EXP G40 Game 3 Trout vs JCat
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@johnnycat Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Russians Note to players Russians: It is Late 1942 and Our Factories have Begun Mass Tank Production ! You may now purchase 3 Tanks for 12 PUs. They can only be placed in Moscow. Trigger BuyMassTanks: buyMass_Tanks added to productionRussians Trigger Army ConscriptRemove: buyArmy_Conscript removed from productionRussians Trigger AlliesFtrAce: buyFighterAce added to productionRussians Russians buy 1 FighterAce, 3 Mass_Tankss, 1 Tank_General, 1 UndrgroundFctry, 2 artilleries, 1 elite, 3 guard_infantrys and 1 russian_para; Remaining resources: 20 PUs; 3 AirLendLease; 3 TankLendLease; Place Units - Russians Units in Russia being upgraded or consumed: 1 factory_major 1 UndrgroundFctry placed in Russia Combat Move - Russians Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRussians: Russians has 1 R_Europe_Rail and 2 Russian_Rails placed in Russia Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 1stSovietAG moved from Poland to 1st Army Group EDIT: 1 2ndCorps moved from 1st Army Group to 2nd Corps EDIT: 3 armour moved from 2nd Corps to Germany EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar moved from 2nd Corps to Germany EDIT: 1 1stTankArmy moved from 1st Army Group to 1st Tank EDIT: 5 armour moved from 1st Tank to Germany EDIT: 1 Tank_General3 moved from Overflow to Germany EDIT: 1 artillery moved from 1st Army Group to Germany EDIT: 9 infantry moved from 1st Army Group to Germany EDIT: 1 ArmyGroupActive moved from Poland to Germany 5 infantry moved from Poland to Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Germany 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland Russians take Finland from Germans 5 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia Russians take Northwest Persia from Italians 1 1stCorps moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia 2 guard_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia Combat - Russians Battle in Germany Russians attack with 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 Tank_General3, 9 armour, 1 artillery, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 aaGun, 1 elite, 1 factory_major and 15 infantry Russians captures 61PUs while taking Germans capital Russians converts factory_major into different units Russians win, taking Germany from Germans with 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 Tank_General3, 9 armour, 1 artillery, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 45 Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 aaGun, 1 elite and 15 infantry Trigger Remove All ItaliansParaBoost: has removed 1 italian_paraBoost owned by Italians in Persia Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 97 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 113 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Russians Trigger ItaliansParaBoost atPersia: Italians has 1 italian_paraBoost placed in Persia Trigger Wolfpack at97 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 97 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at113 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 113 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 R_Europe_Rail and 2 Russian_Rails owned by Russians in Eastern Poland 4 aaGuns moved from Poland to Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States 2 guard_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 elite moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 1 elite moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 2 armour moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 artillery moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 2 guard_infantrys moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar moved from Belarus to 3rd Corps EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar_3 moved from Overflow to Eastern Poland 3 Army_Conscripts moved from Bryansk to Belarus 1 aaGun moved from Caucasus to Volgograd 1 russian_para moved from Caucasus to Bryansk 1 Russian_Rail and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 1 Russian_Rail and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 1 R_Europe_Rail and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 2 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 9 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 armour moved from Urals to Smolensk Place Units - Russians 1 FighterAce, 3 Mass_Tankss, 1 Tank_General, 1 elite, 3 guard_infantrys and 1 russian_para placed in Russia 2 artilleries placed in Bryansk Trigger MassTanksPlace3: has removed 3 Mass_Tankss owned by Russians in Russia Trigger MassTanksPlace3: Russians has 3 armour placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 127 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 132 PUs Objective Russians 3 Berlin: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 142 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 151 PUs1a2984d1-5a6d-4989-a03e-0a6d64bb0734-trout-cat-game-3-r6.tsvg I believe the game is over. By rule, you have the rest of Turn 6 to counterattack and kick me out of Berlin so we can continue with that if you like. Doesn't look likely unless the dice go more than crazy in your favor. Also Soviets sitting at 150 for income now so would be very hard for Axis to overcome that even if you pull out a 1% chance of victory with the Berlin counter-attack.
So we are even now! You bamboozled me once and I suppose this counts as one also. Whenever that happens to me, it stings alot but I store it away in the memory banks so it doesn't happen again. Your call Senor J Cat. Continue on, start a new one, or take some time away to meditate.
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@trout wait what? Your 6 guys in Poland took Berlin?
If I thought that was even possible I would have put the 4 mines along that border and sent 3 fighters there.
Is this another case of super powers I do not know of?
I even mentioned this to you in my note last night.
So look I am not into winning and loosing through little tricks - and if my Operation Sea Lion was successful without being spoiled by another trick I could not has known, I would have banned it from future play and that is what I have done with the other guys I play.
I want to put time and thought into this game and get to turn 15 - 20 and learn all I can. So please explain these super powers and I will redo the turn. I'm actually surprised that you would not first tell me of the weakness. Like I said I saw the move but figured there was no way your 5 guys could take out 16
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@johnnycat Absolutely - no issues with your suggestions so yes please redo your G6. So I had six guys plus an entire Army Group (page 47 of the rulebook explains them). That Army Group contained one Tank Army/one Commissar Army/nine dudes/1 arty. So that was in addition to the six dudes. So all of that plus my TacB and a few other tanks/commissars constituted the wipeout. Yes, if you redo G6 and put together a really good defense, that should hold against the Army Group in Poland.
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@johnnycat Operation Sea Lion can be successful within the rules. I have one game against Panzer and one game against Beelee which you can look at where I won doing that. Just need to ensure that you have fighters in W. Germany that can scramble plus some 2/3 surface ships at least. UK only has a few air units and if they do a Taranto Raid, then they only have very few for Home Defense.
Do what you want with your friends but I think without those rules, it creates some imbalance where the Axis can too easily do a Sea Lion. For example, you could come really close to having a situation where UK cannot possibly do a Taranto Raid and prevent OSL at the same time.
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@trout Thanks - sounds like just cleaning up the non-com moves of G 6 should keep this thing going and interesting, thanks.
Oh and I looked into it again and still got a 8.5% chance at victory for Russia. I guess I just concluded that with such low odds you would not try - but then why not try right? I will be sure to keep that in mind in future situations.
I armed the 4 mines on the Berin/poland border and flew in the 3 fighters.
Thanks
PS. what is the Taranto Raid? is that the UK wiping out the Italy fleet?
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@johnnycat Yes
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@johnnycat Taranto Raid is the UK1 attack on SZ 97. It gets its name because Taranto was the WW2 naval base in S. Italy
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@trout OK cool
I am starting to build a list of more or less essential must do things for each team.
Russia 5 for example must be able to buy those 26 cheap conscripts
Germany should build elite and those super soldiers conversions but maybe avoid much of the special units in the early game
And UK has a bunch of things like India MUST get all 20 IPU every turn.I'll have to learn more about Italy next I think.
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@johnnycat I just looked at your file and it will still be a wipeout. Okay, here is what I can bring to bear on Berlin this turn.
- 14 infantry
- 1 artillery
- 9 tanks and one Tank General which will roll 14 dice attacking at a 3
- one inactive Commissar which will attack at a 2
- 1 Tac Bomber
- Two dicee rolls at 4 from the Army Group
So average 1st round hits that you will take are: 73/6 = 12.16 hits which would cut down almost all of your dudes. Your average 1st round hits are: 49/6 = 8.16 hits. Then second round will be:
65/6 = 10.83 hits which will wipe you out. You will counter with 27/6 = 4.5 hits which will not even kill all of my dudes. So not worth me doing the R6 unless you revise. -
@trout WOW I am complete missing things - how you get 14 infantry?
I sure. hate those upper boxes and having pieces sort of "hidden" under those markers. I'm not blaming you or anything I am just saying that part of the problem is that I don't see any units but I can learn that.
I just don't see how you have so many dudes.
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@trout Hmm so those infantry can move two! ok. I will redo that turn
I had asked earlier but can we stick to units on the map and not use those upper boxes? Or is there some reason for that?
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@johnnycat Copy/paste from above for what is in the Army Group
So I had six guys plus an entire Army Group (page 47 of the rulebook explains them). That Army Group contained one Tank Army/one Commissar Army/nine dudes/1 arty. So that was in addition to the six dudes. -
@trout how many guys are in Poland?
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And that commissar and stuff are here I thought
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@trout This is why I don't want to use that upper box thing - I get the idea of the group - so just include the marker - but having the pieces "sort of hidden" (hidden to me) is something I have not understood.
I can try but even now I only see those 5 tanks and tank general
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@trout I think the entire problem is this marker.
I do not see it anywhere in the boxes and thought it was the 1st tank thing
Are you telling me that ALL THOSE PIECES are in the marker? Well Holy Fk Me Senseless - that CHANGES EVERYTHING hahahahahaha
1st corps and 1st tank and 2nd corps are ALL THERE?
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@johnnycat Some free advice. Your six Hitler fanatics defend at a 4 and can't cross the seas into ME or Caucasus anyway since they fanatically love their Fatherland. They could all move back to Berlin, then you could RR two dudes from Normandy to Berlin and have the two mechs in Northern Italy rumble over to Berlin. That with moving the three fighters and putting ten land units purchased into Berlin plus moving some dudes back from GSG are all things you can do easily without effecting your push from Greece into ME which is your obvious primary strategy.
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@johnnycat 1st Tank, 2nd Corps plus 9 comrades and 1 arty are all in 1st AG. You can see it there in the 1st AG box
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@trout OK OK. thank you - I had no idea that those guys defended with 4!
I am stunned by the complexity of this game still.
But first things first I need to understand how many pieces are under that 1AG marker
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