Dragon War 1.2.5 redrum (Evil) vs Black_Elk (Good)
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TripleA Turn Summary: Elves round 8
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Dragon War, version: 1.2.5
Game History
Round: 8 Combat Move - Elves 1 Wood-Elves moved from Oorsik Forest to Sea Zone 8 1 Hvy-Infantry and 3 Wood-Elvess moved from Deldrach to Sea Zone 8 3 Biremes, 1 Hvy-Infantry and 4 Wood-Elvess moved from Sea Zone 8 to Sea Zone 11 1 Hvy-Infantry and 4 Wood-Elvess moved from Sea Zone 11 to Blood Hills 2 Auxiliariess moved from The Outlands to Doomed Bridge 1 Auxiliaries moved from Athondir to Durlan Steppes Combat - Elves Battle in Doomed Bridge Elves attack with 2 Auxiliariess Murlocs defend with 1 Murloc Elves roll dice for 2 Auxiliariess in Doomed Bridge, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Murlocs roll dice for 1 Murloc in Doomed Bridge, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits Elves roll dice for 2 Auxiliariess in Doomed Bridge, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Murlocs roll dice for 1 Murloc in Doomed Bridge, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 Murloc owned by the Murlocs lost in Doomed Bridge Elves win, taking Doomed Bridge from Murlocs with 2 Auxiliariess remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Murlocs: 1 Murloc Non Combat Move - Elves Purchase Units - Elves Note to players Elves: An Elven Wizard stands ready in Athondir.Wizards are capable of supporting up to 10 military units in battle. These 10 units will receive attack bonuses. Wizards are also capable of flying o.... Trigger Elves acquire a Wizard: Elves has 1 Wizard placed in Athondir Elves buy 3 Mariness; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 8 Food; 11 Wood; 0 Metal; Place Units - Elves 3 Mariness placed in Athondir Turn Complete - Elves Trigger Wood-Elves in Oorsik Forest: Elves has 1 Wood-Elves placed in Oorsik Forest Trigger Auxiliaries in Athondir: Elves has 1 Auxiliaries placed in Athondir Elves collect 29 PUs; end with 34 PUs Units generate 3 Metal; Elves end with 3 Metal Units generate 4 Food; Elves end with 12 Food Units generate 9 Wood; Elves end with 20 Wood Units generate -15 PUs; Elves end with 19 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Murlocs regular : -0.50 Elves regular : 0.00 -
Its an Ironhorn turtle up hehe. The dwarves are digging in for a bloodbath
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TripleA Turn Summary: Crowton round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Dragon War, version: 1.2.5
Game History
Round: 9 Combat Move - Crowton 1 unit repaired. Trigger Crowton fishing in Sea Zone 27: Crowton has 1 Whales placed in Sea Zone 27 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Hvy-Infantry, 1 Lgt-Cavalry, 1 Lgt-Infantry, 1 Red-Dragon and 1 Spearmen moved from Halfling Meadows to Ironhorn 1 Blue-Dragon moved from Dol Ulum to Ironhorn 1 Hvy-Infantry moved from Longkey Island to Sea Zone 26 1 Auxiliaries moved from Mithrildon to Sea Zone 26 1 Auxiliaries, 1 Hvy-Infantry and 1 Large-Ship moved from Sea Zone 26 to Sea Zone 28 1 Marines, 1 Monster and 1 Trebuchet moved from Stormwood to Sea Zone 25 1 Marines, 1 Monster, 1 Transport-Ship and 1 Trebuchet moved from Sea Zone 25 to Sea Zone 28 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Wizard moved from Stormwood to Sea Zone 25 1 Marines moved from Lone Island to Sea Zone 25 1 Auxiliaries, 1 Large-Ship, 1 Marines and 1 Wizard moved from Sea Zone 25 to Sea Zone 28 1 Auxiliaries moved from Southern Baldoria to Sea Zone 21 1 Auxiliaries moved from Sea Zone 21 to Questos Crowton take Questos from Pirates 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Hvy-Infantry, 2 Mariness, 1 Monster, 1 Trebuchet and 1 Wizard moved from Sea Zone 28 to Ironhorn 1 Auxiliaries moved from Winterboar Hills to Troglodyte Coast Crowton take Troglodyte Coast from Dwarves 1 Hvy-Infantry moved from Winterboar Hills to West Dolmor Crowton take West Dolmor from Dwarves 1 Auxiliaries moved from Dathic Hollows to Mebach Crowton take Mebach from Ogres 1 General moved from Dathiwatch to Westerfoss Crowton take Westerfoss from Ogres 1 Auxiliaries moved from Dathiwatch to Dathic North Crowton take Dathic North from Murlocs 2 Small-Ships moved from Sea Zone 31 to Sea Zone 37 1 Marines moved from Dathiwatch to Drake Peninsula Combat - Crowton Battle in Ironhorn Crowton attack with 4 Auxiliariess, 1 Blue-Dragon, 2 Hvy-Infantrys, 1 Lgt-Cavalry, 1 Lgt-Infantry, 2 Mariness, 1 Monster, 1 Red-Dragon, 1 Spearmen, 1 Trebuchet and 1 Wizard Dwarves defend with 5 Auxiliariess, 1 Capital-City, 1 Castle, 1 Crossbowmen, 1 Gnomes, 4 Halflingss, 1 Hvy-Cavalry, 1 Knights and 1 Wizard Crowton roll dice for 4 Auxiliariess, 1 Blue-Dragon, 2 Hvy-Infantrys, 1 Lgt-Cavalry, 1 Lgt-Infantry, 2 Mariness, 1 Monster, 1 Red-Dragon, 1 Spearmen, 1 Trebuchet and 1 Wizard in Ironhorn, round 2 : 9/16 hits, 8.63 expected hits Dwarves roll dice for 5 Auxiliariess, 1 Castle, 1 Crossbowmen, 1 Gnomes, 4 Halflingss, 1 Hvy-Cavalry, 1 Knights and 1 Wizard in Ironhorn, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 5.63 expected hits Units damaged: 1 Blue-Dragon owned by the Crowton and 1 Red-Dragon owned by the Crowton 3 Auxiliariess owned by the Dwarves, 1 Knights owned by the Dwarves, 4 Halflingss owned by the Dwarves and 1 Gnomes owned by the Dwarves lost in Ironhorn Crowton roll dice for 4 Auxiliariess, 1 Blue-Dragon, 2 Hvy-Infantrys, 1 Lgt-Cavalry, 1 Lgt-Infantry, 2 Mariness, 1 Monster, 1 Red-Dragon, 1 Spearmen, 1 Trebuchet and 1 Wizard in Ironhorn, round 3 : 8/16 hits, 8.63 expected hits Dwarves roll dice for 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Castle, 1 Crossbowmen, 1 Hvy-Cavalry and 1 Wizard in Ironhorn, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.88 expected hits Units damaged: 1 Blue-Dragon owned by the Crowton 1 Crossbowmen owned by the Dwarves, 1 Wizard owned by the Dwarves, 2 Auxiliariess owned by the Dwarves and 1 Hvy-Cavalry owned by the Dwarves lost in Ironhorn Crowton captures one of Dwarves capitals Crowton win, taking Ironhorn from Dwarves with 4 Auxiliariess, 1 Blue-Dragon, 2 Hvy-Infantrys, 1 Lgt-Cavalry, 1 Lgt-Infantry, 2 Mariness, 1 Monster, 1 Red-Dragon, 1 Spearmen, 1 Trebuchet and 1 Wizard remaining. Battle score for attacker is 115 Casualties for Dwarves: 5 Auxiliariess, 1 Crossbowmen, 1 Gnomes, 4 Halflingss, 1 Hvy-Cavalry, 1 Knights and 1 Wizard Non Combat Move - Crowton Trigger Small-Ship in Glassville: Crowton has 1 Small-Ship placed in Sea Zone 19 Trigger Small-Ship in Glassville: Crowton has 1 Marines placed in Glassville 1 Small-Ship moved from Sea Zone 27 to Sea Zone 22 1 Large-Ship moved from Sea Zone 25 to Sea Zone 27 1 Large-Ship moved from Sea Zone 31 to Sea Zone 28 Purchase Units - Crowton Crowton buy 1 Bowmen, 1 Large-Ship, 1 Monster and 1 Trebuchet; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 5 Food; 17 Wood; 4 Metal; Place Units - Crowton 1 Bowmen, 1 Monster and 1 Trebuchet placed in Stormwood 1 Large-Ship placed in Sea Zone 28 Turn Complete - Crowton Trigger Auxiliaries in Stormwood: Crowton has 1 Auxiliaries placed in Stormwood Crowton collect 70 PUs; end with 72 PUs Units generate 12 Food; Crowton end with 17 Food Units generate 18 Wood; Crowton end with 35 Wood Units generate -30 PUs; Crowton end with 42 PUs Units generate 6 Metal; Crowton end with 10 MetalCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Crowton regular : -0.25 Dwarves regular : -1.50 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Greenskins round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Dragon War, version: 1.2.5
Game History
Round: 9 Combat Move - Greenskins Some non-combat units are destroyed: Greenskins converts Young-White-Dragon into different units Greenskins converts Young-Brown-Dragon into different units 1 Hvy-Infantry moved from High Mocrag to Ogreville Greenskins take Ogreville from Ogres 1 Rangers moved from Misty Forest to Dathic West 1 Hvy-Cavalry moved from Slavebridge to South Samark Greenskins take South Samark from Gnolls 1 Rangers moved from Slavebridge to Stormcrag Greenskins take Stormcrag from Kobolds 1 Rangers moved from Mid Samark to Scavenberg Greenskins take Scavenberg from Kobolds 1 Rangers moved from East Samark to Crystal Strand 1 General and 1 Knights moved from Samarkum to Crystal Strand 1 Rangers moved from Old Slavenport to Crystal Strand 1 Auxiliaries moved from Old Slavenport to East Samark 1 Mortar moved from Old Slavenport to Samarkum 1 Knights moved from Dusty Heights to Samarkum 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Monster moved from Badlands to Old Slavenport 1 Auxiliaries moved from Dusty Heights to Old Slavenport 1 Auxiliaries moved from Dusty Mountains to Dusty Heights 1 Rangers moved from Wild Mire to Samarkum 1 Crow-Swarm moved from Orcengor to Samarkum 1 Wizard moved from Orcengor to Dusty Heights 1 Rangers moved from Orcengor to Old Slavenport 1 Auxiliaries moved from Orcengor to Dusty Mountains 1 Rangers moved from Warg Caves to Orcengor 1 Lgt-Cavalry and 1 Lgt-Infantry moved from Eastern Pontic Desert to Surigard 1 Crow-Swarm moved from Eastern Pontic Desert to Orcengor Combat - Greenskins Battle in Crystal Strand Greenskins attack with 1 General, 1 Knights and 2 Rangerss Kobolds defend with 1 Cattle and 1 Kobold Greenskins roll dice for 1 General, 1 Knights and 2 Rangerss in Crystal Strand, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Kobolds roll dice for 1 Kobold in Crystal Strand, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 Kobold owned by the Kobolds lost in Crystal Strand Greenskins win, taking Crystal Strand from Kobolds with 1 General, 1 Knights and 2 Rangerss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Kobolds: 1 Kobold Non Combat Move - Greenskins Purchase Units - Greenskins Greenskins buy 1 Crow-Swarm, 1 Hvy-Cavalry and 1 Village; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 2 Food; 30 Wood; 12 Metal; Place Units - Greenskins 1 Village placed in Crystal Strand 1 Crow-Swarm and 1 Hvy-Cavalry placed in Orcengor Turn Complete - Greenskins Trigger Rangers in Warg Caves: Greenskins has 1 Rangers placed in Warg Caves Trigger Auxiliaries in Orcengor: Greenskins has 1 Auxiliaries placed in Orcengor Greenskins collect 48 PUs (13 lost to blockades); end with 48 PUs Units generate 13 Food; Greenskins end with 15 Food Units generate 9 Wood; Greenskins end with 39 Wood Units generate 9 Metal; Greenskins end with 21 Metal Units generate -15 PUs; Greenskins end with 33 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Kobolds regular : -0.25 Greenskins regular : 2.00 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Undead round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Dragon War, version: 1.2.5
Game History
Round: 9 Combat Move - Undead 2 Large-Ships moved from Sea Zone 52 to Sea Zone 45 1 Giant-Bat moved from East Foothills to Troll Mountains 1 Lgt-Cavalry and 1 Lgt-Infantry moved from Bridge of No Return to Troll Mountains 1 General moved from West Witching Mountains to East Witching Mountains 1 Zombies moved from West Witching Mountains to Great Combe Undead take Great Combe from Gnolls 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Spearmen moved from West Witching Mountains to Hexmire 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Wizard moved from Necroloft to Sea Zone 49 1 Auxiliaries, 1 Large-Ship and 1 Wizard moved from Sea Zone 49 to Sea Zone 46 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Wizard moved from Sea Zone 46 to South Witching Mountains 1 Large-Ship moved from Sea Zone 49 to Sea Zone 47 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Mortar moved from Bluebeard Island to Sea Zone 47 1 Auxiliaries, 1 Large-Ship and 1 Mortar moved from Sea Zone 47 to Sea Zone 46 1 Auxiliaries and 1 Mortar moved from Sea Zone 46 to South Witching Mountains 1 Zombies moved from The Witching Mountains to Mount Chaos Undead take Mount Chaos from Murlocs Combat - Undead Battle in Troll Mountains Undead attack with 1 Giant-Bat, 1 Lgt-Cavalry and 1 Lgt-Infantry Dwarves defend with 1 Auxiliaries Undead roll dice for 1 Giant-Bat, 1 Lgt-Cavalry and 1 Lgt-Infantry in Troll Mountains, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.13 expected hits Dwarves roll dice for 1 Auxiliaries in Troll Mountains, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 Auxiliaries owned by the Dwarves lost in Troll Mountains Undead win, taking Troll Mountains from Dwarves with 1 Giant-Bat, 1 Lgt-Cavalry and 1 Lgt-Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Dwarves: 1 Auxiliaries Battle in South Witching Mountains Undead attack with 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Mortar and 1 Wizard Murlocs defend with 1 Mine and 1 Murloc Undead roll dice for 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Mortar and 1 Wizard in South Witching Mountains, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.50 expected hits Murlocs roll dice for 1 Murloc in South Witching Mountains, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits 1 Murloc owned by the Murlocs lost in South Witching Mountains Undead win, taking South Witching Mountains from Murlocs with 2 Auxiliariess, 1 Mortar and 1 Wizard remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Murlocs: 1 Murloc Battle in Sea Zone 45 Undead attack with 2 Large-Ships Dwarves defend with 1 Small-Ship Undead roll dice for 2 Large-Ships in Sea Zone 45, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Dwarves roll dice for 1 Small-Ship in Sea Zone 45, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.38 expected hits 1 Small-Ship owned by the Dwarves lost in Sea Zone 45 Undead win, taking Sea Zone 45 from Lionia with 2 Large-Ships remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Dwarves: 1 Small-Ship Non Combat Move - Undead 1 Zombie-Plague moved from The Witching Mountains to East Witching Mountains Purchase Units - Undead Undead buy 2 Large-Ships and 1 Marines; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 0 Food; 5 Wood; 4 Metal; Place Units - Undead 2 Large-Ships placed in Sea Zone 49 1 Marines placed in Necroloft Turn Complete - Undead Undead collect 50 PUs; end with 53 PUs Units generate 6 Food; Undead end with 6 Food Units generate 12 Wood; Undead end with 17 Wood Units generate 12 Metal; Undead end with 16 Metal Units generate -15 PUs; Undead end with 38 PUs Undead creates 1 Zombies in East Witching MountainsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Murlocs regular : -0.25 Dwarves regular : -0.63 Undead regular : 0.38 -
@Black_Elk Don't worry, I didn't waste any time putting them out of their misery
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Haha yeah looks like that wizard mopped up. Evil converging on land and dominating the high seas. I'd say good is finished. Nice one!
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@Black_Elk Yeah, GG. After I got both red and blue dragons, it was more or less over. I still feel that they are too easy to capture and too random on spawn locations.
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Yeah I don't know, I think it would be cool if each side had like 1 dragon to start, maybe randomized between the 3 factions on each team, so you don't know if its going to the dwarves or elves or humans etc, but know you'll have at least one. You could still compete for the remaining neutral dragons, but given how potent they are esp vs fleets, it'd be nice if the red and blue were always paired off against each other on opposing sides.
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@redrum @Black_Elk The TUV of the dragon will surely be lowered, but lowering too much would would just make them more stationary and mindless like before. I don't think the only problem with the dragons is that they are easy to capture, I think there is a good deal of luck involved. But the AI also sucks at using the dragons on offens against the players. I have not seen the AI manage the capturable dragons in a way a human a human would. It seems to be either run away (high tuv) or mindless easy-capture usage of the dragons (low tuv). @redrum Should it just be a matter of adjusting their tuv to a precise point where the AI would also consider using them on offens and thereby actually picking of player single units?
The sea pirate sea dragon seems to work (think) a bit better than the land counterparts. Is this your impression also?
Also, could you give a little thought to the actual value of the dragons compared to ordinary build units, because when I see you play, it seems that there is a lot of sacrificing and losing units via low probability wins (losses) vs AI, and a lot of marching towards dragons instead of playing safe, expanding, holding captured land and profit from that. I don't know if I am wrong and underestimating the value of dragons, but I think that there is a limit to how many landgrab opportunities and units a player should risk in the effort to capture a dragon, especially the lower level dragons.
I am also considering nerfing the dragons a bit more in the effort to let them fit into the game.
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@Frostion I think after the AI fixes I made last time around, you should be able to lower young dragon TUV considerably compared to what its at now. I'd say start with about halving it and see how that plays. It shouldn't need to be too precise just enough value that they don't sacrifice them.
I think the sea dragon spawning system is definitely better as you have more control over the location and can specify some what fair locations between good and evil as well as have it spawn with some defenders. Leaving dragon placement to the AI will always be kind of questionable and probably too random given their value.
Well I think Mr @Black_Elk probably was a bit overly dragon crazed this past game
As when you take poor odds on capturing the dragon then you are not only losing units, you are also usually giving the opponent a better shot at it (this is essentially what happened with the blue dragon).Dragons are very strong, mostly because of the high HP as well as range/flexibility. It allows you to often fight battles and lose no units while then killing multiple enemy units. It is also very strong in sea battles since you don't have many starting ships so it quickly swings naval superiority. Its mostly the white/blue/red dragons that are really strong as the other ones don't really have enough HP to matter as much. I'd say the red dragon is probably worth something around 100 TUV so about 10 standard units. Given that since you only generate/build like 1-3 units/turn early rounds that is a pretty big swing.
As the game sits now, its not as much about land grab as its still about naval superiority as there is a lot of water on the map and the sea zones are pretty large. You need to get enough land to have income to build some ships but dragons tend to be pretty key. Also the capital blockade sea zones are really strong and you could argue almost better to just sit and blockade then take the enemy capital.
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