Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good)
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@alkexr Well, not many maps allow air units to land over water & enemy land. I'm not 100% sure what the general expectations are around the functionality but would probably defer to how the engine enforces it at the moment. The way I see it is that the engine prevents you from essentially attacking enemy territories during non-combat move. Otherwise you can do things like you tried to do here with fighting a battle and then landing in an enemy territory which is really attacking 2 territories in the same turn which feels kind of wrong.
I'm fine with option 2 of editing especially cause we are just playing a balance game.
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TripleA Turn Summary: HighElves round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - HighElves 1 elven_archer and 1 noldorin_warrior moved from Rivendell to Ford of Bruinen 1 elven_archer moved from Rivendell to sz Bruinen 1 elven_archer and 1 swan_boat moved from sz Bruinen to sz Greyflood 3 1 elven_archer moved from sz Greyflood 3 to Eregion 1 elven_hunter moved from The Angle to Trollshaws HighElves take Trollshaws from Orcs 1 elven_cavalry and 2 noldorin_warriors moved from Rivendell to Bruinen Bank 1 elven_cavalry moved from The Angle to East Lone Lands Purchase Units - HighElves HighElves buy 1 eagle and 2 noldorin_warriors; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat - HighElves Battle in Eregion Battle in East Lone Lands HighElves attack with 1 elven_cavalry Neutral defend with 1 scout HighElves roll dice for 1 elven_cavalry in East Lone Lands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 1 scout in East Lone Lands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits 1 scout owned by the Neutral lost in East Lone Lands HighElves loses 0 PUs for violating East Lone Landss neutrality. HighElves win, taking Eregion from Orcs, taking East Lone Lands from Neutral with 1 elven_cavalry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Neutral: 1 scout Battle in Ford of Bruinen HighElves attack with 1 elven_archer and 1 noldorin_warrior Orcs defend with 1 bat HighElves roll dice for 1 elven_archer and 1 noldorin_warrior in Ford of Bruinen, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Orcs roll dice for 1 bat in Ford of Bruinen, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 bat owned by the Orcs lost in Ford of Bruinen HighElves win with 1 elven_archer and 1 noldorin_warrior remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Orcs: 1 bat Battle in Bruinen Bank HighElves attack with 1 elven_cavalry and 2 noldorin_warriors Orcs defend with 2 goblin_shooters and 2 goblin_stabbers flank fire in Bruinen Bank : 1/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 goblin_shooter owned by the Orcs lost in Bruinen Bank HighElves roll dice for 1 elven_cavalry and 2 noldorin_warriors in Bruinen Bank, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1.83 expected hits Orcs roll dice for 1 goblin_shooter and 2 goblin_stabbers in Bruinen Bank, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 2 goblin_stabbers owned by the Orcs lost in Bruinen Bank flank fire in Bruinen Bank : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits HighElves roll dice for 1 elven_cavalry and 2 noldorin_warriors in Bruinen Bank, round 3 : 2/1 hits, 1.83 expected hits Orcs roll dice for 1 goblin_shooter in Bruinen Bank, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 goblin_shooter owned by the Orcs lost in Bruinen Bank HighElves win, taking Bruinen Bank from Orcs with 1 elven_cavalry and 2 noldorin_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Orcs: 2 goblin_shooters and 2 goblin_stabbers Non Combat Move - HighElves Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Little Lhûn from Neutral to HighElves EDIT: Changing ownership of South Ered Luin from Neutral to HighElves EDIT: Changing ownership of Ered Luin Foothills from Neutral to HighElves EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 elven_hunter moved from South Harlindon to South Ered Luin EDIT: 1 elven_archer moved from Mithlond to Ered Luin Foothills EDIT: 1 elven_archer moved from Mithlond to Little Lhûn EDIT: HighElves undo move 1. EDIT: 1 elven_hunter moved from South Harlindon to South Ered Luin EDIT: 1 elven_archer moved from Mithlond to Ered Luin Foothills EDIT: 1 elven_archer moved from Mithlond to Little Lhûn 1 dromund moved from sz Gulf of Lhûn to sz 18 1 dromund moved from sz Gulf of Lhûn to sz 12 1 elven_archer and 1 noldorin_warrior moved from Forlond to sz Gulf of Lhûn 1 elven_archer moved from Harlond to sz Gulf of Lhûn 1 dromund, 2 elven_archers and 1 noldorin_warrior moved from sz Gulf of Lhûn to sz Lhûn 2 elven_archers and 1 noldorin_warrior moved from sz Lhûn to Lhûn Tributary 1 elven_hunter moved from Lhûn East Bank to North Arthedain 1 elven_archer and 2 noldorin_warriors moved from Mithlond to Lhûn East Bank 1 elven_archer moved from River of Forlindon to Lhûn West Bank 1 elven_archer moved from Harlond to Tower Hills 1 elven_cavalry moved from North Lindon to North Emyn Uial 1 elven_cavalry moved from North Lindon to North Emyn Uial 1 elven_hunter moved from Last Bridge to Rivendell Place Units - HighElves 1 eagle and 2 noldorin_warriors placed in Rivendell Turn Complete - HighElves HighElves collect 42 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Neutral : -0.08 Orcs : -0.67 HighElves : 1.00 flank fire in Bruinen Bank : : 0.50 -
Forgot about the units in the west so made a few edits in NCM for taking empty neutrals. I'll try to play woodland tomorrow.
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TripleA Turn Summary: WoodlandRealm round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - WoodlandRealm 4 elven_archers moved from Rhosgobel to Narrows of Mirkwood Purchase Units - WoodlandRealm WoodlandRealm buy 2 elven_wardens and 1 wall; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat - WoodlandRealm Battle in Narrows of Mirkwood WoodlandRealm attack with 4 elven_archers DolGuldur defend with 1 spider WoodlandRealm roll dice for 4 elven_archers in Narrows of Mirkwood, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1.33 expected hits DolGuldur roll dice for 1 spider in Narrows of Mirkwood, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.75 expected hits 1 elven_archer owned by the WoodlandRealm and 1 spider owned by the DolGuldur lost in Narrows of Mirkwood WoodlandRealm win, taking Narrows of Mirkwood from DolGuldur with 3 elven_archers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for WoodlandRealm: 1 elven_archer Casualties for DolGuldur: 1 spider Non Combat Move - WoodlandRealm 1 elven_archer moved from North Woodland Realm to Old Forest Road 5 elven_archers and 3 elven_wardens moved from Elvenkings Halls to Old Forest Road 1 elven_hunter moved from Elf Path to Lands of the Beornings 1 elven_hunter moved from Elf Path to Long Marshes 1 elven_hunter moved from North Woodland Realm to Greenwood the Great 1 elven_hunter moved from Mountains of Mirkwood to Rhosgobel 1 elven_hunter moved from Mountains of Mirkwood to North Wilderland Place Units - WoodlandRealm 2 elven_wardens and 1 wall placed in Rhosgobel Turn Complete - WoodlandRealm WoodlandRealm collect 24 PUs; end with 28 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Harad round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - Harad 1 black_numenorean moved from North Umbar to sz Gulf of Umbar 2 black_numenoreans, 1 bowman and 3 corsairs moved from City of Corsairs to sz Gulf of Umbar 3 black_numenoreans, 2 black_ships, 1 bowman and 3 corsairs moved from sz Gulf of Umbar to sz 23 3 trollmen moved from Far Harad to Crossings of Harnen 1 bowman moved from Far Harad to North Umbar 5 variag_raiders moved from Khand to Harad Road 4 oliphaunts moved from Haradwaith to Harondor Purchase Units - Harad Harad buy 1 black_ship and 4 corsairs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Non Combat Move - Harad Place Units - Harad 1 black_ship placed in sz Gulf of Umbar 4 corsairs placed in City of Corsairs Turn Complete - Harad Harad collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: DolGuldur round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - DolGuldur DolGuldur loses 0 PUs for violating North Brown Landss neutrality. 1 uruk_warrior moved from Dol Guldur to North Undeep 1 orc_marauder moved from East Mirkwood to North Brown Lands DolGuldur take North Brown Lands from Neutral 1 orc_marauder moved from East Mirkwood to South Rhovanion DolGuldur take South Rhovanion from Northmen 1 uruk_warrior moved from Dol Guldur to Anduin Bank 1 orc_marauder moved from West Wilderland to Anduin Bank 3 warg_scouts moved from West Wilderland to Narrows of Mirkwood 1 spider moved from West Mirkwood to Narrows of Mirkwood 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior moved from Dol Guldur to East Bight 1 orc_marauder, 3 snaga_skirmishers and 1 spider moved from East Mirkwood to Narrows of Mirkwood 1 nazgul, 4 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers and 1 uruk_warrior moved from Dol Guldur to Narrows of Mirkwood Purchase Units - DolGuldur DolGuldur buy 1 snaga_skirmisher and 2 warg_scouts; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - DolGuldur Battle in Anduin Bank DolGuldur attack with 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior Northmen defend with 1 woodman DolGuldur roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior in Anduin Bank, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Northmen roll dice for 1 woodman in Anduin Bank, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits 1 woodman owned by the Northmen and 1 orc_marauder owned by the DolGuldur lost in Anduin Bank DolGuldur win, taking Anduin Bank from Northmen with 1 uruk_warrior remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for DolGuldur: 1 orc_marauder Casualties for Northmen: 1 woodman Battle in East Bight DolGuldur attack with 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior Northmen defend with 1 woodman DolGuldur roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior in East Bight, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Northmen roll dice for 1 woodman in East Bight, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits 1 woodman owned by the Northmen lost in East Bight DolGuldur win, taking East Bight from Northmen with 1 orc_marauder and 1 uruk_warrior remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Northmen: 1 woodman Battle in North Undeep DolGuldur attack with 1 uruk_warrior Neutral defend with 1 scout DolGuldur roll dice for 1 uruk_warrior in North Undeep, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 scout owned by the Neutral lost in North Undeep DolGuldur loses 0 PUs for violating North Undeeps neutrality. DolGuldur win, taking North Undeep from Neutral with 1 uruk_warrior remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Neutral: 1 scout Battle in Narrows of Mirkwood DolGuldur attack with 1 nazgul, 5 orc_marauders, 6 snaga_skirmishers, 2 spiders, 1 uruk_warrior and 3 warg_scouts WoodlandRealm defend with 3 elven_archers flank fire in Narrows of Mirkwood : 1/1 hits, 0.75 expected hits 1 elven_archer owned by the WoodlandRealm lost in Narrows of Mirkwood DolGuldur roll dice for 1 nazgul, 5 orc_marauders, 6 snaga_skirmishers, 2 spiders, 1 uruk_warrior and 3 warg_scouts in Narrows of Mirkwood, round 2 : 7/1 hits, 7.25 expected hits WoodlandRealm roll dice for 2 elven_archers in Narrows of Mirkwood, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.25 expected hits Units damaged: 1 spider owned by the DolGuldur 2 elven_archers owned by the WoodlandRealm lost in Narrows of Mirkwood DolGuldur win, taking Narrows of Mirkwood from WoodlandRealm with 1 nazgul, 5 orc_marauders, 6 snaga_skirmishers, 2 spiders, 1 uruk_warrior and 3 warg_scouts remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for WoodlandRealm: 3 elven_archers Non Combat Move - DolGuldur 1 bat moved from Dol Guldur to East Vales of Anduin Place Units - DolGuldur 1 snaga_skirmisher and 2 warg_scouts placed in Dol Guldur Turn Complete - DolGuldur DolGuldur collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs 1 unit repaired.Combat Hit Differential Summary :
flank fire in Narrows of Mirkwood : : 0.25 DolGuldur : 1.08 Northmen : 0.83 WoodlandRealm : -0.25 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Freefolk round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - Freefolk Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Baranduin North Banks neutrality. Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Baranduin North Banks neutrality. Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Brandywine North Banks neutrality. Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Barrow Downss neutrality. Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Greyflood North Banks neutrality. 1 hobbit_archer moved from Old Winyards to Baranduin North Bank Freefolk take Baranduin North Bank from Neutral 1 hobbit_archer moved from Tookland to Brandywine North Bank Freefolk take Brandywine North Bank from Neutral 2 rangers moved from Chetwood to Amon Sûl 2 spearmen moved from Archet to Amon Sûl 1 ranger moved from Bree Hill to Amon Sûl 2 scouts moved from Andrath to Greenway 1 scout moved from Staddle to Greenway 2 scouts moved from Bree Hill to Amon Sûl 1 spearman moved from Bree to Greenway 1 pony_rider moved from Southfarthing to Barrow Downs Freefolk take Barrow Downs from Neutral 1 hobbit_archer moved from Bree to West Lone Lands 3 rangers moved from Andrath to West Lone Lands 1 spearman moved from Bree to Greenway 1 spearman moved from Bree to Greyflood North Bank Freefolk take Greyflood North Bank from Neutral Purchase Units - Freefolk Freefolk buy 1 pony_rider, 3 rangers and 2 scouts; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - Freefolk Battle in West Lone Lands Freefolk attack with 1 hobbit_archer and 3 rangers Neutral defend with 1 spearman Freefolk roll dice for 1 hobbit_archer and 3 rangers in West Lone Lands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.25 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 1 spearman in West Lone Lands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 spearman owned by the Neutral lost in West Lone Lands Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating West Lone Landss neutrality. Freefolk win, taking West Lone Lands from Neutral with 1 hobbit_archer and 3 rangers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Neutral: 1 spearman Battle in Greenway Freefolk attack with 3 scouts and 2 spearmen Neutral defend with 1 bowman flank fire in Greenway : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Freefolk roll dice for 3 scouts and 2 spearmen in Greenway, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 1 bowman in Greenway, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 bowman owned by the Neutral lost in Greenway Freefolk loses 0 PUs for violating Greenways neutrality. Freefolk win, taking Greenway from Neutral with 3 scouts and 2 spearmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Neutral: 1 bowman Non Combat Move - Freefolk 2 spearmen moved from Staddle to South Downs 1 hobbit_archer moved from Southfarthing to Andrath 1 pony_rider moved from Old Winyards to Andrath 1 pony_rider moved from Bree to East Lone Lands 2 pony_riders moved from Hobbiton to Brandywine East Bank 1 pony_rider moved from Brandywine Bridge to Archet 2 hobbit_archers moved from Hobbiton to Brandywine Bridge 3 hobbit_archers moved from Tuckborough to Sarn Ford 2 hobbit_archers moved from Michel Delving to Green Hills 1 scout moved from Far Downs to North Emyn Uial Place Units - Freefolk 3 rangers placed in Staddle 1 pony_rider placed in Bree 2 scouts placed in Bree Turn Complete - Freefolk Freefolk collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Neutral : -0.58 Freefolk : -0.25 flank fire in Greenway : : -0.50 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Dwarves round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - Dwarves Dwarves loses 0 PUs for violating East Forodwaiths neutrality. Dwarves loses 0 PUs for violating Lhûns neutrality. 2 dwarven_axemen moved from Erebor to Ered Mithrin 1 raven moved from Erebor to West Grey Mountains 1 dwarven_axethrower moved from Grey Mountains to West Grey Mountains 1 dwarven_axethrower moved from North Ered Mithrin to Lands of the Lossoth Dwarves take Lands of the Lossoth from Angmar 1 dwarven_pikeman moved from Halls of Grór to East Forodwaith Dwarves take East Forodwaith from Neutral 1 dwarven_halberdier moved from Halls of Grór to Northeast Rhûn 1 dwarven_axethrower moved from Thorin's Halls to Lhûn Dwarves take Lhûn from Neutral 2 dwarven_axemen moved from Thorin's Halls to South Lhûn 1 dwarven_axethrower moved from Blue Mountains to South Lhûn Purchase Units - Dwarves Dwarves buy 3 dwarven_axethrowers, 1 dwarven_halberdier and 2 ravens; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - Dwarves Battle in Ered Mithrin Dwarves attack with 2 dwarven_axemen Angmar defend with 2 snaga_skirmishers Dwarves roll dice for 2 dwarven_axemen in Ered Mithrin, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits Angmar roll dice for 2 snaga_skirmishers in Ered Mithrin, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Angmar lost in Ered Mithrin Dwarves roll dice for 2 dwarven_axemen in Ered Mithrin, round 3 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in Ered Mithrin, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits 1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Angmar lost in Ered Mithrin Dwarves win, taking Ered Mithrin from Angmar with 2 dwarven_axemen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Angmar: 2 snaga_skirmishers Battle in Northeast Rhûn Dwarves attack with 1 dwarven_halberdier Rhun defend with 1 spearman Dwarves roll dice for 1 dwarven_halberdier in Northeast Rhûn, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Rhun roll dice for 1 spearman in Northeast Rhûn, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits Dwarves roll dice for 1 dwarven_halberdier in Northeast Rhûn, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Rhun roll dice for 1 spearman in Northeast Rhûn, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits 1 spearman owned by the Rhun lost in Northeast Rhûn Dwarves win, taking Northeast Rhûn from Rhun with 1 dwarven_halberdier remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Rhun: 1 spearman Battle in West Grey Mountains Dwarves attack with 1 dwarven_axethrower and 1 raven Angmar defend with 1 snaga_skirmisher Dwarves roll dice for 1 dwarven_axethrower and 1 raven in West Grey Mountains, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in West Grey Mountains, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Angmar lost in West Grey Mountains Dwarves win, taking West Grey Mountains from Angmar with 1 dwarven_axethrower and 1 raven remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Angmar: 1 snaga_skirmisher Non Combat Move - Dwarves 1 dwarven_axethrower moved from South Ered Mithrin to North Ered Mithrin 1 dwarven_axeman moved from South Ered Mithrin to Grey Mountains 6 dwarven_axemen moved from Erebor to Dáin's Halls 1 trebuchet moved from Erebor to Elvenkings Halls 1 dwarven_halberdier and 1 dwarven_pikeman moved from Halls of Grór to East Iron Hills 1 dwarven_axeman moved from West Iron Hills to East Iron Hills Place Units - Dwarves 2 dwarven_axethrowers and 1 dwarven_halberdier placed in Dáin's Halls 1 dwarven_axethrower and 2 ravens placed in Erebor Turn Complete - Dwarves Dwarves collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Dwarves : 0.33 Rhun : -0.17 Angmar : -0.58 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Rohan round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 1 Combat Move - Rohan 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia moved from Hornburg to Westfold Purchase Units - Rohan Rohan buy 1 bowman, 2 kings_companys and 4 riddermark_militias; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - Rohan Battle in Westfold Rohan attack with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia Orcs defend with 1 warg_scout Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.58 expected hits Orcs roll dice for 1 warg_scout in Westfold, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.58 expected hits Orcs roll dice for 1 warg_scout in Westfold, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 warg_scout owned by the Orcs lost in Westfold Rohan win, taking Westfold from Orcs with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Orcs: 1 warg_scout Non Combat Move - Rohan 1 bowman moved from Hornburg to Helms Deep 1 helming_warrior moved from Hornburg to Glittering Caves 1 helming_warrior moved from Hornburg to Starkhorn 1 helming_warrior moved from Dunharrow to Glittering Caves 1 bowman moved from Hornburg to South Fangorn 2 bowmen and 3 riddermark_militias moved from Dunharrow to Snowbourn 3 bowmen and 6 riddermark_militias moved from Edoras to West Emnet 1 bowman and 2 riddermark_militias moved from Aldburg to Entwade 2 bowmen moved from Firienholt to Entwade 2 eorling_riders moved from East Emnet to The Wold 1 eorling_rider moved from Eastfold to The Wold 1 eorling_rider moved from Aldburg to The Wold 2 eorling_riders moved from West Emnet to The Wold 1 rohirric_scout moved from West Emnet to The Wold 3 kings_companys moved from Edoras to Entwade Place Units - Rohan 1 bowman, 2 kings_companys and 4 riddermark_militias placed in Edoras Turn Complete - Rohan Rohan collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Orcs : -0.33 Rohan : -0.17 -
That 1 orc warg scout winning that battle @40% to block the attack on Sarumen is like a 150 TUV swing move. Definitely doesn't feel good on turn 1. Not sure if that is just an extremely risky move by Sarumen that is probably a bad idea or if the starting positions need tweaked. But that 1 battle to block it probably kept this game alive as otherwise I think Sarumen lost half of its units turn 1.
Also I think the placements for Helms Deep need fixed as it appears the first unit is invisible.
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@redrum You made a mistake, and that evens out the mistake I made with Saruman. I think balance-wise we are roughly on the correct track. (You should have sacrificed a huorn to take Westfold, it was clearly important enough.)
If Saruman doesn't make a mistake and does the first turn roughly like this, then Evil has about 7% chance to fail both Saruman's and the Orcs' screening attempt.
But I agree, it should be made clear whether Saruman + Orcs should be allowed to do this. So either 2 dunlendings should be moved 1 territory closer (to allow Saruman to 100% do this) or 2 dunlendings should be moved 1 territory farther (to make this move impossible).
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@redrum said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):
Also I think the placements for Helms Deep need fixed as it appears the first unit is invisible.
It's at (0,0), and hopefully the factory is displayed there.
EDIT: oh, I see it now. I wanted to switch to using the dont_display_unit instead of placement hack in the next version anyway.
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@alkexr Yeah, I didn't realize that the orc warg scout could get to Westfold. For some reason, I keep forgetting they can move through mountains as the other wargs can't and most cavalry can't. And agree that I should have used a Huorn as well though even with just the 2 elven cavalry, there was a pretty good chance of both of them surviving which would have prevented it as well. So both a missed move and 2 unlucky battles
So I guess your general thought is that Hornburg should fall to Saruman turn 2 given that they move most of their troops into position to attack it? Just trying to get a sense of where you think the balance lies.
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@redrum said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):
So I guess your general thought is that Hornburg should fall to Saruman turn 2 given that they move most of their troops into position to attack it? Just trying to get a sense of where you think the balance lies.
With the current starting position yes, Hornburg should fall turn 2 (without significant difference from the actual game).
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@alkexr said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):
(without significant difference from the actual game).
Well, at the cost of trading 4-ish uruk pikes or something, but taking them doesn't seem to be free (counterattacks etc.), so TUV-wise it should be close.
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@alkexr Yeah, that should prevent Lorien taking Westfold (could also use 2 Gondor rangers as well to make it like 15%) though I think then Rohan can actually get enough to defend Hornburg with Saruman having the 6 or so less units.
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@redrum Now I could counter-speculate what I would do differently, and if we keep counter-counter-speculating, we end up playing out a new game in the head. But in the end the two (interlinked) questions we have are:
- Should we continue this game as is, or should we start over
- Should we balance the map in a way that allows Saruman to take Hornburg turn 2 or not
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@alkexr Aye. I definitely think we should continue as even if Saruman/Rohan plays out a bit differently then it normally would, we can still test the rest of the map as I don't think there have been too many errors else where.
We definitely do need to test Saruman's opening and counters to it a bit more though.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Saruman round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 2 Combat Move - Saruman Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating West Ered Nimraiss neutrality. Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating Isen South Banks neutrality. 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Adorn to West Ered Nimrais Saruman take West Ered Nimrais from Neutral 1 uruk_warrior moved from Adorn to Isen South Bank Saruman take Isen South Bank from Neutral 1 halforc moved from Isen North Bank to Lond Daer 3 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Lond Daer 1 warg_rider moved from Greyflood East Bank to Eregion 1 warg_rider moved from Swanfleet to Eregion 3 halforcs and 1 uruk_warrior moved from North Enedwaith to Eregion 4 dunlending_wildmen moved from Trihyrne to Ered Nimrais 1 dunlending_wildman moved from East Methedras to Hornburg 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Trihyrne to Hornburg 1 halforc moved from Gap of Rohan to Hornburg 9 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Hornburg 1 wizard moved from Gap of Rohan to Hornburg 2 fire_of_orthancs moved from Nan Curunír to Hornburg 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to Nimrodel Saruman take Nimrodel from Lorien 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to Limlight Saruman take Limlight from Lorien 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to North Fangorn Saruman take North Fangorn from Lorien 3 dunlending_wildmen moved from Isengard to South Fangorn 1 dunlending_wildman moved from Isengard to South Fangorn 2 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Westfold 2 crebains moved from Isengard to Westfold 1 uruk_warrior moved from South Enedwaith to Lond Daer 3 uruk_pikemen moved from Gap of Rohan to Westfold Purchase Units - Saruman Saruman buy 1 dunlending_wildman, 3 halforcs and 4 uruk_pikemen; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - Saruman Battle in Hornburg Saruman attack with 2 dunlending_wildmen, 2 fire_of_orthancs, 1 halforc, 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard Gondor defend with 2 rangers; Rohan defend with 1 factory, 1 fortress and 6 walls siege fire in Hornburg : 5/0 hits, 5,00 expected hits 5 walls owned by the Rohan lost in Hornburg 2 fire_of_orthancs owned by the Saruman lost in Hornburg Saruman roll dice for 2 dunlending_wildmen, 1 halforc, 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard in Hornburg, round 2 : 6/1 hits, 6,08 expected hits Rohan roll dice for 1 fortress, 2 rangers and 1 wall in Hornburg, round 2 : 3/0 hits, 3,00 expected hits 2 dunlending_wildmen owned by the Saruman, 1 halforc owned by the Saruman, 1 fortress owned by the Rohan, 1 wall owned by the Rohan and 2 rangers owned by the Gondor lost in Hornburg Saruman win, taking Hornburg from Rohan with 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard remaining. Battle score for attacker is 51 Casualties for Rohan: 1 fortress and 6 walls Casualties for Saruman: 2 dunlending_wildmen, 2 fire_of_orthancs and 1 halforc Casualties for Gondor: 2 rangers Battle in Westfold Saruman attack with 2 crebains, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors Rohan defend with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia Saruman roll dice for 2 crebains, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors in Westfold, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2,08 expected hits Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,08 expected hits 1 riddermark_militia owned by the Rohan, 1 helming_warrior owned by the Rohan and 1 crebain owned by the Saruman lost in Westfold Saruman win, taking Westfold from Rohan with 1 crebain, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Saruman: 1 crebain Casualties for Rohan: 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia Battle in Lond Daer Saruman attack with 1 halforc and 4 uruk_warriors Neutral defend with 1 bowman, 1 factory and 1 wall Saruman roll dice for 1 halforc and 4 uruk_warriors in Lond Daer, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2,17 expected hits Units damaged: 1 wall owned by the Neutral Neutral roll dice for 1 bowman and 1 wall in Lond Daer, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,83 expected hits 1 halforc owned by the Saruman and 1 bowman owned by the Neutral lost in Lond Daer Saruman roll dice for 4 uruk_warriors in Lond Daer, round 3 : 2/0 hits, 2,00 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 1 wall in Lond Daer, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 wall owned by the Neutral lost in Lond Daer Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating Lond Daers neutrality. Saruman win, taking Lond Daer from Neutral with 4 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Saruman: 1 halforc Casualties for Neutral: 1 bowman and 1 wall Battle in Eregion Saruman attack with 3 halforcs, 1 uruk_warrior and 2 warg_riders HighElves defend with 1 elven_archer charge fire in Eregion : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 elven_archer owned by the HighElves lost in Eregion Saruman win, taking Eregion from HighElves with 3 halforcs, 1 uruk_warrior and 2 warg_riders remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for HighElves: 1 elven_archer Battle in South Fangorn Saruman attack with 4 dunlending_wildmen Rohan defend with 1 bowman Saruman roll dice for 4 dunlending_wildmen in South Fangorn, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits Lorien roll dice for 1 bowman in South Fangorn, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 dunlending_wildman owned by the Saruman and 1 bowman owned by the Rohan lost in South Fangorn Saruman win, taking South Fangorn from Lorien with 3 dunlending_wildmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Saruman: 1 dunlending_wildman Casualties for Rohan: 1 bowman Battle in Ered Nimrais Saruman attack with 4 dunlending_wildmen Gondor defend with 1 ranger Saruman roll dice for 4 dunlending_wildmen in Ered Nimrais, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits Gondor roll dice for 1 ranger in Ered Nimrais, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,58 expected hits 1 dunlending_wildman owned by the Saruman and 1 ranger owned by the Gondor lost in Ered Nimrais Saruman win, taking Ered Nimrais from Gondor with 3 dunlending_wildmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Saruman: 1 dunlending_wildman Casualties for Gondor: 1 ranger Non Combat Move - Saruman 1 crebain moved from Westfold to Gap of Rohan 2 halforcs moved from Adorn to Fords of Isen 1 uruk_warrior moved from West March to North-South Road 1 uruk_warrior moved from Isengard to North-South Road Place Units - Saruman 1 dunlending_wildman, 3 halforcs and 4 uruk_pikemen placed in Isengard Turn Complete - Saruman Saruman collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Saruman : -0,33 Neutral : -0,33 Lorien : 0,67 siege fire in Hornburg : : 0,00 charge fire in Eregion : : 0,33 Gondor : 0,42 Rohan : 0,92 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Angmar round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6
Game History
Round: 2 Combat Move - Angmar 1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Arnor 1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Arnor 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Carn Dûm to North Arnor 1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Downs 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Eagle's Eyrie to Langwell Angmar take Langwell from Northmen 1 orc_marauder moved from Eagle's Eyrie to East Rhudaur 5 orc_marauders and 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Carn Dûm to North Downs 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Weathertop to Midgewater 3 orc_marauders, 1 snaga_skirmisher and 5 trolls moved from West Rhudaur to Weather Hills 1 nazgul, 6 orc_marauders, 1 snaga_skirmisher and 3 warg_riders moved from Weathertop to Weather Hills 3 orc_marauders and 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Forodwaith to Mount Gundabad 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from East Angmar to North Downs 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from South Angmar to Weather Hills 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Ettenmoors to Trollfells 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Ettenmoors to Ettendales 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from North Misty Mountains to Ettenmoors Purchase Units - Angmar Angmar buy 1 dragon, 3 snaga_skirmishers and 1 wall; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat - Angmar Battle in North Arnor Angmar attack with 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss antiair fire in North Arnor : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar Angmar roll dice for 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher in North Arnor, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 2,42 expected hits Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss in North Arnor, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,83 expected hits Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar 3 man_at_armss owned by the Arnor lost in North Arnor antiair fire in North Arnor : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits Angmar roll dice for 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher in North Arnor, round 3 : 3/1 hits, 2,42 expected hits Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman in North Arnor, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in North Arnor Angmar win, taking North Arnor from Arnor with 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss Battle in Midgewater Angmar attack with 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers Arnor defend with 1 bowman Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers in Midgewater, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman in Midgewater, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in Midgewater Angmar win, taking Midgewater from Arnor with 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman Battle in North Downs Angmar attack with 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards antiair fire in North Downs : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar Angmar roll dice for 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers in North Downs, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 3,17 expected hits Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards in North Downs, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1,25 expected hits Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar 2 dunadan_guards owned by the Arnor and 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in North Downs Angmar win, taking North Downs from Arnor with 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21 Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards Battle in Weather Hills Angmar attack with 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 3 warg_riders Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 1 dunadan_guard charge fire in Weather Hills : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits formation fire in Weather Hills : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 warg_rider owned by the Angmar and 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in Weather Hills Angmar roll dice for 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 2 warg_riders in Weather Hills, round 2 : 9/0 hits, 9,00 expected hits Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weather Hills, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 dunadan_guard owned by the Arnor lost in Weather Hills Angmar win, taking Weather Hills from Arnor with 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 2 warg_riders remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Angmar: 1 warg_rider Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 1 dunadan_guard Non Combat Move - Angmar 2 dragons moved from North Arnor to North Downs Place Units - Angmar 1 dragon and 1 snaga_skirmisher placed in Carn Dûm 2 snaga_skirmishers and 1 wall placed in Mount Gundabad Turn Complete - Angmar Angmar collect 47 PUs; end with 48 PUs 3 units repaired.Combat Hit Differential Summary :
formation fire in Weather Hills : : 0,67 charge fire in Weather Hills : : 0,00 Arnor : -0,08 antiair fire in North Downs : : 0,75 Angmar : 1,00 antiair fire in North Arnor : : 0,50
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