Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows

Cernel

@Hepps I think "fantasy" is too much specific, and can be used only for D&D kind of stuff, while fictional is too broad, and can be used also for a "Cold War" or "World War 2010" scenarios, that never happened in reality.
I was thinking "fantastic" was just fine, in its meaning of "remote from reality".
Well, I think I'm out of ideas for the labels.

Cernel

To be clear, I wanted a term for something that it is not set in any time in real history, but maybe it is just perfectly realistic, albeit alternative, or it is so fictitious that can't be considered merely counterfactual.

prastle

@Cernel counter factual is so vague i don't even understand .... Counter to what? the game of triplea? the engine?

The map list needs to be easily understood by time line and genre

keep fantasy as dragons etc by itself

futuristic as in star trek etc

pre 1900 maybe iron age? or Frosti's colonialism idea?

Cernel

@prastle said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

@Cernel keep fantasy as dragons etc by itself

futuristic as in star trek etc

The problem if we go for fantasy and futuristic is that, then, we need more and more fictional categories for other things that do not belong to those specific genres nor to realty.

For example, "Steampunk" is not fantasy and not futuristic, or the "Invasion USA" map, and also War of the Relics is hardly fantasy; it is just another medieval world.

And also stuff like this, potentially:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Happened_Here
It Happened Here shows an alternative history where the United Kingdom has been invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany.

The point is that the categories should be fitting not only for the current maps, which is already hard, but also for any maps that might be made in the future.

prastle

@Cernel ok
so fantasy is a genre as is futuristic guess ya need a third genre for alternate history like library

Black_Elk

I'd say if we have to define the terms we're using to describe these periods, then the terms probably aren't really functioning the way they should. Really needs to be something anyone can parse at glance. Maybe it would be better to just use combination descriptions if you want to cover multiple eras instead of trying to coin a new name, or resurrect a less familiar one?
Ancient/Classical or something similar would be more recognizable to English speakers than Antique for example. Or you could just give the dates covered. Fantasy/Sci-Fi as a larger umbrella might be easier than trying to give each of those a separate entry. When you leave them together there is less need to carve out a specific slot for space games vs sword and sorcery type stuff, aliens, time travel or whatever.

I do like the idea of the abstract or mini games being cordoned off. Still don't know how much value we get out of carving it up too much though. I mean, unless we're pushing a dozen maps that fit into the category, it's probably too nuanced.

I prefer the suggestion voiced earlier about Tags/filters. Sometimes the map names are very descriptive other times less so, and tags might help people to see what's what at a glance. Dont think we need to anticipate everything in advance, but the more games that end up in the catalog, the more useful something like this will prove in the future. So it would be cool to see something put together. Good call

prastle

@Black_Elk good ideas

Cernel

@Black_Elk said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

Ancient/Classical or something similar would be more recognizable to English speakers than Antique for example.

Well, Classical is a subset of Ancient, thus there Ancient alone would be already fine. The matter is that Antique is meant to mean "before Modernity", that is "before Renaissance", that is, as I said, the "Feral" age plus the "Primeval" age plus the "Ancient" age plus the "Medieval" age.

So, if we would use recognisable terms summed up, it should be called "Feral/Primeval/Ancient/Medieval".

Hepps

@Cernel LMFAO. OCD much?

Cernel

Ok. Maybe then it is better going all the opposite direction and use "Fictional" to represent really everything that can be regarded so except what is merely counterfactual, anachronistical or generally unhistorical:

1.Antique (until 1492)
/High Quality:
270BC
270BC Variants
/Good Quality:
Feudal Japan
/Experimental:
Age Of The Sturlungs
Ancient Times
Empire
Feudal Japan Warlords
First Punic War
Jurassic
Rome Total War
Total Ancient War

2.Revolutional (1492-1914)
/High Quality:
Civil War
Diplomacy
Napoleonic Empires
/Good Quality:
Caribbean Trade War
Domination
/Experimental:
Blue vs Gray
The Great Northern War

3.WW1 (1914-1929)
/High Quality:
Great War
/Good Quality:
Battle of Jutland
Domination 1914 No Mans Land
/Experimental:
1914-COW-Empires
Domination 1914 Blood And Steel
Domination 1914-Weltpolitik
New World Order 1915Lebowski

4.WW2 (1929-1945)
/High Quality:
Big World
New World Order
The Pact of Steel
The Rising Sun
Total World War
World At War
World War II Classic
World War II Europe
World War II Global
World War II Pacific
World War II Revised
World War II v3
World War II v4
World War II v5 1942
World War II v6 1941
/Good Quality:
Big World 2
Pacific Challenge
Red Sun Over China
Ultimate World
/Experimental:
Arnhem
Atari
Big World Variations
Classic Variations
D-Day
D-Day2
Eastern Front
Europe
Global 1940 Redesign HouseRules
Global War
Global War2
Iron War
New World Order Lebowski Edition
NWO Variants
Pacific
Pact of Steel Variations
Ultimate World Variants
World At War Variants
World War II Revised Variations
WW2 Philippines
WW2v3_11N
WW2v3_Variants

5.Recent (1945 today)
/High Quality:
.
/Good Quality:
Cold War
/Experimental:
Camp David
Cold War Asia1948

6.Multi-Age (at least two of the above fully covered)
/High Quality:
.
/Good Quality:
.
/Experimental:
.

7.Fictional (any mainly or totally fictional settings)
/High Quality:
Middle Earth
/Good Quality:
Age of Tribes
Battle of Aventurica
Dragon War
Greyhawk
Greyhawk Wars
Star Trek Dilithium War
Star Wars Galactic War
Star Wars Tatooine War
Twilight Imperium
/Experimental:
Elemental Forces
Game of Thrones
Invasion USA
Large Middle Earth
Neuschwabenland
Steampunk
Stellar Forces
Ur Quan War Masters Edition
War of the Lance
War of the Relics
World War2010
Zombieland

8.Abstract (maps not aiming at representing any settings)
/High Quality:
Capture the Flag
Minimap
/Good Quality:
.
/Experimental:
Hex Globe10
Tactics Campaign

So, please, take a look at the list and if you have alternative ideas for the category names, like a different name for "Fictional" that may fit better the description and the list, let us know.

Cernel

@Hepps Well, if the same thing is asked yet again, I guess I answer yet again (about the matter that category is meant to represent Feral+Primeval+Ancient+Medieval, and it is so because splitting up the 4 would make for very small categories, and I didn't come up with anything better than Antique).

Hepps

@Cernel I don't care anymore...you have proven yourself incapable of listening to what other people are saying. Despite multiple people making recommendations for English terms that people will recognize easily and immediately... you continually ignore what they are telling you because of a compulsive need for an organizational system so insanely specific, while at the same time creating names for things that no English speaking person would ever fathom to use under these circumstances.

I surrender.

prastle

@Cernel umm Feral? Like animals vs animals? do we have that? do they have rabies? Neat idea for a map tho. Guess ya mean zombies.

Cernel

Myself still would prefer "Early Modern" and "Late Modern" over "Revolutional" and "Recent". "Revolutional", in particular, I don't like. For the record, the other proposals so far are "Colonial", "Industrial" and "Gunpowder".

Cernel

@Hepps said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

@Cernel I don't care anymore...you have proven yourself incapable of listening to what other people are saying. Despite multiple people making recommendations for English terms that people will recognize easily and immediately... you continually ignore what they are telling you because of a compulsive need for an organizational system so insanely specific, while at the same time creating names for things that no English speaking person would ever fathom to use under these circumstances.

I surrender.

Wow. I've actually kept changing the names a lot, if you have followed. And I've also said that all names are open to be changed. The problem is that I need alternatives.

For "Antique", for example, either we go back splitting up, as I did initially, as you can see at the first post (but then we have very small categories), or I'm fine using like "Ancient/Medieval", if preferred.

But, for example, in the case of "Revolutional" aka "Early Modern" I've not an idea about what to use for that in case of "A/B/C"; nothing more, nothing less.

Cernel

@prastle said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

@Cernel umm Feral? Like animals vs animals? do we have that? do they have rabies? Neat idea for a map tho. Guess ya mean zombies.

For now, the only map of such a category is "Jurassic".

Cernel

Using the multiple names suggestion, we could have:

1.Primeval/Ancient/Medieval (until 1492)
2.???/Colonial/Steam (1492-1914)
3.WW1 (1914-1929)
4.WW2 (1929-1945)
5.Recent (1945 today)
6.Multi-Age (at least two of the above fully covered)
7.Fictional (any mainly or totally fictional settings)
8.Abstract (maps not aiming at representing any settings)

Those should be fairly understandable names. We can assume that Feral is part of Primeval.
I only need a name for 1492 before steam, and, if possible, something better than steam (not industrial, as it doesn't stop with WW1). I don't think Renaissance would be very good, as it is in the middle of Medieval and Early Modern, rather than the pre-steam part of Early Modern.
But an option would be to extend the timeline of one or the other to have all the Renaissance inside.

Cernel

@prastle The Feral category I believe is a minor matter, as such maps would have to be so fictional that can stay there. So "Jurassic" can be surely moved to Fictional. Still, even tho it doesn't exist yet, somebody might make a map before Ancient but with men (Primeval or Prehistory).

prastle

@Cernel a few minor edits

otherwise np but just mho of course
fic and abstract can be one cat
im also curious if we really need multi age just throw it in above
Since most here play historic games I also ? do we need recent
or could it all be tied into a futuristic stand point?

The main point im trying to get as is shouldnt we have as minimal a number of categories as possible?

Cernel

@prastle I think categories with few maps are in a way more needed than categories with many maps.
"Recent" is an example in that, if somebody wants to search for a "Cold War" scenario, it could click on that and get the few options, rather than having to delve to search for it. So, yes, I think Recent (1945-today) is good to have.
I'm not against merging "Fictional" and "Abstract", but I like having a category for maps with no setting at all, like HexGlobe.
I think 8 categories is really a number we don't need to go below.
The "Multi-Age" is just theory, as currently there are no maps at all in it, since I would put "Age of Tribes" in Fictional, mainly because of the East vs West thing.