💥 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread

[TheDog]

@johnnycat
As you were not specific, I have spent time looking for the problem, is it Singapore? You cannot place reinforcements there?

If so undo all your placements and it will allow you to place in Singapore.

Im on Windows and have never seen this problem, has it happened before?

[TheDog]

@JohnnyCat
Re the manual, I would say the individually the tool tips contain the most information, as they are "online".

The manual does not contain all the tool tip info, but does present it in a different way. It does list all the Unit Supports which is not in the tool tips.

From a learning curve point of view, printing the UNIT SUPPORTS , currently page 11 is a must.

does anyone object to me using it as a base for a new manual
No, use it as a basis for a new one.

[wc_sumpton]

@johnnycat, @TheDog

Look like there is a disconnect between the history (Game/Show History) and the Action panel. This would suggest that this is a save error, as the reload is consistent in showing the problem.

Cheers...

[JohnnyCat]

@thedog OK AWESOME.

I hope to have some finished product for you guys this week!!!

THANKS AGAIN FOR SUCH GREAT SUPPORT.

[JohnnyCat]

CANNOT PLACE THE FINAL 11 UNITS

Please see the file and let me know what I am missing.

It appears that Japan cannot place the final 11 units. Am I missing something?

If you UNDO the placement you can see that the game is not allowing me to place units after the 28 I placed.

WHY CANNOT PLACE THE FINAL 11 units.tsvg

To clarify - I CAN place the final 11 units on Japan - but not on other places that I did not place to and should be open for placement. Unless I am missing something. THANKS

[TheDog]

@johnnycat
Replied here
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3326/1941-global-command-decision-official-thread/870

[JohnnyCat]

ATTACK PROHIBITION RULE CLARIFICATION

Could someone please tell me where to find the list of prohibited attack types??

What I mean is that tool tips will say things like, "Can't Target Some Units."

So does anyone have list of these?

If I understand correctly, and despite the AI doing it anyway, strategic bombers cannot target sea units... At least I think that is the case. So why is the AI doing it anyway? Or am I not correct? I don't have a saved game showing this but I recall seeing the AI do use bombers in a sea attack.

In any case, you can see that I need to know exactly what units can and cannot attack what other unit types.

THANK YOU.
Johnny

[JohnnyCat]

@thedog OKIDOKI. I don't fully understand this save error but I will just ignore this as I have seen this only one time.

[JohnnyCat]

FINAL GAME PLAY QUESTION FOR TODAY

In the attached two files, the first battle has the air power ATTACK Manila

And in the second , the Air BOMBS Manila.

I want to use this as a game play example but I don't see much difference in the odds.

So my questions are:

1. In this scenario is it best to use the air to BOMB, or ATTACK, or some mix?

2. Do you guys have a better example of how to best advise players on which way to dedicate the air power?

Thanks

[JohnnyCat]

@johnnycat Here is an actual gameplay image showing the AI using strategic bombers in a naval attack.

Yet I thought that such bombers cannot attack sea units... Or are American bombers different?

[TheDog]

@johnnycat
canNotTarget
It is a shame that TripleA hides what the unit canNotTarget.
Most units cannot target air units with their normal attacks, so a Armor-Med would normally attack at 3, this is prevented and the AA attack is 1/12
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These are the canNotTarget values that are hidden, they come from the code/xml
canNotTarget All-Sea
Bomber (canNotTarget All-Sea units)

canNotTarget All-Infantry, but can target Motorized
HQ-Air
Fighter-Early
Fighter
Fighter-LongR
Fighter-Jet

canNotTarget All-Surface (but can target Submarines)
Convoy

canNotTarget Submarines
Nuclear-Bomber

The logic is the similar for these, but I have simplified it.
can only target surface ships
Kamikaze-Plane

can only target Industries & Base-Camp
V1-Rocket
V2-Rocket

[JohnnyCat]

@thedog OK thanks. SO why is the AI sending bombers on naval attacks?

[JohnnyCat]

WHAT IS INTENDED HERE?

To me, the "nuke" is either "caught on the ground" or is flying overhead.

But neither case makes sense.

If caught on the ground then why is the unit not destroyed?

If up in the air then why doesn't the Japanese take the territory?

I have to think players will get all excited about finally being able to catch this thing only to then be frustrated by the game just not making any sense in this particular case.

What am I missing? Or is this a bug in the logic ?

Of course I DO KNOW how to counter these super powerful units, and that is to flood the zone with fighters. And I can put that in the manual but I really feel this unit needs to have its immunity adjusted.

What are your thoughts?

[JohnnyCat]

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS

The force in Adelaide would naturally like to move into Sydney, but the game does not allow any of the forces to move there, EXCEPT THE ARMOR units.

WHY IS THIS?

INTERESTNIGLY those locked troops CAN load onto transports...

[TheDog]

@johnnycat
Your Manila example
As Japan does not have Blitzkrieg (all the extra +1 Atk with paired units like Fighters giving +1 to Bomber-Tac) this answer is for non-Blitzkrieg nations.

Blitzkrieg nations Fighters should support their Bomber-Tac in Bombing

Back to non-Blitzkrieg nations
Fighters will target non-Infantry, so in this example there are 2x Inf-Motorized, & Bunkers to attack.
If there were no non-Infantry, then I dont think it matters Bomb or Attack, I could be wrong?

[TheDog]

@JohnnyCat
Bomber post
Very recently, in the last year, maybe two, the xml function canNotTarget got fixed, because this map totally relies on its use to split normal and air combat into two separate Atk/Def values.

I will guess/assume that the AI ability to canNotTarget does not work as expected in this map, as the AI was intended to mirror A&A rules as much as possible.

So for now we have to live with it.

Besides Bombers targeting ships, other examples of poor AI unit use are V1, V2 rockets and Kamikaze targeting.

However to mitigate poor AI use of V1, V2 rockets and Kamikaze they are given for free for the AI use badly.

American Bombers are not different, like British Bombers move 8, the rest move 6.

[TheDog]

@johnnycat
More on canNotTarget

In the next release I have improved the tool tips and they now have entries like these.

For Bunkers & Inf-Conscript see red text

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For Fighters

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For Bombers

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For V1 & V2

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For Code Raiders the tooltips.properties file supports one line HTML so the following works

<br> <b> <p style="color:blue;">* Can only Attack surface sea units</p> </b>
<br> <b> <p style="color:red;">* Cannot target sea units</p> </b>

[TheDog]

@JohnnyCat

WHAT IS INTENDED HERE?
To me, the "nuke" is either "caught on the ground" or is flying overhead.
But neither case makes sense.
If caught on the ground then why is the unit not destroyed?
If up in the air then why doesn't the Japanese take the territory?

I agree neither makes sense.
Will do some testing, but time is short.
(Could be one for @wc_sumpton )

[TheDog]

@johnnycat said in 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread:

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS
The force in Adelaide would naturally like to move into Sydney, but the game does not allow any of the forces to move there, EXCEPT THE ARMOR units.
WHY IS THIS?

Adelaide is a contested area, so only move 2+ units can move.

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INTERESTNIGLY those locked troops CAN load onto transports...

Now that is interesting, dont think that is intended, so it could be an exploit of the rules.
I have never tried it.
(Could be one for @wc_sumpton )

[wc_sumpton]

@johnnycat said in 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread:

WHAT IS INTENDED HERE?
To me, the "nuke" is either "caught on the ground" or is flying overhead.
But neither case makes sense.
If caught on the ground then why is the unit not destroyed?
If up in the air then why doesn't the Japanese take the territory?
I have to think players will get all excited about finally being able to catch this thing only to then be frustrated by the game just not making any sense in this particular case.
What am I missing? Or is this a bug in the logic ?

None of the pictured units can hit the altera-high nuclear bomber.
-- Added by edit --
The next picture shows the American's turn. Adelaide is still considered contested, Pacific-Allies owned. Japan has scrambled a fighter and defeated the nuclear bomber while also losing the fighter. Because this was Americas turn, Japan cannot take control of Adelaide until the end of their turn. As a side note, because the Japanese fighter was scrambled into this battle, if they were to survive this air battle and because there is no land battle, it would have been returned back to its original territory, Sydney, since 062 Sea Zone dose not connect to Adelaide.
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@johnnycat said in 1941 Global Command Decision - Official Thread:

The force in Adelaide would naturally like to move into Sydney, but the game does not allow any of the forces to move there, EXCEPT THE ARMOR units.

Adelaide is contested (Pacific-Allies owned). In GCD contested territories cannot be captured until the end of the conquering players turn, this is to avoid a known bug. Ground units cannot disengage from an embattled territory, even if no enemy units are present and enter into another battle. They must first move into an allied owned territory. The armor unit can first move into Melbourne-Victoria then into battle at Sydney. Loading into a transport would not be considered entering into an embattled territory, if Japan had one in 061 Sea Zone the ground unit could load and move into 062 Sea Zone and unload to do battle in Sydney. If there were enough transport, and all the units left Adelaide, or these units moved to Japanese owned Melbourne-Victoria, leaving Adelaide vacant, then Pacific-Allies would regain control of Adelaide.

Cheers...