EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Hi Cat

Glad you enjoying your trip. Minus the train ride

Fctrys and Subs work basically the same as the OOB rules
https://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/60D52426B94D40B98A9E78EE4DD8BF94/6B7BC7B257E049558181A7D71B822DCF.pdf

https://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/60D52426B94D40B98A9E78EE4DD8BF94/01976084F8F14994BE3DA27CAF498033.pdf

(special Global Rules at bottom of rulebooks)

with a couple exceptions. Original Fctrys at Game Start can be upgraded by the Original Owner to "Heavy Industry" . Page 27 of the Captain's rulebook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jI_1JdIC-1KiTihBICJAbtX3GpVYnNgf/view?pli=1

Basically, for 2 PUs you can update a Minor Fctry so it can now produce "4" instead of "3" units per turn.
A Major Fctry costs 3 PUs to upgrade and can produce up to 12 units per turn instead of 10.

So, your Egypt Fctry can only produce 3 units. Same as OOB and yes it is a common build in OOB as well as EXP or HRE, HouseRulesExpansion.
The S Africa Fctry can be upgraded and then produce up to 4 units per turn.

Submarines can be ignored by other Naval Vessels unless it is an unescorted Transport. This is the same as the OOB rules and triplea does it correctly.

The biggest difference are the German U-boats. Page 41 of the Captain's rulebook. Basically, they only cost 4 PUs instead of 6 and if there are 3 or more present, they will form a "Wolfpack" and all U-boats will Attack or Defend at "3" for the first rd of combat only.

Edit
Ftrs and Infantry are your best bet to defend against Sealion. See the "Home Defense Rule" page 38

Edit 2
Subs aren't that effective by themselves in a defensive role. They are better off part of a larger Fleet where you can use them to strike offensively. Either in combat or Convoy raiding.

You can dl some saved games from the "Play By Forum" thread that Panzer and Trout and I have played. Look through "History" to show each turn and how it played out.

You can also read some of the "Game Reports" at the A&A site here
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/37723/global-1940-1943-expansions-game-reports

and the Captain's "Strategy Guide" is here
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/37458/strategy-guide-global-1940

Edit 3

Wow ! What a Badass looking Mountain ! Might be a little sketch climbing it this time of year Probably have to overnight it. I guess it depends what elevation you start at. Still, can't be a whole lot of daylight right now.

Use Caution

Edit 4

Beyond my paygrade

That looks more like a Expedition lol

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee hey B. Greeting from Chiayi now. I survived

And my new DJI mini 5 got some good footage of the MiangYue (silent moon) abandoned railroad.

That climb is actually not technical but this trip was just a scout and any actual summiting was more a dream of all elements coming together perfectly. And they did not.

So I’ll have to return.

Thanks for the axis allies stuff. Despite my reading all the rules, the house rules, the custom rules, the dreamers rules etc I still feel
Overwhelmed.

Will just have to play some turns to get a feel for all this.

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Sweet I actually did a little research and it looks like a fun climb. Not as technical as I thought Those are for kids

Yea after about 2-3 games people tend to pick it up. I read the rules or parts of every day for 2-3 years when I was modding it for triplea.

I still have to read them lol so does the Captain

Anyway, it's all about fun. It's a bit more involved than some care to deal with. You doing good man

[Trout]

@johnnycat Super jealous of you being in Taiwan. Looks like unlike me, when you have a work trip, you are able to mix in some tourism. I am a mountains guy but unfortunately, at my age my knees can't hack it anymore except for hiking up things like Smoky Mountains with my kiddos. Raw octo must not be too bad since it's a regular appetizer for you. When I was in Japan, I ate some seafood that didn't even have a word for it in English according to my bilingual friend I was visiting. Good times. Love those Hot Baths there followed by green tea and sake - aahh. I digress. Yes, you can redo your turn. Beelee is always a gentleman about that as well. This game is already way more interesting than I thought it would be. I suspected a typical learner's game. What I didn't expect is that you pulled out a JC Russian Tank gambit and intuitively know how to play China well. You are also getting ready to lay down a D-Day smackdown which I have not yet seen somebody else do exactly as you are.

Yes, it's a common play to build a minor factory in Egypt. Really helps anchor your African/Middle East defense and allows UK to help out Russia by trickling units up through Persia/Caucasus route. But make sure you can hold it if you do build it because capturing an Egyptian factory looks mighty tasty to Benito and his Fascist buddies.

[beelee]

@trout

calamari is what we called it in Alaska. Although we did actually cook it. Not for long though

Fisherman buddy would bring one in once in a while

Sake Banzai !

[JohnnyCat]

@trout
WOW. We really need to get on a phone and chat some I’d say. Lots in common from what you’ve been writing.

As far as the game goes: rather than redo how bout we just make those minor corrections.
Maybe help me to clean up. @beelee could maybe help too.

As I recall :

1. I built more than 3 on western USA. So I’d have to move some crap to central I guess.

2. As B pointed out, I stacked an elite in the northern UK I think. So either I’ll take the cash back and put an extra inf in London (which seems like normal) or you could go out on a limb and pretend that elite dude invaded Ireland (assuming there is a land bridge. I don’t recall how this game does that Uk-to-Ireland move )

Not sure I messed up anything else but I dunno.

Thoughts ? Comments ?

PS. You both in Texas now yes? You guys ever meet? I guess I’m curious to chat about more than the game so I’ll just PM ya both.

And what yall think about my idea to make video tutorials for this thing ? This thing being “Axis and Allies G40 - with Captain’s House Rules” <— please tell me the correct name of this game if I got this wrong.

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Yea amazingly there is a land bridge to Ireland in the Global 40 World

Easy now. I'm a yankee albeit a midwest one

Yea crockett gonna do a video on his channel soon. If I'd finish my Game report from the multi he'd probably start on it I only have a year and a half to go. I will try and work on it after my nap

Anyway, the more the merrier I say The Captain had talked about it but as far as I know, nobody has done one yet. Video that is.

Yea I'd just edit a dude to UK and remove the extra Elite in Scotland. I can't remember about the WUSA place. Trout will dial you in.

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee ok. That sounds great to me : that nobody or few have done an educational learn to play video.

I’m not committing to that yet … but it’s very interesting to me.

And yes, if Field Marshall @Trout agrees let’s put one more sucker (inf) in London and bank that cost.

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Yea it'd be a lot of work. I started a while back with some examples at the other site for how triplea does it. A lot of it is out of date now though.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36998/global-1940-and-1943-expansion-for-use-with-triplea

Actuall crocket did an interview with the Captain and he talks quite a bit about the mod there

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40629/video-interviews-of-league-players-by-crockett36?page=1

He's The Captain towards the end of the list

[JohnnyCat]

@trout

I did NOT redo USA nor China. And I recall that I had already fixed that USA West coast deployment in game so double check but I believe that is all kosher.

I did redo UK3 since I know a little more - or think I do, haha.

I armed the 4 mines next to India.

Hey why are you "landing craft" from Germany in Greece? I don't get it. Did you use them for something? How do they work?

And why is this forum called, "Play by forum" when we are playing by Email? What is play by forum? Sounds like play by committee...

104f0b47-e97c-438e-8757-c6cb9b3af6f8-exp-game-1-jc-UK3.txt

Anyway, I bought a bunch of planes but have no clue if fighters are better than tact bombers. I stayed within the 20 IPU India (I think) if not we can place an inf to Egypt or south Africa instead.

104f0b47-e97c-438e-8757-c6cb9b3af6f8-exp-game-1-jc-USA_CHINA_UK_3.tsvg

Mighty Italy is up. I read the rules again and figure you will want to have Germany take over Italy...

So it seems to me that a flaw in this game is Sea Lion. Either Germany gets to do it quick and that makes for like a 3-move checkmate: which may feel unfulfilling but I dunno. I just know that in all other AA games I have played the UK fleet was there solid unlike how you have dominated the North Sea

I doubt the UK player should try to compete directly with fleet buildup - but they do need to get rid of those pesky Nazis.... So I am guessing on flooding the zone with air power to do it.

And yea matey, please tell me about those landing craft - I have never seen those. Do they fly as well as move on land?

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Hi Cat

For the Burma LMs you need to add units from the "Changer" player. Changer is allied to everyone and this allows any undetonated LMs not to cause a battle if the TTy they are in is conquered.

You also need to declare which border the LMs are defending against. Most high use areas have specific LMs that allow one to hover on the LM and it will tell you which Border it is defending.

I assume Yunnan in this case, so you would want to add the "uk_mine_Burma_Yunnan" LM from Changer.

If no specific LM available, pick a generic one and document it in Comment Log or the Game Thread. Or Both is ideal so it's easy to check

Landing Craft "LCVs" are used in certain areas more so than others. Greece is one of those areas. The LCV can move into a SZ and then a Land Territory. It can transport the same units that a Naval Trprt can.

So the German LCVs in Greece can land in Syria, Caucasus, Rostov UKR etc ... so any TTy bordering 99 SZ, 100 SZ and 97 SZ. Submarines do not block their movement but Trprts do. So All Surface Naval Vessels block their movement.

They get a plus one move from a Harbor same as all Ships. If the TTY they land in has LMs defending, they have to cross them successfully. They get hit the dudes they are transporting die too.

More details on page 38 of the rulebook https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jI_1JdIC-1KiTihBICJAbtX3GpVYnNgf/view

You have to use edit "Perform Move or Other Actions" to cross SZs. They will move 1 space on land in NCM. Can be taken as a casualty even if empty. Only on attack. Defense they just die if the TTy they are in is conquered.

Edit
PBEM and PBF are essentially interchangeable. PBF is the popular thread for Forum games, so we post ours there so they are in one place. PBEM and PBF were created 20 years ago when the difference was more pronounced between them.

I linked you some posts from Victory previously that explain it. Search the PBF threads for your first attempt at a game. It will be in there.

Ftrs are bestter for defense and Ftrs paired with Tacs for offense. I personally will usually go heavier with Ftrs but like to have at least a few Tacs to pair up with them.

The German Takeover of Italy cannot happen until Late 1943. It's one of the most powerful moves in the game and is hard to defend against. Basically just try and ride it out as once Italia is out of the game there are some benefits to the Allies as in Italy can't canopen attack for the reich.

Edit 2
Sealion is definitely a possibility same as the Out Of Box game. London must be adequately defended or it will fall. A difference in this mod and OOB, is that the fall of london will end the game whereas in OOB the Allies can fight on.

I usually do my India purchases first and all at once. I also try to max them out to their 20 income, although early game, it might be necessary to put more resources into London to prevent the aforementioned Sealion.

You can look at Trout's current game with me for an example of a successful Sealion.

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee @Trout

Thanks again B

As usual I had no idea such a “changer” tool existed.

I’ll get to it later today. But ya, das Yunnan border.

If Field Marshal von Tasty Fish likes he can do Italy and I’ll fix this when I’m next up. Or I’ll fix it in a few hours after some business stuff I gots to do

[Trout]

@johnnycat Hey JC. You can take your time and fix it. Mrs. Trout has been feeling a bit neglected lately so needing to spend some time with her today and tomorrow. Will be a little while before I can do my next turn. Yes Italian takeover is lethal but it can’t happen before G8 so no worries for now. As far as the King’s Royal Navy, the biggest problem is that G can build U-Boats for only 4$ each and can build the Bismarck for which UK is not allowed to build an equal counterpart. But of course different story once USA joins the fight. However those two Nazi weapons make it nearly impossible

[Trout]

@johnnycat Nearly impossible to keep up unless G lets it catch up by investing a lot in kill Uncle Joe strategy to the east. Well you will get the hang of it eventually but these multiple strategies that you have to think about is why it’s one of the greatest games ever. Got to get back to Mrs. Trout now

[JohnnyCat]

@trout

@trout clearly Mrs von Tasty Fish is a VERY LUCKY woman !

Ok well thanks for confirming those strategic issues. I bet, however, that once past the Sea Lion threat, and a couple other obvious red herrings to be avoided, the Allies will gain the advantage quick enough. Maybe by turn 8-10 ...

In any case, I’m loving this game very much already. And I barely know how to play.

Hopefully we’ll play for many years.

You said, "take my time to fix" so I will double check everything and correct those mines that @beelee mentioned.

QUESTION: I note that Land Mines are NOT considered as counting towards builds in the rules.

On Page 39:
"The production of mines does not count towards the production capacity of the Industrial Complex – meaning that the Industrial Complex can produce other units in accordance with its capacity."

HENCE, if I understand correctly, the build limits for the UK in India of 20 IPU per turn is still correct - the mines built there DO NOT COUNT towards that 20 IPU limit... IS THIS CORRECT INTERPRETATION/UNDERSTANDING ?

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee

I figured out Changer. thanks

[JohnnyCat]

@trout

Attached is the corrected save file for UK Turn 3

104f0b47-e97c-438e-8757-c6cb9b3af6f8-exp-game-1-jc-USA_CHINA_UK_3.tsvg

I used "changer" to change the mines from unarmed junk to now fully armed land mines just waiting for the Japanese to simply walk around them making them useless, lol.

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Yea so the LMs still count towars Indias 20 PU income spending limit. What it means is that in other Capitals with Major Fctrys or AUS with it's Minor, they don't count against the placement "Limit" of 10.

So you can place 10 dudes, Tanks, Inf etc... and 10 LMs

Also, if you add future LMs to Burma/Yunnan border, the LM image will have moved to the left colum of Changer's units window. Idky triplea does it, but when you edit a unit in, it will generally appear to the left of where it was.

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee So what are all these top level things doing? What and where is Army Group Center? This Top LINE still confuses me... Is the Army Group Center tag just covered by that hoard of nasty Nazis?

And why bother with this misdirection anyway? This is a digital game - that one-chit-for-the-army stuff was originally for board games with limited real space. But this is a computer so why do this? I would rather see the units in the territory and not some mix of units and Army Group ID... seems rather confusing that.

In any case is there like 50 Nazi combat units in the Baltic? Hahahaha How did they get there? Is this game just heavily biased in the early turns? I really never looked at the German turn because I spent the past few turns just trying to figure out the basics.

Does that Greece Landing Craft muck up all the Russia reinforcements from the UK in the south? Speaking of which, IS there a way to reinforce Russia from the south? Can the UK send dudes to defend?

I am a bit stumped here now on what Russia is to do. I get all the basic strats... KGF or KJF... sure but that is just theory and I don't even see how the UK can get a fleet in place with all the U-boats, hahahaha.

Again I feel like I need some videos on how to do this. Oh and I checked things like ChatGPT or Google but all that is the board game and this Captain's Special Household Rules is nowhere to be found by me...

@beelee : I recall you mentioning some games that I could look at - but being so overwhelmed by all this I cannot seem to find out where those are. Maybe I could learn what to do by looking through those games?

Anyway I am just trying to get a clue and make this first game decent. Thanks.

Here is the picture of our game at German 4

[beelee]

@johnnycat

Hmm ... AG Center seems a bit cluttered. I'll punch it up and take a look.

Basically the Tokens are to represent what units are in the Armies/Corps/Army Groups. While there is overflow on the map, placements are still limited.

AGs are the ones that are the hardest to keep track of. The Corps and Armies not so much, so yoiu don't have to use the Tokens if you don't want to.

Personally I like them

Edit
Hmm ... not sure where you got that above shot. This is what I get from the above save

Edit 2
As you can see, I don't like to play with the Flags on. Trout and Panzer do. It's just a personal preference.

Also, you might want to try the lighter look by going to View

and turn on "Map Blends"

Edit 3
Here is my current game with Trout
EXP Game 8 Trout F 10.tsvg

and my last game with Panzer
exp-game-9-panzer-g-17-final.tsvg

Older saves you will have to change the map version, so will hold off on that so you don't get information overload.

Both of the above games techically ended sooner than what we did. We just decided to keep on playing for fun.

In the Panzer game, he left JPN vulnerable and I sunk his Fleet and took JPN. I don't remeber exactly what happened. Here is the Game thread https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/4176/exp-game-9-barnee-vs-panzer?page=1

and the current one with Trout https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/4226/exp-game-8-trout-vs-barnee

where he Sealioned me