TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4
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@ubernaut: I noticed that transports don't seem to be giving negative support to subs. At least when I look at the power in the Battle Calculator and add subs above 2 times non-transport-surface ships, defense power goes up regardless of transports.
I looked into the section of the XML dealing with the Mixed fleet penalty and can't see a difference between transports and non-transports -
@ubernaut It looks even weirder when I also look at improved subs tech. Just looked at American and German fleets and added and removed subs, non-transport-ships, and transports, and after a bit of fiddling, it looks like every surface ship can reduce only the combat value of a sub by up to 2 but if you have more subs than surface ships even nonimproved subs add 1 defense for every sub exceeding the number of surface ships. same happens with improved subs but you get 2 defense for every surplus sub.
What confused me about transports nontransports is that it looks especially weird in the battle calc when you have more nonimproved subs than surface ships and then add transports because until you surpass surface ships defense power stays the same because transports add 1 defense but the negative support reduces the defense of 1 sub by one.
As I understand the 3.x descriptions this isn't how it's supossed to work. surface ships should reduce up to 2 times their number of nonimproved subs. I know at the start there was a bug that made subs hit even if they are accompanied by surface ships in defense. But that's been taken care of. I didn't test if it's just a battle calc display problem or if subs actually would shoot if they are more numerous than surface ships in an actuall battle. -
@nothingtoseehere yeah that bug was fixed i noticed it like a game or two ago figured you already knew abt it
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germany round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Germany Germany roll 1,9,9,1,10,1,10,7,9,4,3,8 and gets 0 hits Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry 2 germanSubmarines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 24 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Norway to Central Norway Germany take Central Norway from ExiledAllies 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Northern Germany to Murmansk 1 germanAlpineInfantry moved from Northern Finland to Murmansk 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Finland to Murmansk 1 germanFighter and 1 germanInfantry moved from Southern Ukraine to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanInfantry moved from Kharkov to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Belorussia to Smolensk 1 germanInfantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanTank moved from Kharkov to Smolensk 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Poland to SmolenskCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@ubernaut: I think I looked at it enough to at least do the battles now.
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@nothingtoseehere im traveling rn idk if we can play till i get back
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@ubernaut Oh then I might rethink my move.
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@nothingtoseehere no worries
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@nothingtoseehere hey i’m back now fyi
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@ubernaut: Still up for some battles? I'm probably not available in the afternoon.
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@nothingtoseehere i didnt see it until i got up go ahead and post ur move whenever
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@ubernaut : it's this post:
@nothingtoseehere said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germany round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Germany Germany roll 1,9,9,1,10,1,10,7,9,4,3,8 and gets 0 hits Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry 2 germanSubmarines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 24 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Norway to Central Norway Germany take Central Norway from ExiledAllies 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Northern Germany to Murmansk 1 germanAlpineInfantry moved from Northern Finland to Murmansk 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Finland to Murmansk 1 germanFighter and 1 germanInfantry moved from Southern Ukraine to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanInfantry moved from Kharkov to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Belorussia to Smolensk 1 germanInfantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanTank moved from Kharkov to Smolensk 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Poland to SmolenskCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@nothingtoseehere oh ok i thot u wer saying u might change it a bit busy atm but i can prolly do it in a bit will get back to u asap
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@nothingtoseehere hey there around now if ur still up
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@ubernaut Yeah I'm up.
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@nothingtoseehere cool going to lobby rn
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TripleA Turn Summary: Finland round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 4 Reconnaissance Missions - Finland Finland collect 0 PUs; end with 8 PUs Reinforcing - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 0 PUs; end with 13 PUs Counter Intelligence Operations - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 0 PUs; end with 17 PUs Research Technology - Germany Germany roll 1,9,9,1,10,1,10,7,9,4,3,8 and gets 0 hits Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanMecht4: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanHvyTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanTank 2 germanSubmarines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 24 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Norway to Central Norway Germany take Central Norway from ExiledAllies 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Northern Germany to Murmansk 1 germanAlpineInfantry moved from Northern Finland to Murmansk 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Finland to Murmansk 1 germanFighter and 1 germanInfantry moved from Southern Ukraine to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanInfantry moved from Kharkov to Eastern Ukraine 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Belorussia to Smolensk 1 germanInfantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanTank moved from Kharkov to Smolensk 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Poland to Smolensk Combat - Germany Battle in 41 Sea Zone Germany attack with 2 germanSubmarines Usa defend with 1 americanBattleship and 1 americanTransport; Britain defend with 1 britishCruiser, 3 britishDestroyers and 2 britishTransports 2 germanSubmarines owned by the Germany submerged Battle in Eastern Ukraine Germany attack with 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanFighter and 2 germanInfantrys Russia defend with 1 Flagpole and 2 russianInfantrys Germany roll dice for 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanFighter and 2 germanInfantrys in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Russia roll dice for 2 russianInfantrys in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,50 expected hits 2 russianInfantrys owned by the Russia lost in Eastern Ukraine Germany winBritain winBritain win with 1 americanBattleship, 1 americanTransport, 1 britishCruiser, 3 britishDestroyers and 2 britishTransports remaining with 1 americanBattleship, 1 americanTransport, 1 britishCruiser, 3 britishDestroyers and 2 britishTransports remaining, taking Eastern Ukraine from Russia with 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanFighter and 2 germanInfantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russia: 2 russianInfantrys Battle in Murmansk Germany attack with 1 germanAlpineInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanStrategicBomber Russia defend with 1 Flagpole, 1 Rail, 1 russianDocks and 1 russianEntrenchment Germany roll dice for 1 germanAlpineInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanStrategicBomber in Murmansk, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,58 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianEntrenchment in Murmansk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 germanAlpineInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanStrategicBomber in Murmansk, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,58 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianEntrenchment in Murmansk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 russianEntrenchment owned by the Russia lost in Murmansk Some non-combat units are destroyed: Germany win, taking Murmansk from Russia with 1 germanAlpineInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanStrategicBomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russia: 1 russianEntrenchment Battle in Smolensk Germany attack with 1 germanInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanStrategicBomber, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTank Russia defend with 1 Flagpole and 2 russianInfantrys Germany roll dice for 1 germanInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanStrategicBomber, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTank in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1,75 expected hits Russia roll dice for 2 russianInfantrys in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 russianInfantry owned by the Russia lost in Smolensk Germany roll dice for 1 germanInfantry, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanStrategicBomber, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTank in Smolensk, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1,75 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianInfantry in Smolensk, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits 1 germanInfantry owned by the Germany lost in Smolensk 1 russianInfantry owned by the Russia lost in Smolensk Germany win, taking Smolensk from Russia with 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanStrategicBomber, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russia: 2 russianInfantrys Casualties for Germany: 1 germanInfantry Non Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanMecht1: Setting isLandTransport to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger IncomeRegulationVichy1: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentYesVichy attached to VichyFrance Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting isInfrastructure to true for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting attack to 0 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy to FROM:Germany for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanMecht2: Setting isLandTransport to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Ukraine to Turkey 1 germanFighter moved from Low Countries to Southern Spain 1 Train and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Romania to Kharkov 2 Trucks and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Romania to Kharkov 1 germanInfantry moved from Western Ukraine to Southern Ukraine 1 germanInfantry moved from Western Ukraine to Kharkov 1 germanStrategicBomber and 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Smolensk to Kharkov 1 Train moved from Kharkov to Romania 1 germanArtillery moved from Algeria to Morrocco 1 germanSubmarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 61 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanFighter moved from Morrocco to Algeria 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanParatrooper and 2 germanTanks moved from Al Kufrah to Cyrenaica 1 germanAirTransport moved from Kharkov to Cyrenaica 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanParatrooper moved from Cyrenaica to 48 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanParatrooper and 1 germanTransport moved from 48 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanParatrooper moved from 43 Sea Zone to Southern Spain 1 germanFighter moved from Denmark to Belorussia 1 germanStrategicBomber moved from Murmansk to Eastern Finland 1 germanInfantry moved from Finland to Eastern Finland 1 germanBattleship and 1 germanSubmarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Denmark to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanParatrooper moved from Norway to 25 Sea Zone 2 germanAntiAirGuns moved from Northern Germany to 25 Sea Zone 2 germanAntiAirGuns, 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanParatrooper moved from 25 Sea Zone to Low Countries 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern Germany to Low Countries 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanMarine moved from Northern Germany to Low Countries 1 germanAntiTankGun and 1 germanArtillery moved from Northern France to Low Countries 2 germanInfantrys moved from Vichy France to Western France 2 germanArtillerys and 5 germanInfantrys moved from Lativa Estonia to Pskov 1 germanMarine moved from Lithuania to Lativa Estonia 1 germanCombatEngineer and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Belorussia 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Norway to Northern Germany 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Belorussia to Orel Kursk 1 germanAntiAirGun and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Orel Kursk to Pskov 2 germanAntiAirGuns and 2 germanMech.Infantrys moved from Belorussia to Pskov 1 germanTransport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanInfantry moved from Morrocco to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanInfantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Southern Spain 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Southern Spain to Northern Spain 1 germanAlpineInfantry moved from Romania to Western Ukraine 1 Truck, 3 germanInfantrys and 2 germanMech.Infantrys moved from Kharkov to Pskov 1 germanInfantry moved from Paris to Western France 1 Train moved from Southern Spain to Northern France 1 Train and 2 germanAntiAirGuns moved from Northern France to Western France 1 Train moved from Western France to Vichy France 2 Materials and 1 Train moved from Vichy France to Kharkov 2 Trucks moved from Eastern Finland to Finland 2 germanInfantrys moved from Eastern Finland to Northern Finland 1 Truck moved from Lativa Estonia to Poland 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Germany to Poland 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Germany to Northern Germany 1 Truck moved from Morrocco to Algeria 3 germanTanks moved from Belorussia to Kharkov 2 germanArtillerys, 1 germanCombatEngineer, 2 germanInfantrys, 2 germanMech.Infantrys and 2 germanTanks moved from Belorussia to Pskov Purchase Units - Germany Germany buy 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanBarracks, 1 germanCombatEngineer, 2 germanDestroyers, 1 germanFighter, 2 germanMech.Infantrys, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTransport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 12 techTokens; Place Units - Germany 2 germanDestroyers and 1 germanTransport placed in 25 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer placed in Northern Germany Units in Kharkov being upgraded or consumed: 2 Materials 1 germanBarracks placed in Kharkov 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanMech.Infantry placed in Belorussia 1 germanMech.Infantry placed in Western Germany 1 germanFighter and 1 germanTacticalBomber placed in Eastern Germany Turn Complete - Germany Germany collect 68 PUs; end with 68 PUs Units generate 6 techTokens; Germany end with 18 techTokens Units Change Ownership Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Morrocco change ownership: 2 germanCombatEngineers and 2 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchments Purchase Units - VichyFrance Trigger VichyMaterial: 1 Material gained by PlayerId named:VichyFrance VichyFrance buy 2 germanArtillerys, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Place Units - VichyFrance 2 germanArtillerys placed in Algeria VichyFrance undo move 1. 1 Material and 1 germanArtillery placed in Algeria 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry placed in Vichy France Turn Complete - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 13 PUs; end with 15 PUs Objective Algeria: VichyFrance met a national objective for an additional -2 PUs; end with 13 PUs Objective Morrocco: VichyFrance met a national objective for an additional -2 PUs; end with 11 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Algeria change ownership: 1 Material and 1 germanArtillery Some Units in Morrocco change ownership: 2 germanCombatEngineers and 2 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Vichy France change ownership: 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry Purchase Units - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis buy 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanTransport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Place Units - DanubeAxis 1 germanTransport placed in 55 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys placed in Romania Turn Complete - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in 55 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 germanTransport Some Units in Romania change ownership: 2 germanInfantrys Purchase Units - Finland Finland buy 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanMech.Infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Place Units - Finland 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanMech.Infantry placed in Finland Turn Complete - Finland Finland collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Finland change ownership: 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanMech.Infantry Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchmentsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germany regular : 0,33 Russia regular : -1,25 -
@ubernaut :russia: is up
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@ubernaut: Did you see this?
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@nothingtoseehere yeah only had little bitof time to look at it so far i messed up my foot traveling back so that has been slowing me down bit
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