TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4

ubernaut

@Nothingtoseehere about to jump on a work call for a few hours but going to lobby rn

Nothingtoseehere

Round: 14

    Research Technology - Italy
            Italy roll 11,8,9,7,11,12,1,4,9,10,5,2,7,10,5,5,6,8 and gets 1 hit
        Italy removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Italy discover ImprovedMechanization

    Combat Move - Italy
        Trigger italianTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to italianTank
        Trigger italianHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to italianHeavyTank
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Trigger italianMecht4: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Trigger italianTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to italianTank
        Trigger italianHvyTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to italianHeavyTank
        1 italianInfantry moved from Sicily to 48 Sea Zone
        1 italianInfantry moved from Cyrenaica to 48 Sea Zone
        2 italianBattleships, 1 italianDestroyer, 2 italianInfantrys and 1 italianTransport moved from 48 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from Northern Italy to 53 Sea Zone
        1 italianInfantry moved from Sardinia to 46 Sea Zone
        1 italianInfantry moved from Southern Italy to 46 Sea Zone
        1 italianDestroyer moved from 47 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 italianDestroyer, 2 italianInfantrys and 1 italianTransport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 italianBattleship and 1 italianCruiser moved from 48 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        2 italianNavalFighters moved from Northern Italy to 43 Sea Zone
        2 italianInfantrys moved from 53 Sea Zone to Trans Jordan
        2 italianInfantrys moved from 43 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 italianCombatEngineer, 2 italianInfantrys, 1 italianMech.Infantry and 2 italianTanks moved from Orel Kursk to Voronezh

    Combat - Italy
        Battle in Voronezh
            Italy attack with 1 italianCombatEngineer, 2 italianInfantrys, 1 italianMech.Infantry and 2 italianTanks
            Russia defend with 1 Flagpole and 1 russianInfantry
                Italy roll dice for 1 italianCombatEngineer, 2 italianInfantrys, 1 italianMech.Infantry and 2 italianTanks in Voronezh, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 1 russianInfantry in Voronezh, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                Italy roll dice for 1 italianCombatEngineer, 2 italianInfantrys, 1 italianMech.Infantry and 2 italianTanks in Voronezh, round 3 : 1/6 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 1 russianInfantry in Voronezh, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                1 russianInfantry owned by the Russia lost in Voronezh
            Italy win, taking Voronezh from Russia with 1 italianCombatEngineer, 2 italianInfantrys, 1 italianMech.Infantry and 2 italianTanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russia: 1 russianInfantry
        Battle in Trans Jordan
            Italy attack with 2 italianInfantrys
            Britain defend with 1 Flagpole, 1 Truck, 1 britishAirfield, 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys, 2 britishInfantrys and 2 britishNavalFighters
                Italy roll dice for 2 italianBattleships in Trans Jordan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italy roll dice for 2 italianInfantrys in Trans Jordan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys, 2 britishInfantrys and 2 britishNavalFighters in Trans Jordan, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                2 italianInfantrys owned by the Italy lost in Trans Jordan
                1 britishInfantry owned by the Britain lost in Trans Jordan
            Britain win with 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys, 1 britishInfantry and 2 britishNavalFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Italy: 2 italianInfantrys
            Casualties for Britain: 1 britishInfantry
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Italy attack with 2 italianInfantrys
            Usa defend with 1 americanAntiAirGun and 4 americanInfantrys; Britain defend with 1 Flagpole, 2 britishAirfields, 2 britishAlpineInfantrys, 1 britishAntiAirGun, 3 britishArtillerys, 2 britishCombatEngineers, 1 britishDocks, 1 britishEntrenchment, 1 britishFortification, 2 britishInfantrys, 1 britishMech.Infantry and 3 britishNavalFighters
                Italy roll dice for 1 italianBattleship and 1 italianCruiser in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,08 expected hits
                Italy roll dice for 2 italianInfantrys in Gibraltar, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 americanAntiAirGun, 4 americanInfantrys, 2 britishAlpineInfantrys, 1 britishAntiAirGun, 3 britishArtillerys, 2 britishCombatEngineers, 1 britishEntrenchment, 1 britishFortification, 2 britishInfantrys, 1 britishMech.Infantry and 3 britishNavalFighters in Gibraltar, round 2 : 9/21 hits, 9,42 expected hits
                2 italianInfantrys owned by the Italy lost in Gibraltar
                1 americanInfantry owned by the Usa lost in Gibraltar
            Britain win with 1 americanAntiAirGun, 3 americanInfantrys, 2 britishAlpineInfantrys, 1 britishAntiAirGun, 3 britishArtillerys, 2 britishCombatEngineers, 1 britishEntrenchment, 1 britishFortification, 2 britishInfantrys, 1 britishMech.Infantry and 3 britishNavalFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Italy: 2 italianInfantrys
            Casualties for Usa: 1 americanInfantry

    Non Combat Move - Italy
        Trigger italianMecht1: Setting isLandTransport to true for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Trigger IncomeRegulationEA2: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachmentYesEA attached to ExiledAllies
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra2: Setting isInfrastructure to true for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra2: Setting attack to 0 for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianAirtraninfra2: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy to FROM:Italy for unitAttachment attached to italianAirTransport
        Trigger italianMecht2: Setting isLandTransport to false for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Trigger italianProd: Italy has 1 Material placed in Rome
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to Southern Spain
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from 53 Sea Zone to Crete
        1 italianCombatEngineer and 2 italianMech.Infantrys moved from Orel Kursk to Leningrad
        1 italianArtillery moved from Eastern Karelia to Leningrad
        1 italianAirTransport moved from Sicily to Kharkov
        1 Material and 1 Truck moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 Material and 1 Truck moved from Rome to Northern Italy
        1 Truck and 1 italianInfantry moved from Northern Italy to Northern Spain
        1 Train and 2 italianInfantrys moved from Northern Italy to Greece
        1 Train moved from Greece to Northern Yugoslavia
        1 italianInfantry moved from Rome to 46 Sea Zone
        1 italianAlpineInfantry moved from Southern Italy to 46 Sea Zone
        1 italianAlpineInfantry, 1 italianInfantry and 1 italianTransport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 italianAlpineInfantry and 1 italianInfantry moved from 50 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from Sicily to Greece
        1 italianNavalFighter moved from Sicily to Cyrenaica
        1 italianArtillery and 1 italianMech.Infantry moved from Algeria to Cyrenaica
        1 italianCombatEngineer moved from Rome to Northern Italy
        1 Truck moved from Northern Italy to Rome
        1 italianTacticalBomber moved from Southern Ukraine to Greece
        1 Truck and 1 italianAntiAirGun moved from Cyrenaica to Tobruk
        1 Truck moved from Tobruk to Cyrenaica
        3 italianAlpineInfantrys, 4 italianArtillerys, 2 italianCombatEngineers and 1 italianInfantry moved from Cyrenaica to Tobruk

    Purchase Units - Italy
        Italy buy 1 ResearchCenter, 1 italianCombatEngineer, 1 italianDestroyer, 3 italianInfantrys, 1 italianParatrooper and 1 italianTransport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Place Units - Italy
        Units in Northern Italy being upgraded or consumed: 2 Materials
        1 ResearchCenter placed in Northern Italy
        1 italianTransport placed in 50 Sea Zone
        1 italianDestroyer placed in 46 Sea Zone
        2 italianInfantrys and 1 italianParatrooper placed in Sicily
        1 italianCombatEngineer and 1 italianInfantry placed in Rome

    Activate Technology - Italy
        Italy activating ImprovedMechanization
        Trigger italianImpMech: Setting defense to 4 for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Trigger italianImpMech: Setting receivesAbilityWhenWith to canBlitz:italianTank for unitAttachment attached to italianMech.Infantry
        Italy giving technology to Germany: ImprovedMechanization

    Turn Complete - Italy
        Italy collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs
        Trigger italianIP: Italy met a national objective for an additional 3 Optional[PUs]; end with 35 Optional[PUs]
        Units generate 9 techTokens; Italy end with 9 techTokens

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italy regular : -3,92
Russia regular : -0,50
Britain regular : 1,25

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ubernaut

@Nothingtoseehere .tsvg time

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japan regular : -0.42
Usa regular : 0.83

malmessi

Hi, here again with a new question.
I attacked Berlin having one air trasp only, no other units and no def struct.
I attacked with a naval fighter and I expected to play a battle with germany defending with zero (auto win)

Question 1 Why TripleA triggered no battle ?
Question 2 My opponent says that in case of battle german fig in adjacent territories could scramble but... Whane I attack a structure defending with zero such a rail or a barrack, no scramble should trigger so...

My opponent says that maybe air trasp dies only if I conquer but on the other hand... when air trasp is involved in an attack PlayerEnforcedRule says it mut die as last casualty and I thought that being air trasp the only units in Berlin... the german air trasp dying as last casualty would die immediately.

Nothingtoseehere

@ubernaut
Game History

Round: 14

    Combat Move - Turkey
        1 turkishInfantry moved from Turkey to Syria
              VichyFrance take Syria from ExiledAllies

    Combat - Turkey

    Non Combat Move - Turkey
        1 Truck, 1 turkishAntiAirGun and 1 turkishInfantry moved from Turkey to Eastern Turkey
        1 Truck moved from Eastern Turkey to Turkey
        2 turkishInfantrys moved from Sicily to 50 Sea Zone

    Purchase Units - Turkey
        Turkey buy 3 turkishInfantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Place Units - Turkey
        3 turkishInfantrys placed in Turkey

    Turn Complete - Turkey
        Turkey collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

finished

Nothingtoseehere

@ubernaut A fewbattles with scramble and OOL decisions .

Nothingtoseehere

@malmessi said:

Hi, here again with a new question.
I attacked Berlin having one air trasp only, no other units and no def struct.
I attacked with a naval fighter and I expected to play a battle with germany defending with zero (auto win)

Question 1 Why TripleA triggered no battle ?
Question 2 My opponent says that in case of battle german fig in adjacent territories could scramble but... Whane I attack a structure defending with zero such a rail or a barrack, no scramble should trigger so...

My opponent says that maybe air trasp dies only if I conquer but on the other hand... when air trasp is involved in an attack PlayerEnforcedRule says it mut die as last casualty and I thought that being air trasp the only units in Berlin... the german air trasp dying as last casualty would die immediately.

Can you clarify a few things? So I'm guessing you attacked with a Air transport with a Paratrooper, because without one you shouldn't get Berlin. Is that correct?
The engine is kind of stupid about Paradrops (and maybe also amphibious assaults) against no defenders. If there are scrambling airfileds and planes in a neighbouring territory, the engine offers to scramble them before combats but then the territory changes owners, and no battle takes place in the combat phase. So the player-enforced rule and what the engine decides to do agree that there should not be a battle if there are no defenders before the attacker moves in. So that makes your/your friend's second question irrelevant.

malmessi

@Nothingtoseehere

No, I attacked with a Us naval fighter in Berlin
In Berlin only one german air trasp was present and I expected to win because air trasp was defending with zero...
Did not want to conquer, my opponent is not so kind, just wanted to kill the air trasp...

Nothingtoseehere

@malmessi Ok sorry, I don't know about that scenario. But I suppose that if the engine doesn't start a combat, then there shouldn't be one.

ubernaut

@Nothingtoseehere yo

ubernaut

@malmessi can you share the combat move or before combat autosave?

ubernaut

@Nothingtoseehere we’ll have to do it later im gonna be tied up for the next few hours

Nothingtoseehere

Nothingtoseehere said:

@ubernaut A fewbattles with scramble and OOL decisions .

This links to the save file at the end of cm. I'm available for now.

ubernaut

@Nothingtoseehere im around now did you change anything?

Nothingtoseehere

@ubernaut No

ubernaut

@panther we had an odd situation i believe i/we made the right call but just wanted to double check with you

in the first version of this battle ( the transjordan one) @Nothingtoseehere made a retreat with his paratroopers to syria. i declared that an illegal retreat since there were no ground forces in the battle to retreat with other than his amphibious assault inf. that's correct yeah? bc the engine allowed it.

another odd thing about this battle the engine seems to allow his transport unloading an amphibious assault to retreat from sz 53 to sz 72 (the red sea) even though that path is not crossable for his side since i hold the canal