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    • JohnnyCatJ Offline
      JohnnyCat @Trout
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      @trout @beelee

      TAKE OVER ITALY Clause??

      Please let me know if this is the case:

      For the next turn I will, if possible, invoke the Take Over Italy Option and spend 5 - that means that I get a total of 19 added to the 71 Germany starts with when all is added up and all the units are converted and the outstanding Italy IPUs are added. The 3 mines that I bought will transfer as well

      Is this correct?

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        Trout @JohnnyCat
        last edited by

        @johnnycat You’re on the right track but need to read up on that rule thoroughly. For example, you can’t do it if there are any Mafiosi in Africa. So you can’t do it until that is the case at the end of an Italy turn

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        • JohnnyCatJ Offline
          JohnnyCat @Trout
          last edited by JohnnyCat

          @trout I did read it many times and even prepared for this the entire game.

          I have no Italian units in "continental Africa"

          Perhaps our Yoda (@beelee) can comment?

          The very definition of "continental" rules out Malta and Syria

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            beelee @JohnnyCat
            last edited by beelee

            @johnnycat

            You need a Escort to deploy NMs. https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1717400187249-3.g40-naval-mines.pdf

            You load them in NCM and then move them and either deploy or leave unarmed on the Escort.

            Have to use edit in 2nd Plase Phase to remove the NMs and the escort. Then add the Escort back in and add Changer NMs.

            Document in Comment Log where they defend. The Border they defend is in both directions.

            I'm in the process of updating the examples for both LMs and NMs

            https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36998/global-1940-and-1943-expansion-for-use-with-triplea/234

            They aren't very triplea user friendly. If you forget to remove in 2nd Place it won't let you. Just ignore and place the changer ones.

            You only have 1 NM in Italy. The link explains how to buy and deploy

            Edit
            You need to evacuate Alexandia and Egypt to do the Takeover. It's somewhat involved, so you will want to go through the triplea Notes

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            • JohnnyCatJ Offline
              JohnnyCat @beelee
              last edited by

              @beelee what is this?

              We know the naval mines issue - but were asking for clarification on the German's TAKE OVER OF ITALY clause.

              I believe I can do it but General @trout says no... Can you look please ?

              THANKS

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              • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                JohnnyCat @beelee
                last edited by

                @beelee I have no units in continental Africa

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                • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                  JohnnyCat @beelee
                  last edited by

                  @beelee In fact I have read those rules about the take over MANY times because I have been planning that this entire game.

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                    Trout @JohnnyCat
                    last edited by

                    @johnnycat I just looked again at your Italy turn and I see Mafiosi in Alexandria and Egypt. Those count as Africa. I think you're okay with the two guys in TransJordan. But you can't do it this turn. If at the end of your next Italy turn, if you don't have any units in Africa along with the other two requirements which I assume you know since you read the rules, then you can do it. Yes, would be a good move to do.

                    There are Game Notes in TripleA for how you can get TripleA to convert the Italians into Germans so you will need to read those too

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                      beelee @JohnnyCat
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                      @johnnycat said in EXP G40 Game 3 Trout vs JCat:

                      @beelee I have no units in continental Africa

                      Screenshot from 2026-02-15 20-14-51.png

                      this is what the above save shows for me.

                      trout-cat-game-3-italy-8.tsvg

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                      • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                        JohnnyCat @beelee
                        last edited by

                        @beelee what! OK let me check

                        That looks like one of my practice files.

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                        • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                          JohnnyCat @beelee
                          last edited by JohnnyCat

                          @beelee

                          This is what it looks like but I will load the file as wellScreenshot 2026-02-15 at 6.21.31 PM.png

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                          • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                            JohnnyCat @beelee
                            last edited by JohnnyCat

                            @beelee @Trout

                            I hate to say this - but the Mac kind of sucks because it does not keep the windows current like in Unix. I almost always do a practice run and save to a similar file name - so I use a dash in the filename versus underscore./

                            I guess I need to be more aggressive because the Mac does not keep the file name current as UNIX would do.

                            Anyway this is the actual game file:

                            trout-cat-game-3-ITALY_8.tsvg

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                            • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                              JohnnyCat @Trout
                              last edited by

                              @trout sorry about that - I uploaded my practice file. Please look through the file I just uploaded...

                              trout-cat-game-3-ITALY_8.tsvg

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                                beelee @JohnnyCat
                                last edited by beelee

                                @johnnycat

                                It's easy to do. Yea Mac and triplea have had problems from the get go.

                                Edit
                                Yea that qualifies. So, the easiest way is to purchase and then place the Takeover Token for Italy. It will then auto change most stuff.

                                Idk how much combat took place. But you can redo the turn and edit the combat results and place the Token or edit all the takeover stuff.

                                It's a little confusing but after you do it a few times it works pretty smooth. The biggest is getting the income correct, especially if there is Blockade/Convoy damage that has to be rolled for.

                                Gotta do that by hand but that is not the case here.

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                                  JohnnyCat @beelee
                                  last edited by JohnnyCat

                                  @beelee

                                  Maybe I don't know the naval mines rules as much as I thought.

                                  Can you take a look at the purchase for Italy and tell me what makes sense :

                                  Screenshot 2026-02-15 at 6.30.52 PM.png

                                  https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/assets/uploads/files/1692452838727-1.g40-naval-mines.pdf

                                  says: A maximum of 3 Naval Mines can be loaded onto
                                  an Escort

                                  Previously in Japan I was loading only 1 naval mine per escort ! I had that wrong ?

                                  In particular I am wondering why the game let me place all the mines except 3 land mines? @Trout said that I could go ahead and just consider that I spent $2 to make that south Italy factory larger but I will deal with it next turn as Germany - or as Italy if I have the wrong.

                                  So some reason parts of this game still elude me, lol. And I have to remember that places that start with a factory are different than places that do not start with one

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                                    beelee @JohnnyCat
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                                    @johnnycat

                                    yea so Mines are, as you can see, somewhat labor intensive with triplea. For starters, you can only buy as many as your Fctry can produce of regular Units.

                                    So Italy can only produce 3 per turn, 4 if they upgraded. They can do that for NMs and LMs both so 3 a piece with starting Fctry plus any other builds

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                                      beelee @JohnnyCat
                                      last edited by

                                      @johnnycat said in EXP G40 Game 3 Trout vs JCat:

                                      parts of this game still elude me,

                                      that includes all of us 🙂 I've been playing Mines wrong for almost 5 years lol. I thought they defended only one direction but once the border is mined it defends in both directions.

                                      I just found that out today 🙂

                                      I have to update the notes and clarify as the Captain's didn't make it seem that they did by my reading.

                                      But I fckd up Pacific Island Bonus for close to 3 years too, so one is gonna have a little bit of that 🙂

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                                      • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                                        JohnnyCat @beelee
                                        last edited by

                                        @beelee Yea that makes sense. Thank you.

                                        I can easily correct those things now

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                                        • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                                          JohnnyCat
                                          last edited by JohnnyCat

                                          @trout @beelee

                                          trout-cat-game-3-ITALY_8_MINE FIX.tsvg

                                          Since I cannot place 4 unarmed LMs I removed 1 mine and added 1 PU

                                          So Italy placed 3 unarmed LM

                                          What is the situation with the 6 Naval Mines? How many of those can I purchase there in Southern Italy ?

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                                          • JohnnyCatJ Offline
                                            JohnnyCat @Trout
                                            last edited by

                                            @trout Again my apologies that I posted that practice game.

                                            As far as I can tell everything in Italy is fixed except for buying 6 naval mines - I'm not sure how many I can buy but I posted the latest save

                                            trout-cat-game-3-ITALY_8_MINE FIX.tsvg

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