacific is to ship them via transport or escort from the East Coast through Panama Canal or the long way???

So what is an "escort"? The rules say a ship that attacks with 1 and defends with 2 and follow destroyer rules.

So I don't get it - how do we acquire escorts?

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Yea so NMs are produced in EUS only. I think you can Rail move them, I'll check.

Nope you can't

brb with the Escort/DD thingy

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee Sorry to nag you on this but these Naval Mines seem very powerful if used well...

So what are Naval Mines 2 and 3 ? I thought you addressed that earlier but now I cannot find that. My plan is to purchase 5 Naval Mines, place them on the east coast, then next turn to load 5 naval mines onto the transport there, and ship them (in 3 turns) to the Japan Sea Zone.

OK I am kidding but this would work yes? The game shows that a transport can hold 5 NMs. But the rules may have said that "Escorts" whatever those are, can only hold and ship 3...

So confusing...

[beelee]

@johnnycat

oops

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1692452927558-1.g40-naval-mines.pdf

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee It turns out that knowing Japanese is a very valuable asset here in 2025 Taiwan.

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee YES I know this - and read it many times. Still don't know:

1. what is an escort and how to get them
2. How many NMs can be moved by escort (the game allows transports to move 5)
3. What is a NM2 and NM3

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Yea so only "3" NMs on a "Escort" at a time. Player Enforced. Triple has to allow illegal moves to make all Units transportable.

Edit
NM 2 = 2 NMs and 3 =3. 3 is the most common I find because that is max Escort ability to transport. Have to use edit to place them.

Edit 2
Ah you are in Formosa. I thought I had something wrong A Pleasant evening to you and I will post the Escorts directly

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Patience Grasshopper

i will explain directly

Edit
Escorts can't be purchased until turn 4, Late 1941. You can buy NMs and place them in your Capital but won't be able to move them until Escorts come into play.

So rd 5, Early 1942, would be the soonest you could move NMs that you had previously purchased.

Edit 2
When in doubt, you have to Player Enforce the rules.

Yea you probablly need to read the captain's rules again as i doubt the above explains it to you fully.

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee Patience... sorry but that was Latency not impatience, hahaha.

OK thanks I get all this mine stuff now - except how to get "escorts" but I am patient and look forward to the explanation when you get to it...

[beelee]

@johnnycat said in EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat:

but that was Latency not impatience, hahaha.

there you go again with those high dollar college words

I might have to look it up since I'm not at the bar and can ask 2 year Bachelor degree buddy the definition lol

Edit
Do they have Halibut there ? Idk I would think so favorite type of fish and chips

Edit 2
I edited above post for Escorts

[Trout]

@johnnycat He's in a yellow $2 territory that CKS ran away to after Mao decided that Communism is the way to go so that everybody can have a bowl of rice all to themselves every day. We are on Turn 3 in our game so Escorts not available yet. They work best in places that are bottlenecks which the Pacific doesn't have too much of. But it would probably cause me to take Pearl Harbor off of the attack list. Oh wait. Emperor has offered peace forever to Franklin so never mind, won't attack there .... Unless USA offends the Emperor's honor and rejects his offer.

[beelee]

@JohnnyCat

@trout said in EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat:

We are on Turn 3 in our game so Escorts not available yet

[JohnnyCat]

@trout

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USA3 just bought stuff, moved stuff, etc. but was surprised to find out that we were at war with Germany at the end of the turn - I had hoped to hang out with Hitler...

China did as they do - but they will return to wipe out the Japanese Plague soon enough...

And the UK did mostly India theater stuff - NOTE: I would like to have all the Land Mines in Burma ARMED...

I guess that is it; please let me know if I made any mistakes.

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[Trout]

@johnnycat Looks fine to me. Your China moves are as good as any player on the planet so you are a fast learner I guess in terms of the moves you do. Just need to learn the rules and you will be a force. Only mistake is that you can only put 3 pieces in Western USA/SZ 10 while at peace. Since until war, all three of the industrial complexes for USA are minors. Then they convert to majors after DOW. But let's play on as it's a learning game. Will post I3 later today
Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Europe_Rail placed in Southern Italy
        1 armour moved from Algeria to Morocco
              Italians take Morocco from French
        1 armour moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Alexandria
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Alexandria
        Battle in Trans-Jordan
            Italians attack with 2 infantry
            French defend with 1 infantry
            Italians win, taking Alexandria from British, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
            French defend with 1 cruiser
            Italians win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for French: 1 cruiser
        Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone
        Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 109 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone
        Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Europe_Rail owned by Italians in Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        2 fighters moved from 94 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        EDIT: 2 italian_paras moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        EDIT: 1 Italian_LCV moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Greece

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 25 PUs
        Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs

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UK hoarding money for something

[beelee]

@JohnnyCat

Good Morning Cat

I think it' morning there I don't really know though

So to arm the LMs in India, turn on edit "Add Units" , click on India, select "Changer". There are border specific ones for India so add the

"India_Burma" one or ones Then remove the unarmed ones. You have to handroll for the LMs before battle and edit any casualties.

It can be hard to find the right LM sometimes. If in doubt just pick a generic one and document in the comment log where it's defending.

Edit
Wow yanks a got a ton of Subs already

Edit 2
You have 2 Elites in Scotland. Can only have 1 Elite in a TTy. So either take Ireland or swap him out for a regular Inf.

Reminder. The Commandos are only good if paired with Arty

[JohnnyCat]

@trout Dear FieldMarshal von Tasty Fish,

Indeed General Montgomery and The Chaps (I forgot the admirals’ names) decided to plop down an unstoppable fleet in one turn. Which at this rate will be turn 8 (sure hope Stalin will still be around).

So Operation Sea Lion better get going soon, lol

Or maybe I’ll do something super weird.

BAD NEWS for the game, but GREAT NEWS for me, is that I’ll be out of internet (game play) contact for five days.

Oh and THANK YOU for the USA notes about minor factories…. I had no idea! Is that info buried in those house rules?

As for China… wow they seem to have zero choices. Unless
Franky decides to pretend the Japs were coming and decided a preemptive strike.

I look forward to hiring Doolittle and his crew, heehee

J

[beelee]

@johnnycat said in EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat:

but GREAT NEWS for me, is that I’ll be out of internet (game play) contact for five days.

Sweet ! You going backpacking in the interior ?

Well whatever the reason, have fun being disconnected. Tune in some senses

Peace