VictoryFirst (Germany) vs. Kwas (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 5 (continuation)
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guess it doesn't work here lol
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 6
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 2 fighters moved from Karelia to Norway 2 fighters moved from Moscow to Norway 3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 3 artilleries moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom 3 artilleries moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom 2 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia Americans take Tunisia from Germans Combat - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from English Channel Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Danish Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - Americans 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 2 infantry placed in United States 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Yeah the only drawback is that there is no dice bot here. But we can ask the devs if they want to add a dice bot here. Shouldn't be that hard I think.
So you added an extra Russian fighter in the SBR against Leningrad so that if the AA scores a hit you can take the fighter as a casualty?
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correct!
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 7
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 7 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 17 armour, 6 artilleries and 26 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 5 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Iran to Iraq Germans take Iraq from Middle_East 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus Germans take Caucasus from Russians 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France 5 fighters moved from Germany to Vichy France 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from British Combat - Germans Battle in Belorussia Germans attack with 22 armour, 6 artilleries and 27 infantry Russians defend with 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 22 armour, 6 artilleries and 27 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 18/55 hits, 18.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 22 armour, 6 artilleries and 27 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Battle in Vichy France Germans attack with 5 fighters and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 5 fighters and 1 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Vichy France Germans win, taking Vichy France from British with 5 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 5 fighters moved from Vichy France to Germany 2 infantry moved from Poland to Germany 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Germany 1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 transport moved from Adriatic Sea Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 8 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -1.00 Germans regular : -0.17 British regular : -0.33 -
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 7 Purchase Units - British British buy 5 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 bomber and 15 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 4 fighters moved from Norway to Germany 5 transports moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 6 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 6 artilleries, 4 infantry and 5 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany 5 artilleries moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany 1 artillery moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany Combat - British Battle in Germany British attack with 1 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 21 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 4 armour, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 27 infantry Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 3 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 21 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 13/37 hits, 11.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 27 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 11/37 hits, 13.83 expected hits 11 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany 1 bomber owned by the Germans and 13 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany British roll dice for 1 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 10 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 10/26 hits, 9.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 5 fighters and 14 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 6/23 hits, 9.33 expected hits 6 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany 10 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany British roll dice for 1 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 4 infantry in Germany, round 4 : 8/20 hits, 7.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 5 fighters and 4 infantry in Germany, round 4 : 5/13 hits, 6.00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British and 4 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany 4 infantry owned by the Germans and 4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Germany British roll dice for 1 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Germany, round 5 : 6/15 hits, 6.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 5 fighters in Germany, round 5 : 4/5 hits, 3.33 expected hits 4 artilleries owned by the British lost in Germany 5 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Germany British captures 44PUs while taking Germans capital British win, taking Germany from Germans with 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 93 Casualties for British: 5 artilleries and 21 infantry Casualties for Germans: 4 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 27 infantry Non Combat Move - British 4 fighters moved from Germany to Norway 1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow Place Units - British 5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 36 PUs; end with 80 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans AA : -0.83 Germans regular : -6.50 British regular : 1.50 -
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 7
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 7 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 7 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 submarines moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United States to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya Americans take Libya from Germans 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Leningrad Russians take Leningrad from Germans 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Eastern France 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Baltic States Russians take Baltic States from Germans 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Poland Americans take Poland from Germans 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 3 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany 3 artilleries moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany Combat - Americans Battle in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 submarines and 2 transports Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 transports in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Americans win, taking British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber, 2 submarines and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans Trigger AlliedVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentAlliedVictorySwitch attached to Americans 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 artilleries moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom 4 fighters moved from Norway to Moscow 1 bomber moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 46 PUs; end with 53 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 1.67 Germans regular : -0.17 -
@VictoryFirst Good game! You rolled extremely poorly in that game!
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even though you rolled like -70 lol, I'd be curious to know if you have any takeaways from this game.
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Great game! I've never been so happy with a loss lol. I thought the Germans were unbeatable but apparently they can still lose. Even though the dice were unkind to them I still think I should have done my G1 on the Eastern Front better. You caught me off-guard with that bid in Bessarabia. My attacks were not optimal and I simply lost too many units the first two turns.
You had a text-book Allied victory - stacking up Moscow with enough fighters while also putting a lot of pressure on Berlin at the right moment - I think you found the correct balance this game. And you didn't make any mistakes. I think my mistakes were attacking the USA fleet on turn 1 as TGC pointed out and a suboptimal distribution of forces when attacking Russia on G1, which was capitalized by the dice. I think I was already screwed after turn 2.
Want to go again, same sides? The Bessarabia bid looks like it's the most challenging for the Germans
P.S. I suggest we use this website to serve as a replacement for dice bot https://www.pbegames.com/roller/
It's a really nice site, you can roll multiple sets of dice at the same time and add comments to each roll which is very handy when rolling these battles. But of course, we can also use the A&A dice bot if you prefer. -
And I also think for the Germans to lose, they need defeats in both theaters (Atlantic and Eastern Front). I think a massive defeat in one but a victory in the other is not enough. If the Germans get good dice on the EF, then Moscow is going to fall on G6, no matter what the Allies do. However if the Germans lose a bunch of units on the EF while the Allies are still struggling with the U-boats for several turns, then Germany will capture Moscow at a later point (G7, G8, etc.) At least that's what I felt after this game. Because of military setbacks in both theaters, the Germans weren't able to capture Moscow on G6 and were also immediately faced with a large Allied presence in the West and were forced to defend Berlin as well, which resulted in their defeat.
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@VictoryFirst Yes, I am down for a rematch.
I'll have my own notes on this game in a little bit.
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