New Map: World War 1 End of Empires

[iratoric]

@cernel I do like the color scheme "Over the Top" uses, so I will change the colors and use those instead. The main thing I don't like about that map is that Austria-Hungary looks kind of weird. By map details, are you referring to the map relief? I think the map relief uses a semi-transparent layer which would look better than the opaque colors I am currently using.

I changed the border between Alsace and Belgium so that they are connected now:

This definitely solidifies Germany's hold on Belgium because they can attack into Belgium from two territories now.

@Schulz I let the Hard AI play against itself with the new Belgium-Alsace connection and got this result:

As you can see, the Central Powers took Paris by round 12, winning the game. So it is definitely possible for the Central Powers to win.

Here are some tips on how to win as the Central Powers:

• Use your submarines to capture convoy centers
• When warships try to attack your submarines, either submerge or retreat, you will do more damage by attacking convoys
• The Entente as a whole is stronger than the Central Powers so you will have to practice defeat in detail
• Focus on knocking Russia out of the war first, defend against France and Italy
• When Russia makes peace, you will get a boost to your income from the conquered lands
• Use your navy to prevent Britain from naval invading you, plus a few troops along the coastline
• Move your units to the west and defeat Italy and France
• If you can hold Paris to the end of the round you will win

[Schulz]

@iratoric I didn't mean to discuss the game balance since I haven't played the map yet. I had just intented to share my realistic ratings of nations but all off them are negligible of course.

I have different approach for colors of nations. I think it is wiser to prioritizing distinctive colour rather than using their uniform colours (it is problematic because there will be 3 brown, 2 green and 2 blue nations). For example Russian uniforms obviously weren't red in WWII (neither German ones were pure grey) but red matchs just perfectly for Russia and creates more contrast.

There is of course no historical reason to use yellow for Austria I guess it is used because yellow is one of the primary colour and has to be used somewhere. But I can say I don't like the this shade of yellow. Too bright for me I would suggest to make it slighly more orange-ish if you want to keep it yellow.

You could maybe like my Japan's colour.

[iratoric]

@schulz
The only problem with using your Japan color is it looks close to the Impassable color used for Switzerland, Denmark, etc. I do like your suggestion that Austria-Hungary be orange-yellow, so I decided to test it out:

I think this looks much better! Tell me what you think.

[Schulz]

Yes it is better now. (though I would still suggest to making it orange-ish, you could check NAP FFA 8 players and see the Swedish color. It is really distinguishable colour.)

Also I would advice adding a bit grey-ish tone to Russian pure white when they left the war. I've used this color for impassables.

[iratoric]

@schulz
I changed neutral Russia's color to light grey, now they look like this:

With the current mechanic Russia becomes neutral but not impassable, so German units do not get "stuck" in neutral territory and are able to exit Russia.

[iratoric]

@Schulz
By the way, I was considering giving Belarus to Germany, however it seems that this territory may have remained Russian under the treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

[Cernel]

@iratoric I think the most questionable ownership on the map is Greece being Italian. Of course, a game has to make approximations, and it may also be good to do so, yet, also on the account that the game aims at realism to some extent, I mostly wonder if Italy is the best choice amongst all existent players (instead of, say, France).

About this, Bulgaria is certainly a player one may consider worth (or not worth) being a player, maybe more so than Greece.

Anyways, I also support your general approach to keep the complexity of the game fairly low. You are quite exceptional here (as most map-makers make big and complex games).

[Schulz]

@iratoric

Congress Poland and Baltics were the only areas which the Germans were able to establish client states hence turning them Grey is correct when Russia left the war.

Ukraine became independent state but had grain agreement with Germany and Austria in exchange of military protection from the Bolsheviks. Belarus was in similar situation. If Ukraine becomes German, then Beularus could be too.

Finland became independent not a client state.

Southern Caucasus was very complicated.

[RogerCooper]

@schulz German troops took Helsinki in March 1918. I think we can count Finland as another German client state.

[Schulz]

@rogercooper I've though because the Germans considered the actions of red Finns backed by the Bolsheviks is a violation of Brest-Litovsk.

I'am not sure if it would be correct to turn Finland grey just because German troops stationed there. As far as I know Finland wasn't a client state (please correct me if there are evidences against this.)

[iratoric]

@schulz I think I will follow your suggestion to make Belarus German as well because it appears that there was a serious attempt to form an independent Belarusian state on the territory controlled by the German Imperial Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_People's_Republic

Here is a 1918 New York Times article discussing the newly independent Ukraine:

I think Germany should get income from these newly independent states because the German Army occupied them and exploited their resources. In terms of gameplay, it will give the Germans incentive to knock Russia out of the war because they will increase their income without having to deal with the Russian army anymore.

[iratoric]

@Cernel
The only reason I chose Italy is because their proximity to Greece makes it easier for them to move more troops there. However, I will change Greece to French ownership as the Allied Army of the Orient which operated in Greece and Macedonia was headed by France: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Army_of_the_Orient
I will change the units in Greece to be a multinational force as Britain and France were fighting in Greece alongside Italy.

[RogerCooper]

@schulz You could plausibly make them Gray, or make them "White" anti-communist Russians.

[Schulz]

BTW I'am not sure about national flags of Italy and Russia if they were really containing crown symbols. Using the Russian flag to represent Russian Empire might be inaccurate.

Here is the Russian flag with the crown symbol:

[iratoric]

@schulz Here is a Russian flag with the coat of arms on it for reference:

[Schulz]

@iratoric Thank you but its circled version might be not aesthetically pleasing unfortunately. Maybe its possible to make a version of it with the crown symbol will occupy only quarter (or half) of circle.I will try that.

[iratoric]

@schulz Yes, I think the coat of arms should reach the bottom of the blue stripe though.

[Schulz]

@iratoric What do you think of this verion which the coat of arm is quarter of circle. I think its more aesthetically pleasing.

[iratoric]

@schulz Personally I think it should reach the bottom of the blue stripe. You can stretch it a little vertically.

[Schulz]

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