TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4
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@nothingtoseehere
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Hi, sorry for the intrusion but me and my friends are trying to learn 3.0.0.6 after months playing 2.8 and you seem to play that version
Subs were completely different...
Now sub attack with 3 and not 4 (subs are weaker)
Now sub defend with zero if joined with surface naval units (subs are weaker)
Now subs can be hit by any air units EVEN WITHOUT A SUPPORTING DES (subs are weaker)
Maybe the only good news is that sub movement cannot be blocked by any opponent's unit but being a sub so weak, why sould I be worried about blocking it ? -
Wanted to see your game and
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But I downloaded tha last aveilable version of TripleA ans still get thuis message !!
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Do you use a pre release ?
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@malmessi said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
Wanted to see your game and
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But I downloaded tha last aveilable version of TripleA ans still get thuis message !!
@malmessi said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
Do you use a pre release ?
Wich one ? Is it stable ?We are playing on a pre-release that is a subversion of triplea2.7. The exact one we are playing on can be found here. We are also testing a modified XML, that fixes the carrier bug and a few other issues the latest official tww version had, which is linked in the post here.
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@malmessi said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
Hi, sorry for the intrusion but me and my friends are trying to learn 3.0.0.6 after months playing 2.8 and you seem to play that version
Subs were completely different...
Now sub attack with 3 and not 4 (subs are weaker)
Now sub defend with zero if joined with surface naval units (subs are weaker)
Now subs can be hit by any air units EVEN WITHOUT A SUPPORTING DES (subs are weaker)
Maybe the only good news is that sub movement cannot be blocked by any opponent's unit but being a sub so weak, why sould I be worried about blocking it ?The version 3 changes to sub and destroyer mechanics were intended to make spamming subs less optimal and way less of a no-brainer. They are no longer the best cheap ship compared to destroyers, they are still cheaper for attacking and they are actually harder to get rid of on their own after improved destroyers than they were in versions 2.8 and earlier, and keep their first strike (at least on offense) past improved destroyers. But they no longer have attack 4, they simply suck for defense when they are part of a fleet. It definitely feels quite different playing with them and they get built quite a bit less especially after the opponent gets improved destroyers.
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@nothingtoseehere said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
. It definitely feels quite different playing with them and they get built quite a bit less especially after the opponent gets improved destroyers.That's why I wanted to see your game, to see the use of subs
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@malmessi said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
@nothingtoseehere said in TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4:
. It definitely feels quite different playing with them and they get built quite a bit less especially after the opponent gets improved destroyers.That's why I wanted to see your game, to see the use of subs
Like I wrote here:
We are playing on a pre-release that is a subversion of triplea2.7. The exact one we are playing on can be found here. We are also testing a modified XML, that fixes the carrier bug and a few other issues the latest official tww version had, which is linked in the post here.
So far, we have had no issues with its stability.You can download the triplea and tww XML versions, if you follow the links and then take a look.
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TripleA Move Summary: Turkey round 7
TripleA Move Summary for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 7 Combat Move - Turkey Some non-combat units are destroyed: 1 turkishInfantry moved from Eastern Turkey to Northern Iran Turkey take Northern Iran from Russia -
@ubernaut
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TripleA Turn Summary: Turkey round 7
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 7 Combat Move - Turkey Some non-combat units are destroyed: 1 turkishInfantry moved from Eastern Turkey to Northern Iran Turkey take Northern Iran from Russia Combat - Turkey Non Combat Move - Turkey 1 turkishSubmarine moved from 48 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 turkishAntiTankGun, 2 turkishArtillerys, 1 turkishCombatEngineer and 2 turkishInfantrys moved from Eastern Turkey to Turkey 1 turkishInfantry moved from Western Turkey to Turkey 1 turkishInfantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria 2 turkishInfantrys moved from Istanbul to Bulgaria Purchase Units - Turkey Turkey buy 1 turkishArtillery and 1 turkishInfantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Place Units - Turkey 1 turkishArtillery and 1 turkishInfantry placed in Turkey Turn Complete - Turkey Turkey collect 8 PUs; end with 9 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@ubernaut Germany is probably going to take a while yet.
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@nothingtoseehere no worries
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germany round 8
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 8 Research Technology - Germany Trigger germanaTIP: Germany gains access to ImprovedProduction Germany roll 11,3,9,4,11,10,5,12,7,5,8,8 and gets 1 hit Germany removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Germany discover AdvancedFighters Politics - Germany Germany spend 5 PUs on Political Action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden : rolling (1 out of 15) result: 7 = Failure! Germany fails on action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Some non-combat units are destroyed: 1 germanInfantry moved from Caucasus to Astrakhan Germany take Astrakhan from Russia 1 germanInfantry moved from Murmansk to Kola Penninsula Finland take Kola Penninsula from Russia 1 germanDestroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 germanStrategicBombers moved from Northern Germany to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 25 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys moved from Paris to Northern France 2 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Germany to Low Countries 1 germanInfantry moved from Western Karelia to Eastern Karelia 1 germanInfantry moved from Leningrad to Eastern Karelia 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Finland to Eastern Karelia 1 germanFighter moved from Belorussia to Eastern Karelia 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Eastern Germany to Low Countries 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Vichy France to Northern France 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Norway to Low Countries 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Northern Germany to Northern France 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern Germany to Low CountriesCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@ubernaut A few combats. No real decisions, but we can do it live, if you want to.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Finland round 8
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 8 Reconnaissance Missions - Finland Finland collect 0 PUs; end with 10 PUs Reinforcing - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 0 PUs; end with 12 PUs Counter Intelligence Operations - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 0 PUs; end with 10 PUs Research Technology - Germany Trigger germanaTIP: Germany gains access to ImprovedProduction Germany roll 11,3,9,4,11,10,5,12,7,5,8,8 and gets 1 hit Germany removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Germany discover AdvancedFighters Politics - Germany Germany spend 5 PUs on Political Action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden : rolling (1 out of 15) result: 7 = Failure! Germany fails on action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Some non-combat units are destroyed: Trigger germanMecht4: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanHvyTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanTank 1 germanInfantry moved from Caucasus to Astrakhan Germany take Astrakhan from Russia 1 germanInfantry moved from Murmansk to Kola Penninsula Finland take Kola Penninsula from Russia 1 germanDestroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 germanStrategicBombers moved from Northern Germany to 25 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 25 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys moved from Paris to Northern France 2 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Germany to Low Countries 1 germanInfantry moved from Western Karelia to Eastern Karelia 1 germanInfantry moved from Leningrad to Eastern Karelia 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Finland to Eastern Karelia 1 germanFighter moved from Belorussia to Eastern Karelia 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Eastern Germany to Low Countries 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Vichy France to Northern France 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Norway to Low Countries 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Northern Germany to Northern France 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern Germany to Low Countries Combat - Germany Battle in Low Countries Germany attack with 2 germanInfantrys and 4 germanNavalFighters ExiledAllies defend with 1 Flagpole; Britain defend with 2 britishInfantrys Germany roll dice for 2 germanInfantrys and 4 germanNavalFighters in Low Countries, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits ExiledAllies roll dice for 2 britishInfantrys in Low Countries, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,50 expected hits 2 britishInfantrys owned by the Britain lost in Low Countries Germany win, taking Low Countries from ExiledAllies with 2 germanInfantrys and 4 germanNavalFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Britain: 2 britishInfantrys Battle in 25 Sea Zone Germany attack with 1 germanDestroyer and 2 germanStrategicBombers Britain defend with 2 britishSubmarines Germany roll DepthChargeAttack dice in 25 Sea Zone : 0/3 hits, 0,25 expected hits 2 britishSubmarines owned by the Britain submerged Battle in Eastern Karelia Germany attack with 2 germanFighters and 2 germanInfantrys Russia defend with 1 Flagpole and 1 russianInfantry Germany roll dice for 2 germanFighters and 2 germanInfantrys in Eastern Karelia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianInfantry in Eastern Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 russianInfantry owned by the Russia lost in Eastern Karelia Germany winGermany winGermany win with 1 germanDestroyer and 2 germanStrategicBombers remaining with 1 germanDestroyer and 2 germanStrategicBombers remaining, taking Eastern Karelia from Russia with 2 germanFighters and 2 germanInfantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russia: 1 russianInfantry Battle in Northern France Germany attack with 2 germanInfantrys and 3 germanNavalFighters ExiledAllies defend with 1 Flagpole; Britain defend with 1 britishInfantry Germany roll dice for 2 germanInfantrys and 3 germanNavalFighters in Northern France, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1,58 expected hits ExiledAllies roll dice for 1 britishInfantry in Northern France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits 1 britishInfantry owned by the Britain lost in Northern France Germany win, taking Northern France from ExiledAllies with 2 germanInfantrys and 3 germanNavalFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Britain: 1 britishInfantry Non Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanMecht1: Setting isLandTransport to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger IncomeRegulationVichy1: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentYesVichy attached to VichyFrance Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting isInfrastructure to true for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting attack to 0 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy to FROM:Germany for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanMecht2: Setting isLandTransport to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanProd: Germany has 1 Material placed in Berlin 1 germanInfantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 1 germanInfantry moved from Lativa Estonia to Pskov 3 Trucks, 3 germanArtillerys, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Lativa Estonia to Smolensk 2 germanInfantrys and 2 germanMech.Infantrys moved from Belorussia to Smolensk 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Karelia to Orel Kursk 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Karelia to Eastern Finland 1 germanFighter moved from Orel Kursk to Kharkov 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Kharkov to Orel Kursk 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Southern Ukraine to Orel Kursk 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Eastern Germany to Orel Kursk 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Germany to Kharkov 1 germanAirTransport and 1 germanParatrooper moved from Vichy France to Morrocco 1 Material and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Algeria to Morrocco 1 germanMech.Infantry and 2 germanTanks moved from Morrocco to Algeria 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Algeria to Morrocco 1 germanFighter moved from Morrocco to Algeria 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern France to Southern Spain 2 germanSubmarines moved from 48 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Low Countries to Norway 3 germanInfantrys moved from Western Turkey to Turkey 2 germanTransports moved from 29 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 3 germanInfantrys moved from Finland to 28 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern Finland to 28 Sea Zone 4 germanInfantrys and 2 germanTransports moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 4 germanInfantrys moved from 27 Sea Zone to Northern Germany 1 germanInfantry moved from Murmansk to Western Karelia 2 germanStrategicBombers moved from 25 Sea Zone to Orel Kursk 1 germanFighter moved from Kharkov to Cyrenaica 1 germanTransport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Germany to 27 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanTransport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys moved from 26 Sea Zone to Norway 2 germanInfantrys moved from Berlin to Northern Germany 1 Train moved from Berlin to Southern Germany 1 Train and 1 germanAntiAirGun moved from Southern Germany to Northern Germany 1 Train moved from Northern Germany to Berlin 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Low Countries to Northern Germany 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern France to Northern Germany 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern France to Paris 1 germanArtillery moved from Eastern France to Paris 1 germanAirTransport and 1 germanParatrooper moved from Paris to Algeria 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Northern Spain to Vichy France 1 germanAntiAirGun and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Vichy France to Northern Spain 1 germanAntiTankGun and 5 germanInfantrys moved from Vichy France to Northern Spain 2 germanArtillerys and 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern Spain to Southern Spain 1 Train and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Romania to Northern Spain 1 Train moved from Northern Spain to Vichy France 2 germanInfantrys moved from Romania to 55 Sea Zone 2 germanInfantrys moved from 55 Sea Zone to Turkey 2 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Spain to Southern Spain 1 Train moved from Northern Germany to Austria 1 Train moved from Austria to Romania 1 germanAlpineInfantry, 1 germanAntiTankGun and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Eastern Finland to Western Karelia 1 Truck moved from Eastern Finland to Northern Norway 1 germanCombatEngineer moved from Orel Kursk to Smolensk 1 germanAntiAirGun and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Orel Kursk to Pskov 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 1 Truck and 1 germanAntiAirGun moved from Caucasus to Voronezh 1 Truck moved from Voronezh to Smolensk 2 Trucks, 1 germanAntiAirGun, 4 germanArtillerys, 1 germanCombatEngineer, 6 germanInfantrys, 10 germanMech.Infantrys and 7 germanTanks moved from Caucasus to Smolensk Purchase Units - Germany Germany buy 1 germanArtillery, 2 germanCombatEngineers, 8 germanInfantrys, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 1 germanSubmarine, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Place Units - Germany 1 germanCombatEngineer placed in Berlin 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry placed in Kharkov 4 germanInfantrys placed in Paris 1 germanSubmarine placed in 25 Sea Zone 3 germanInfantrys placed in Northern Germany 1 germanArtillery and 1 germanMech.Infantry placed in Belorussia 1 germanTank placed in Western Germany 1 germanTacticalBomber placed in Eastern Germany Activate Technology - Germany Germany activating AdvancedFighters Trigger japaneseIFR5: Setting givesMovement to 3:japaneseFighter for unitAttachment attached to germanAirfield Trigger japaneseIFR5: Setting givesMovement to 3:japaneseNavalFighter for unitAttachment attached to germanAirfield Trigger japaneseIFR6: Setting givesMovement to 3:japaneseNavalFighter for unitAttachment attached to germanCarrier Turn Complete - Germany Germany collect 71 PUs; end with 71 PUs Units generate 6 techTokens; Germany end with 6 techTokens Units Change Ownership Some Units in Algeria change ownership: 1 germanEntrenchment Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Morrocco change ownership: 1 Material, 2 germanCombatEngineers and 3 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchments Purchase Units - VichyFrance Trigger VichyMaterial: 1 Material gained by PlayerId named:VichyFrance VichyFrance buy 1 germanAntiAirGun and 2 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Place Units - VichyFrance 1 germanAntiAirGun placed in Algeria 1 Material and 2 germanInfantrys placed in Vichy France Turn Complete - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs Objective Algeria: VichyFrance met a national objective for an additional -2 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective Morrocco: VichyFrance met a national objective for an additional -2 PUs; end with 9 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Algeria change ownership: 1 germanAntiAirGun and 1 germanEntrenchment Some Units in Morrocco change ownership: 1 Material, 2 germanCombatEngineers and 3 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Vichy France change ownership: 1 Material and 2 germanInfantrys Purchase Units - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis buy 4 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Place Units - DanubeAxis 4 germanInfantrys placed in Romania Turn Complete - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs Some Units in Romania change ownership: 4 germanInfantrys Purchase Units - Finland Finland buy 3 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Place Units - Finland 3 germanInfantrys placed in Finland Turn Complete - Finland Finland collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Finland change ownership: 3 germanInfantrys Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchmentsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germany regular : 3,25 ExiledAllies regular : -0,75 Germany DepthChargeAttack : -0,25 Russia regular : -0,33 -
@ubernaut : finished :germany: go for :russia:
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TripleA Move Summary: Russia round 8
TripleA Move Summary for game: Total World War: December 1941 3.0
Game History
Round: 8 Research Technology - Russia Russia spend 0 on tech rolls Russia removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Russia discover AdvancedAntiAircraft Combat Move - Russia Trigger russianAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to russianAirTransport Trigger russianAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to russianAirTransport Trigger russianAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to russianAirTransport Trigger russianHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to russianHeavyTank Trigger russianTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to russianTank Trigger russianL4: Setting movement to 6 for unitAttachment attached to Train Trigger russianMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to russianMech.Infantry Trigger russianL2: Setting movement to 3 for unitAttachment attached to Truck Trigger AltayLLRussia1: Russia takes ownership of territory Altay 1 russianFighter moved from Urals to Eastern Karelia 1 russianFighter moved from Volgarod to Eastern Karelia 1 russianFighter moved from Volgarod to Astrakhan 1 russianStrategicBomber moved from Stalingrad to Eastern Karelia 1 russianFighter moved from Stalingrad to Astrakhan 2 russianMarines moved from Archangel to Eastern Karelia 2 russianInfantrys moved from Novgorod to Eastern Karelia 2 russianInfantrys moved from Southern Caucasus to Caucasus 2 russianInfantrys moved from Southern Caucasus to Astrakhan 3 russianAlpineInfantrys and 2 russianInfantrys moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Iran -
@nothingtoseehere no real decisions but a few battle if u r around want to run them live
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@ubernaut ok going to lobby
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