EXP Game 1 Trout vs Johnny Cat
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Happy Saturday Gents, Attached is the updated map with Mongolian fixed
I know this allied neutrals thing can seem strange. But once I figured it out I totally got it - it's just not very intuitive.
I found it best to look at it like AN INFECTION. heehee
Until you touch it, it does not affect you. But once you send in one of your guys to touch them, they all become yours.
In this case I am still wondering what can happen next turn so hopefully @beelee could tell us more, but I am totally confident that the map shown is the ONLY way that @trout can start the process.
The big question seems to me to be how automatically does the transformation go in the future turns...
Anyway I will post my turn now and later today - USA and China and UK
PS I decremented the Mighty Japanese Bank 1 Banana since they did not get that Russian territory after all.
uh oh that edit did not take - I need to fix that file again... I will post it later today
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USA Turn 6 is complete - Before I can do China 6 we need to resolve the Mongolian decision
First I restored Mongolia to its original state.
And took 1 PU out of the Japan bank since no Russian territory was taken.
Japan Turn 6 you moved 1 Inf from Chahar to Suiyuyan and got 1 PU from China.
There was no non-combat move into Mongolia - because you were not aware of how that worked. To fix that, If you prefer, you could give up that 1 PU and that territory and move instead to Central Mongolia (during the Non Combat Phase) which then converts Mongolia to your ownership.
EDIT: keep in mind that you still need to touch each Mongolian territory during a non-combat move, converting any inf there to Japanese as you do it. It would take 1 jap inf one turn to touch an adjacent Mongolian thus turning it. Then the next Jap non-combat phase you would have two jap inf to move to try and nab the other Mongolians..
In any case - We need to resolve this before China can move their Turn 6
And WOW this is turning into a very interesting game. Still easily could go either way - though I still think the Axis have the edge.
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The game notes:
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The mongol TTys are activated individually
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Yea Mongols are correct now. Only thing that'd change is if he wanted to move the Chahar Inf into w/e Mongol TTy that is. He coulda done that or used a Mech from Jehol, so I'd just say F it and do China UK.
He can adjust with a Mech to Mongolia if needed
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@Trout Note that if you do move the Mech to Mongolia and it moves again next ncm, triplea will let it move 2. Can only move 1 when activating a Pro Neutral -
@beelee So here's what I understand and don't
- J attacks Amur in first two turns - Mongol territory and dudes fully Soviet without restriction (experts confirmed this in another game)
- R attacks Manchuria or Korea in first two turns - Mongols remain neutral (very clear in OOB rulebook)
- J attacks Amur after first two turns - IPC penalty. Mongolia remains neutral unless attacked. If attacked, then fully Soviet (may be wrong here based on what you guys are saying)
- R attacks J after first two turns - IPC penalty. Mongolia remains neutral unless attacked. If attacked, then fully J but you guys are saying that's definitely wrong.
So first question: Am I correct about the first two turns what happens?
Secondly, after first two turns is it not correct that Mongolia stays neutral unless attacked?
Thirdly, I don't see them just becoming pro-Axis if R attacks them outright anywhere in the rulebook. Was that a clarification from Captain or otherwise what am I missing? -
@johnnycat Hey JC. Yes, go forward with your China/UK turn. It's a learner's game and whatever I need to do to correct something can be worked out on my next R turn. I am pretty busy today and I still don't understand the Mongolia rules but asked Beelee for clarification
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Hi Trout
yea 1 and 2 are correct. In HRE starting RD 3 Mongolia is a Strict/True Neutral. An attack on it by either SSR or JPN will then activate all the other Neutrals to Pro whoever didn't attack Mongolia.
That is why triplea has a Politics option "DOW on the Mongolians and True Neutrals" for everyone except SSR.
So JPN can't attack Mongolia without DOW on all the Neutrals too.
In OOB, OutOFBox for cat, the original game rules not the mod, #1 happens and the Mongols turn Soviet.Then JPN can attack them without the need to DOW on all the Neutrals because they are Russian now.
Soviets DOW JPN and attack Manchuria or Korea. Mongols will not turn soviet. If however Soviets DOW on JPN and don't attack Manchuria or Korea and then JPN attacks Amur, the Mongols will flip to Russian control.
Pretty Fckd right ? Confused yet
For HRE if no DOW has happened the Mongols just turn True Neutral for rest of game.
I don't have it coded so SSR has to DOW on the True Neutrals the way all the other Countries do. It is coded OOB.
So when Cat attacked Mongolia triplea activated Mongolia as a Pro Axis Neutral which then allows JPN to move in in NCM and take control of the TTy same as Finland or Bulgaria.
I suggest just playing it out like that as it would fuck your game if all the Neutrals switch to Pro Axis as cat didn't know that rule.
In OOB Russian attack on Mongolia can be separate
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Bottom line is triplea does it correctly except the Russian attack on Mongolia turn 3 and on doesn't require a DOW on the Neutrals. It all works correctly for how the Mongols work by turning Pro Axis in that situation -
@trout ok
