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    VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0

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      The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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      @victoryfirst said in VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0:

      Net Pieces / TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 2
      After G2
      Eastern Front: +0.47 / -13.92 / -5
      Atlantic/WA: +0.8 / +13.45 / +80
      Total: +1.27 / -0.47 / +75

      I am actually glad the Germans got badly beaten the White Sea because now the TUV differential is almost 0. Now let's see how close the Moscow odds will be to 50%...

      That's fair - but holy moly - sorry about your fighters man. That's nuts.

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        The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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        @victoryfirst right I agree - if the dice stay steady and we made good adjustments and we play well - lets hope we see something like 50/50 end game...

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          The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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          @victoryfirst

          Game History

          Round: 2
          
              Purchase Units - British
                  British buy 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
          
              Combat Move - British
                  1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                  1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                  1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
                  1 armour moved from Egypt to Tunisia
                  1 infantry moved from Libya to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                  1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Tunisia
                  1 destroyer moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                  1 fighter moved from Egypt to Tunisia
                  1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
          
              Combat - British
                  Battle in British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
                      British attack with 1 fighter
                      Germans defend with 1 transport
                          British roll dice for 1 fighter in British Convoy 3 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 transport in British Convoy 3 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                          1 transport owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
                      British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                      Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
                  Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                      British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                      Germans defend with 1 submarine
                          British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                      British win, taking U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                      Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                      Turning on Edit Mode
                      EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                      EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                  Battle in Tunisia
                      British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                      Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                          British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                          British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tunisia
                          1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                          British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 4 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Tunisia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                          1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                          British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 5 : 0/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Tunisia, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tunisia
                          British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 6 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                          Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Tunisia, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                          1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tunisia
                          1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Tunisia
                      British win, taking Tunisia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                      Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                      Casualties for British: 3 infantry
          
              Non Combat Move - British
                  1 fighter moved from Tunisia to Egypt
                  2 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
                  1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
                  1 fighter moved from Leningrad to United Kingdom
                  1 fighter moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                  1 bomber moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
          
              Place Units - British
                  1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in Atlantic Sea Zone
          
              Turn Complete - British
                  British collect 11 PUs; end with 12 PUs
          

          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

          Germans regular : -1.50
          British regular : -5.50
          
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            The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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            @victoryfirst

            Game History

            Round: 2
            
                Purchase Units - Americans
                    Americans buy 3 artilleries, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
            
                Combat Move - Americans
                    1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                    1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
            
                Combat - Americans
                    Battle in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                        Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                        Germans defend with 1 battleship
                            Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                            Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                        Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                            Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                            1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                            Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                            Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                            1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                        Americans win, taking British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                        Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                        Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                    Battle in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                        Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                        Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                            Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                            Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                            1 transport owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                            Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                            Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                            1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                            1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                        Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                        Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                        Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            
                Non Combat Move - Americans
                    1 bomber moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            
                Place Units - Americans
                    3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in United States
                    1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            
                Turn Complete - Americans
                    Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 41 PUs
            

            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

            Americans regular : 0.33
            Germans regular : 0.67
            

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              Net Pieces / TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 2
              After Allied2
              Eastern Front: +0.14 / -15.17 / -8
              Atlantic/WA: +1.91 / +11.45 / +64
              Africa: +0.85 / +0.9 / -6
              Total: +2.9 / -3.72 / +50

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                TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

                TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                Game History

                Round: 3
                
                    Purchase Units - Germans
                        Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 
                
                    Combat Move - Germans
                        1 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R.
                              Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians
                        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
                              Germans take East Poland from Russians
                        1 armour moved from Poland to Baltic States
                              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
                        1 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
                        11 armour, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                        4 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
                        1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                              Germans take U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Americans
                        1 bomber moved from Germany to Karelia
                        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                
                    Combat - Germans
                        Battle in Karelia
                            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                            Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                
                    Non Combat Move - Germans
                        1 bomber moved from Karelia to Germany
                        1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
                        1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland
                        2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                        2 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
                        2 fighters moved from Hungary to Germany
                
                    Place Units - Germans
                        8 armour placed in Germany
                
                    Turn Complete - Germans
                        Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 46 PUs
                

                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                Russians regular : -0,33
                Germans regular : 0,17
                

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                  The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                  @victoryfirst

                  Game History

                  Round: 3
                  
                      Purchase Units - Russians
                          Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                  
                      Combat Move - Russians
                          2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
                          1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
                          1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                          1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Karelia
                          1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
                                Russians take Baltic States from Germans
                  
                      Combat - Russians
                          Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                              Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                              Germans defend with 1 infantry
                                  Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                                  Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                  Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                                  Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                  1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                                  1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                              Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                              Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                              Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                          Battle in Karelia
                              Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                              Germans defend with 1 infantry
                                  Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                                  Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                  Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                                  Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                  1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                              Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                              Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                  
                      Non Combat Move - Russians
                          1 bomber moved from Karelia to Belorussia
                          4 armour and 16 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
                          1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Karelia
                          1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia
                          1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
                  
                      Place Units - Russians
                          6 infantry placed in Leningrad
                  
                      Turn Complete - Russians
                          Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 21 PUs
                  

                  Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                  Germans regular : -0.33
                  Russians regular : -1.33
                  
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                    The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
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                    @victoryfirst

                    Game History

                    Round: 3
                    
                        Purchase Units - British
                            British buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                    
                        Combat Move - British
                            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
                            1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Barents Sea Sea Zone
                            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Finland
                            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Finland
                            1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone
                                  British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans
                            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Morocco
                                  British take Algeria from Germans
                                  British take Morocco from Germans
                            1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                            1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                            1 artillery moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Greece
                                  British take Greece from Germans
                    
                        Combat - British
                            Battle in Finland
                                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
                                Germans defend with 5 infantry
                                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Finland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                    British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                                    Germans roll dice for 5 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                                    3 infantry owned by the British lost in Finland
                                    5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                                British win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                Casualties for British: 3 infantry
                                Casualties for Germans: 5 infantry
                    
                        Non Combat Move - British
                            1 bomber moved from Finland to Belorussia
                            2 fighters moved from Finland to Karelia
                    
                        Place Units - British
                            1 transport placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                    
                        Turn Complete - British
                            British collect 23 PUs; end with 27 PUs
                    

                    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                    Germans regular : 1.33
                    British regular : 2.00
                    
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                      The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
                      last edited by

                      @victoryfirst

                      Game History

                      Round: 3
                      
                          Purchase Units - Americans
                              Americans buy 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 
                      
                          Combat Move - Americans
                              Turning on Edit Mode
                              EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Caucasus: 2 infantry
                              EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Turkestan: 2 infantry
                              EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Iran: 1 infantry
                              EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 infantry
                              EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 fighter
                              EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Egypt: 1 fighter
                              EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                              1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
                                    British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans
                              1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                              1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                      
                          Combat - Americans
                              Battle in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                                  Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                                  Germans defend with 1 submarine
                                      Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                      Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                      Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                      Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                      1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                                  Americans win, taking U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                                  Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                      
                          Non Combat Move - Americans
                              Turning on Edit Mode
                              EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                              EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                              1 bomber moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                              1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
                              2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                              2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                              2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                      
                          Place Units - Americans
                              2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in United States
                              3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                      
                          Turn Complete - Americans
                              Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 43 PUs
                      

                      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                      Americans regular : -1.33
                      Germans regular : -0.67
                      

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                        VictoryFirst
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                        TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

                        TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                        Game History

                        Round: 4
                        
                            Purchase Units - Germans
                                Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                        
                            Combat Move - Germans
                                1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                1 bomber moved from Germany to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                                4 fighters moved from Germany to Baltic States
                        
                            Combat - Germans
                                Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                    Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                                    British defend with 1 transport; Americans defend with 2 transports
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        1 transport owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                        Americans roll dice for 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                        Americans roll dice for 1 transport in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                                        1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                    Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
                                    Casualties for British: 1 transport
                                    Casualties for Americans: 2 transports
                                Battle in Baltic States
                                    Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 infantry
                                    Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                        Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                                        Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                                    Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                        
                            Non Combat Move - Germans
                                1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
                                1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
                                8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                                3 fighters moved from Baltic States to Germany
                                3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Austria
                                1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Germany
                                2 submarines moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
                        
                            Place Units - Germans
                                9 armour placed in Germany
                        
                            Turn Complete - Germans
                                Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs
                        

                        Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                        Americans regular : -0,50
                        Russians regular : -0,33
                        Germans regular : 1,83
                        

                        Savegame

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                          The_Good_Captain @VictoryFirst
                          last edited by

                          @victoryfirst

                          Game History

                          Round: 4
                          
                              Purchase Units - British
                                  British buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                          
                              Combat Move - British
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Leningrad: 1 fighter
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 1 fighter
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  Turning on Edit Mode
                                  EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Leningrad: 1 fighter
                                  EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Leningrad: 1 fighter
                                  EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                  1 artillery moved from Greece to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Southern Italy
                                        British take Southern Italy from Germans
                                  1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia
                                  1 artillery moved from Finland to Norway
                                        British take Norway from Germans
                                  1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                  1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                          
                              Combat - British
                                  Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                      British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                                      Germans defend with 1 submarine
                                          British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                                          Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                          1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                      British win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                                      Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                          
                              Non Combat Move - British
                                  1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                                  1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                  1 transport moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
                                  1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Karelia
                                  2 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                  1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
                          
                              Place Units - British
                                  2 transports placed in Atlantic Sea Zone
                                  1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                          
                              Turn Complete - British
                                  British collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs
                          

                          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                          Germans regular : -0.33
                          British regular : -0.17
                          
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                            @victoryfirst

                            Game History

                            Round: 4
                            
                                Purchase Units - Americans
                                    Americans buy 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                            
                                Combat Move - Americans
                                    1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                                          British take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans
                                    3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                    3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                    3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                                    1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
                                    1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
                            
                                Combat - Americans
                            
                                Non Combat Move - Americans
                                    1 destroyer moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                            
                                Place Units - Americans
                                    1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in United States
                                    3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                            
                                Turn Complete - Americans
                                    Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
                            

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                              TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

                              TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                              Game History

                              Round: 5
                              
                                  Purchase Units - Germans
                                      Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                              
                                  Combat Move - Germans
                                      20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                              
                                  Combat - Germans
                                      Battle in Belorussia
                                          Germans attack with 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry
                                          Russians defend with 1 infantry
                                              Germans roll dice for 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 54 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 28/82 hits, 23,00 expected hits
                                              Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                              1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                                              1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                                          Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 20 armour, 8 artilleries and 53 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                                          Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                                          Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                              
                                  Non Combat Move - Germans
                                      9 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
                                      4 fighters moved from Germany to East Poland
                                      3 infantry moved from Austria to Germany
                                      2 submarines moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                              
                                  Place Units - Germans
                                      12 infantry placed in Germany
                              
                                  Turn Complete - Germans
                                      Germans collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs
                              

                              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                              Russians regular : 0,67
                              Germans regular : 5,00
                              

                              Savegame

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                                Game History

                                Round: 5
                                
                                    Purchase Units - Russians
                                        Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
                                
                                    Combat Move - Russians
                                        1 bomber moved from Russia to East Poland
                                
                                    Combat - Russians
                                        Battle in East Poland
                                            Russians attack with 1 bomber
                                            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 9 armour and 4 fighters
                                                Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                Germans roll dice for 9 armour and 4 fighters in East Poland, round 2 : 6/13 hits, 5.67 expected hits
                                                1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                                                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                                            Germans win with 8 armour and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                                            Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber
                                            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                                
                                    Non Combat Move - Russians
                                        Turning on Edit Mode
                                        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to North Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                        1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
                                        5 armour moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                        1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Russia
                                        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow
                                        4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 56 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
                                        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
                                
                                    Place Units - Russians
                                        7 infantry placed in Moscow
                                
                                    Turn Complete - Russians
                                        Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs
                                

                                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                Germans AA : -0.17
                                Germans regular : 0.33
                                Russians regular : 0.33
                                
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                                  @victoryfirst

                                  Game History

                                  Round: 5
                                  
                                      Purchase Units - British
                                          British buy 4 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 
                                  
                                      Combat Move - British
                                          1 artillery moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
                                                British take Northern Italy from Germans
                                          1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 armour moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 armour and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                          1 armour moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Vichy France
                                                British take Vichy France from Germans
                                          1 destroyer moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                                          1 destroyer moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 destroyer moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                                  
                                      Combat - British
                                          Battle in North Sea Sea Zone
                                              British attack with 1 bomber and 2 destroyers; Russians loiter and taunt
                                              Germans defend with 2 submarines
                                                  British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 destroyers in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                                                  Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                  1 destroyer owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                                                  2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                                              British win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                                              Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
                                              Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                                  
                                      Non Combat Move - British
                                          Turning on Edit Mode
                                          EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from North Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
                                          EDIT: Adding units owned by British to North Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                          Turning on Edit Mode
                                          EDIT: Changing ownership of Netherlands-Belgium from Germans to British
                                          EDIT: Changing ownership of France from Germans to British
                                          EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                          1 bomber moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Moscow
                                          3 fighters moved from Karelia to Moscow
                                          1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
                                          2 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                          1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
                                          1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                          1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                          2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                  
                                      Place Units - British
                                          4 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
                                  
                                      Turn Complete - British
                                          British collect 45 PUs; end with 53 PUs
                                  

                                  Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                  Germans regular : 0.33
                                  British regular : 1.33
                                  
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                                    @victoryfirst

                                    Game History

                                    Round: 5
                                    
                                        Purchase Units - Americans
                                            Americans buy 4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
                                    
                                        Combat Move - Americans
                                            3 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
                                            1 destroyer moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                                            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
                                            1 bomber moved from Karelia to East Poland
                                            1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow
                                    
                                        Combat - Americans
                                            Battle in East Poland
                                                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                                                Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 8 armour and 4 fighters
                                                    Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                                                    Germans roll dice for 8 armour and 4 fighters in East Poland, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 5.33 expected hits
                                                    1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in East Poland
                                                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                                                Germans win with 7 armour and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                                                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
                                                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                                    
                                        Non Combat Move - Americans
                                    
                                        Place Units - Americans
                                            4 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United States
                                            1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
                                            Turning on Edit Mode
                                            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States: 2 artilleries
                                            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                            Turning on Edit Mode
                                            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States: 1 artillery
                                            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 transport
                                            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 4 to 0
                                            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                                    
                                        Turn Complete - Americans
                                            Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
                                    

                                    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                    Americans regular : 0.33
                                    Germans AA : -0.17
                                    Germans regular : -1.33
                                    

                                    USA5.tsvg *I should have sent the UK bomber against E. Poland but statistically, sending three bombers would net two kills at best (AA gun) so I'm comfortable with this result. I feel that the round 4 loss of transports in particular explains the disparity. Let's take it across the finish line. I don't see any reason to do more than remove the infantry from Romania as you have recommended. I'm just not sure if that is necessary...

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                                      TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

                                      TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

                                      Game History

                                      Round: 6
                                      
                                          Purchase Units - Germans
                                              Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                                      
                                          Combat Move - Germans
                                              20 armour, 8 artilleries and 53 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
                                              7 armour and 4 fighters moved from East Poland to Moscow
                                              1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow
                                      
                                          Combat - Germans
                                              Battle in Moscow
                                                  Germans attack with 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 53 infantry
                                                  British defend with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry; Americans defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 70 infantry
                                                      Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 1/5 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                                      1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 53 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 26/92 hits, 28,50 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 73 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 28/88 hits, 30,83 expected hits
                                                      28 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      24 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                                                      Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 25 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 17/64 hits, 23,83 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 48 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 27/62 hits, 22,33 expected hits
                                                      2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 25 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      15 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                                                      Germans roll dice for 27 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 4 : 13/37 hits, 17,67 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 31 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 9/45 hits, 16,67 expected hits
                                                      6 artilleries owned by the Germans and 3 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      13 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                                      Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 12/28 hits, 14,17 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 18 infantry in Moscow, round 5 : 16/32 hits, 12,33 expected hits
                                                      16 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      12 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                                      Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 5/12 hits, 6,17 expected hits
                                                      Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 6 infantry in Moscow, round 6 : 11/20 hits, 8,33 expected hits
                                                      1 bomber owned by the Germans, 3 fighters owned by the Germans and 7 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                                                      5 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                                                  1 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Belorussia
                                                  Russians win with 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -153
                                                  Casualties for Germans: 26 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 53 infantry
                                                  Casualties for Russians: 69 infantry
                                                  Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                                      
                                          Non Combat Move - Germans
                                      
                                          Place Units - Germans
                                              11 infantry placed in Germany
                                      
                                          Turn Complete - Germans
                                              Germans collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs
                                      

                                      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                      Russians regular : 0,50
                                      Germans regular : -17,33
                                      Russians AA : 0,17
                                      

                                      Savegame

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                                        GG, the Germans got their ass kicked lol.

                                        I don't know, this game had more or less equal dice but the odds for Germany were still 70%

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                                          @victoryfirst said in VF (Germans) vs. TGC (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 9 with Balance 2.0:

                                          GG, the Germans got their ass kicked lol.

                                          I don't know, this game had more or less equal dice but the odds for Germany were still 70%

                                          Agreed - the odds are what the odds are. I'm putting that disparity on the midgame loss of transports for the Allies. I'm just REALLY worried about recommending taking off that infantry. It looks balanced - I'm more afraid of going too far than anything else. Go again with the inf removed from Romania? Are we staying on the same sides or switching? Love our games btw, very fun!

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                                            VictoryFirst @The_Good_Captain
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                                            Optionally what we could do is remove 1 or 2 infantry from a territory that is NOT Romania. The Romanian infantry actually has a massive impact as it makes any G1 attack on Ukraine impossible. It caused a large change to my G1 opener. I strongly think the bay of biscay and 12 IPCs is not enough for the game balance, so it might be an idea to remove let's say 2-4 infantry from Germany.

                                            Yes, I love these games also. Let's play one more with he Romanian infantry removed but this time let's switch sides. I've been playing 11 games in a row as Germany. If I play one more as Germany I fear I will become a German myself 😂

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