Game 3 Trout (Allies) vs. Panzer (Axis)
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@panzerstahl-helm-0 Good afternoon Herr Panzer. Asking for an assist from yourself or the Honorable Beelee on this. I am going to do a max attack on Ukraine from Bryansk to include all tanks/air/etc. that can reach. Only other attacks will be Norway and a paratrooper drop on Romania. So believe we will need to do the battle in Edit Mode and also get the Army Groups aligned to where the dice roll correctly. Can you help with that? I will also ask Beelee if he can assist with it. Thanks!
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Also, what is your OOL? Or would you prefer to do the Combat in Edit? Lastly, I am going to do some back of the napkin math on this to see if the attack would be successful. Sometimes for complex tussles, the Battle Calculator gets overwhelmed
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yea looks fairly straight forward. Move all the Defenders first. His Boxes are all correct. When you move your guys in you will need to activate one of your Tank Armies. red dot TG3
Then remember to add the Active Flags too and when the AG is disbanded kill the Flag with an extra hit. Don't use an actual hit.
Post a save after each roll if you want and or just ask for his OOL
Just be deliberate while in edit. Double check everything
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@beelee Okay. I will try to get it all broken out correctly and then post another save. How exactly do I remove the flags without having that count as a hit?
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I am online so we can also roll it out.
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@trout said in Game 3 Trout (Allies) vs. Panzer (Axis):
@beelee Okay. I will try to get it all broken out correctly and then post another save. How exactly do I remove the flags without having that count as a hit?
you do it in edit
Need to fight entire battle in edit
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@panzerstahl-helm-0 I won't be able to roll it out now. Family obligations tonight plus I want to break it out and see what the odds are. It appears to be in my favor but if it will cost me my air force, it could be a tactical victory and strategic defeat.
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@beelee Can there be an Elite Tank and a Waffen Elite Tank in the same location? Both are in Ukraine
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@beelee Okay, thanks. Back of the napkin math shows a decisive Soviet victory but can you or Herr Panzer please check if everything looks kosher before I roll? G armed to the teeth with heavy hitters but Soviets have sheer numbers of dudes, tanks, arty, and aircraft well in their favor. b555e0f7-f7b8-4a62-9263-8a0bb3ac3e4c-exp-game-3-trout-vs.panzer-r10.tsvg
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The soviet AG Flag is missing
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@beelee Thanks
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@panzerstahl-helm-0 Your AAA got one hit and I rolled 25 hits. Please let me know what you choose as your losses. f7fee8d9-4e8a-495f-ba51-d215c232eb2a-exp-game3-trout-panzer-r10 Bry-UK combat.tsvg
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I will try and assist for Herr Panzer
Showing 28 for me
Edit
I won't speak for Panzer but it seems he would take all hits and keep 1st SS Pnzr intact and the ss Elite. So you would kill the Flag with an extra hit -
@beelee You’re right! 28 hits. I missed the three hits at 4
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well they didn't
I think you are safe to roll for the G hits. The above is the obvious hits to take
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@panzerstahl-helm-0 Game History
Round: 10 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 Mass_Tankss, 1 TankDestroyerFS, 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s, 1 elite, 1 infantry and 2 russian_paras; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 0 AirLendLease; 3 TankLendLease; Combat Move - Russians Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRussians: Russians has 1 R_Europe_Rail and 2 Russian_Rails placed in Russia Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Russians takes Romania from Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Russians takes Romania from Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Russians takes Romania from Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 ArmyGroupCentre moved from Ukraine to Army Group Centre EDIT: 1 4thWaffenArmy moved from Army Group Centre to 4th Waffen EDIT: 1 Waffen_Oberst moved from 4th Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 2 WaffenPnzrGrndrs moved from 4th Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 1 waffen_infantry moved from 4th Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 1 3rdWaffenArmy moved from Army Group Centre to 3rd Waffen EDIT: 1 Waffen_Oberst moved from 3rd Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 2 WaffenPnzrGrndrs moved from 3rd Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 1 waffen_infantry moved from 3rd Waffen to Ukraine EDIT: 1 1stPanzerArmy moved from Army Group Centre to 1st Panzer EDIT: 5 armour moved from 1st Panzer to Ukraine EDIT: 1 Panzer_General moved from 1st Panzer to Ukraine EDIT: 1 1stWaffenPnzrArmy moved from Army Group Centre to 1st Waffen Panzer EDIT: 1 waffen_PG_Active moved from 1st Waffen Panzer to Ukraine EDIT: 3 waffen_panzers moved from 1st Waffen Panzer to Ukraine EDIT: 1 2ndSovietAG moved from Bryansk to 2nd Army Group EDIT: 1 ArmyGroupActive moved from Army Group Centre to Ukraine EDIT: 5 armour moved from 2nd Tank to Ukraine EDIT: 1 Tank_General moved from 2nd Tank to Ukraine EDIT: 5 armour moved from 1st Tank to Ukraine EDIT: 1 Tank_General3 moved from Overflow to Ukraine EDIT: 1 Elitearmour moved from Rostov to Ukraine EDIT: 3 armour moved from Rostov to Ukraine EDIT: 1 guard_infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine EDIT: 1 TankDestroyerFS, 2 artilleries, 1 elite, 4 fighters, 13 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Ukraine EDIT: 2 guard_infantrys moved from Belarus to Ukraine EDIT: 1 armour moved from Belarus to Ukraine EDIT: 1 armour moved from Smolensk to Ukraine EDIT: 1 FighterAce, 6 armour, 1 fighter and 1 russian_para moved from Russia to Ukraine EDIT: 1 russian_para moved from Novgorod to Romania EDIT: 1 ArmyGroupActive moved from 2nd Army Group to Ukraine 1 1stCorps, 2 artilleries, 1 elite, 2 guard_infantrys and 10 infantry moved from Olgiy to Tsagaan Olom Russians take Tsagaan Olom from Japanese Combat - Russians Russians creates battle in territory 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Battle in Ukraine EDIT: Russians attack with 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 Elitearmour, 1 FighterAce, 1 TankDestroyerFS, 1 Tank_General, 1 Tank_General3, 21 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 elite, 5 fighters, 3 guard_infantrys, 13 infantry, 1 russian_para and 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Germans defend with 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ElitePanzer, 1 Elitewaffen_panzer, 1 Panzer_General, 1 WaffenPioneer, 4 WaffenPnzrGrndrs, 2 Waffen_Obersts, 1 aaGun, 7 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 3 mine_unarmeds, 1 waffen_PG_Active, 2 waffen_infantrys and 3 waffen_panzers EDIT: 1 fighter owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 Elitearmour, 1 FighterAce, 1 Tank_General, 1 Tank_General3, 10 armour, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40 Casualties for Russians: 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 TankDestroyerFS, 11 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 elite, 1 fighter, 3 guard_infantrys, 13 infantry and 1 russian_para Casualties for Germans: 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ElitePanzer, 1 Elitewaffen_panzer, 1 Panzer_General, 1 WaffenPioneer, 4 WaffenPnzrGrndrs, 2 Waffen_Obersts, 1 aaGun, 7 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 3 mine_unarmeds, 1 waffen_PG_Active, 2 waffen_infantrys and 3 waffen_panzers Battle in 109 Sea Zone Russians attack with 1 submarine Germans defend with 3 GermanUBoats and 1 Wolfpack 1 submarine owned by the Russians submerged Germans winGermans win with 3 GermanUBoats and 1 Wolfpack remaining with 3 GermanUBoats remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 Wolfpack Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 110 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Russians Trigger Wolfpack at110 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 110 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at109 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 R_Europe_Rail and 1 Russian_Rail owned by Russians in Russia Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 Russian_Rail owned by Russians in Volgograd Trigger Remove All RussiansParaBoost: has removed 1 russian_paraBoost owned by Russians in Novgorod 1 Russian_Rail moved from Russia to Yenisey 1 Russian_Rail and 1 Soviet_Commisar_1 moved from Yenisey to Volgograd 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd EDIT: 1 russian_minor moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 armour moved from Urals to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel 1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 3 aaGuns moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 elite moved from Russia to Smolensk 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar_1 moved from Volgograd to Overflow EDIT: 1 armour moved from Finland to 2nd Corps EDIT: 2 guard_infantrys moved from Finland to 2nd Corps EDIT: 1 2ndCorps moved from 2nd Corps to Finland EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar_3 moved from Finland to Overflow EDIT: 1 armour moved from Yenisey to 3rd Corps EDIT: 1 3rdCorps moved from 3rd Corps to Volgograd EDIT: 2 infantry moved from Volgograd to 3rd Corps 4 fighters moved from Ukraine to Russia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Russia 1 FighterAce moved from Ukraine to Russia EDIT: 1 Tank_General3 moved from Ukraine to Overflow EDIT: 1 Tank_General moved from Ukraine to 2nd Tank EDIT: 1 1stTankArmy moved from 2nd Army Group to Ukraine EDIT: 4 armour moved from Ukraine to 1st Tank EDIT: 1 2ndTankArmy moved from 2nd Army Group to Ukraine EDIT: 5 armour moved from Ukraine to 2nd Tank EDIT: 1 armour moved from Ukraine to 1st Tank 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 aaGun moved from Olgiy to Tsagaan Olom 2 armour moved from Yenisey to Tsagaan Olom 1 infantry moved from Olgiy to Yenisey 1 Army_Conscript moved from Kansu to Novosibirsk 1 infantry moved from Olgiy to Tsagaan Olom Place Units - Russians 2 russian_paras placed in Russia 3 Mass_Tankss, 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s and 1 elite placed in Russia 1 TankDestroyerFS and 1 infantry placed in Volgograd Trigger MassTanksPlace3: has removed 3 Mass_Tankss owned by Russians in Russia Trigger RussiansTotalWarTankPlaceRussia6: has removed 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s owned by Russians in Russia Trigger MassTanksPlace3: Russians has 3 armour placed in Russia Trigger RussiansTotalWarTankPlaceRussia6: Russians has 3 armour placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Trigger RussiansParaBoost atRomania: Russians has 1 russian_paraBoost placed in Romania Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 43 PUsa05e4f5d-9306-418b-b319-5d7e386e9063-exp-game-3-trout-vs.panzer-r10.tsvg On second round, you had your Waffen Panzer General active and your Waffen SS Elite still around and rolled 10/10 hits :astonished_face: Those SS Panzers really pack a punch. I don't know how to remove the flags during combat so I had the flag take one of your hits and kept the AAA for 1st round losses since the AAA doesn't roll dice in combat. So the dice results were accurate.
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yea so when in edit mode you select as many casualties as you want. You just take the correct number of hits and then kill the Flag too
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@beelee Okay will try that next time. Thanks.
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you just have to be very deliberate about it. Double check if not triple
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@panzerstahl-helm-0 Hi there Mr. Panzer. Saw where you posted your J10 on the Multi thread. Started on the US/China/UK 10 turn but I am moving my big naval force into Sea Zone 5 and want to be clear on how Naval Mines work and Escorts sweep them. So I asked Captain a few questions on the other forum and will wait for his answers before proceeding with the turn. Also am traveling for work within the US this week so my time online will be sporadic. Have a great week sir!
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