EXP G40 Game 3 Trout vs JCat
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Volgograd
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@beelee OMG !!!! I HAD NO IDEA. That changes everything. thanks
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@beelee I have a plan for Gibraltar that may surprise you a bit
For the 4 LM's, you laid them on the Poland/Slovakia border, I don't know if I will cross that border or not. Very common on the Soviet/G front for units to try to bypass if they can. G has bonuses for Caucasus, Volgograd, and Novgorod. In the rulebook of course. -
@trout Yea I would not be surprised to find nuclear weapons and starfleet command in Gibraltar. Seriously how you get pass the mines?
Anyway I RR 3 new land Mines between the Slovakia and Eastern Poland border (the blue mines) of course there are no German mines for that but plenty of Russian mines. Which says I am doing things way different than the devs thought up.
trout-cat-game-3-GERMANY_9_PROOF_27Beta.tsvg
So for the record: the ENTIRE REASON I want to play this game is to prove your earlier statement about this mod being unique actually being TENABLE.
I want your statement to be true and huge armies in the Middle East or wherever is a fun and interesting game to play.
I've been trying to define that thin line between keeping the axis alive long enough to actually do cool new stuff and the basic concept that I should be able to block the soviets long enough - but I might be wrong.
Otherwise we might as well play G40 and call it checkers cause that is what that game really is if there is no room for new creativity that works.
So hopefully I will get a few more turns to put some of this stuff together - and sure let's see the bring Rock of Gibraltar Surprise (DOES IT MOVE ?)
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@johnnycat Checkers this game is not. Maybe Grandmaster Chess .... maybe. I have seen some crazy strategies but have never seen this monstrous pile of Nazi orcs crawling up and down the Arab desert. Well, at the moment, there's no way for my comparatively modest stacks in Egypt and Caucasus to compete with that so Middle East is yours sir. Whether you can keep the Allies away from Berlin while that happens?? Well, I don't know the answer to that just yet.
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@trout and THAT is the key question that needs answering.
And the disposition of my wife/ex/future wife/future ex lol. That’s a question I need answered too but not soon.
Not soon for either question I hope.
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@johnnycat Well, with regards to keeping Berlin safe, you succeeded this turn. FYI, for the Slovakia attack, I rolled for the 3 LMs and none hit. But your AAA did shoot down one fighter plane
I think we finally made it past R9, so Japan is up.
Game HistoryRound: 9 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 Mass_Tankss, 1 TankDestroyerFS, 4 TotalWar_Bombers, 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s and 1 elite; Remaining resources: 11 PUs; 0 AirLendLease; 3 TankLendLease; Combat Move - Russians Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRussians: Russians has 1 R_Europe_Rail and 2 Russian_Rails placed in Russia Trigger ItalyUser: Changer has 1 ItalyUser placed in Southern Italy Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Russians takes Bulgaria from Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland Russians take Finland from Germans 1 armour moved from Archangel to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States 1 Army_Conscript moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States 1 Army_Conscript moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 1 Army_Conscript moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania EDIT: 1 2ndCorps moved from Eastern Poland to 2nd Corps EDIT: 2 armour moved from 2nd Corps to Romania EDIT: 1 guard_infantry moved from 2nd Corps to Romania EDIT: 1 Soviet_Commisar_3 moved from Overflow to Romania EDIT: 1 russian_para moved from Caucasus to Bulgaria 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 1 Elitearmour moved from Belarus to Romania 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Poland 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Poland 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 1 FighterAce moved from Belarus to Slovakia Hungary 2 armour moved from Belarus to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Poland 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Slovakia Hungary Combat - Russians Battle in Romania Russians attack with 1 Elitearmour, 1 Soviet_Commisar_3, 2 armour, 1 guard_infantry and 4 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 3 infantry Russians win, taking Romania from Germans with 1 Elitearmour, 1 Soviet_Commisar_3, 2 armour, 1 guard_infantry and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun and 3 infantry Battle in Poland Russians attack with 2 Army_Conscripts, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 2 Army_Conscripts, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 Army_Conscript, 3 armour and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 elite Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 3 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Russians: 1 Army_Conscript Casualties for Germans: 1 elite Battle in Slovakia Hungary Changer loiter and taunt; Russians attack with 1 FighterAce, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; Changer defend Russians win, taking Slovakia Hungary from Germans with 1 FighterAce, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Remove All Wolfpack: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 95 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Russians Trigger Wolfpack at112 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 112 Sea Zone Trigger Wolfpack at95 SeaZones: Germans has 1 Wolfpack placed in 95 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 R_Europe_Rail and 1 Russian_Rail owned by Russians in Russia Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 Russian_Rail owned by Russians in Volgograd 2 armour moved from Belarus to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia 1 russian_para moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 1 russian_para moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 1 russian_para moved from Russia to Caucasus 1 TankDestroyerFS moved from Volgograd to Caucasus 1 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus 1 armour moved from Russia to Volgograd 1 armour moved from Urals to Archangel 1 artillery moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Caucasus 1 FighterAce, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 2 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from Poland to Eastern Poland EDIT: 1 russian_minor moved from Bryansk to Eastern Poland 3 armour moved from Russia to Belarus 1 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus 2 armour moved from Russia to Volgograd 2 aaGuns moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 Russian_Rail moved from Russia to Belarus 1 Russian_Rail and 1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Volgograd 1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 elite moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 1 elite moved from Russia to Samara Place Units - Russians 3 Mass_Tankss, 4 TotalWar_Bombers, 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s and 1 elite placed in Russia 1 TankDestroyerFS placed in Novgorod Trigger RussiansTotalWarBomberPlaceRussia4: has removed 4 TotalWar_Bombers owned by Russians in Russia Trigger MassTanksPlace3: has removed 3 Mass_Tankss owned by Russians in Russia Trigger RussiansTotalWarTankPlaceRussia6: has removed 3 TotalWar_Tank_2s owned by Russians in Russia Trigger RussiansTotalWarBomberPlaceRussia4: Russians has 4 bombers placed in Russia Trigger MassTanksPlace3: Russians has 3 armour placed in Russia Trigger RussiansTotalWarTankPlaceRussia6: Russians has 3 armour placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Trigger RussiansParaBoost atBulgaria: Russians has 1 russian_paraBoost placed in Bulgaria Russians collect 50 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 81 PUsf6829073-9020-4ab4-803f-316520233a40-trout-cat-game-3-r9.tsvg
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@trout Good Morning
I'm working on the Japs now - damn this game is complex.
You bought one of those fighter aces or the game give you one?
DAMN you have all the cool stuff - How do I shoot down your fighter ace or is that always protected? I see I can get ME262s, cool but seems not useful..
This is game is so very cool - I just need to learn to survive till turn 15 or so. and I need to start better - you taking West Germany early fked up my factory there back to small.
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@johnnycat The game rules are that when AAA gets a hit, the attacker gets to choose the casualty so the Ace will always survive in those situations. For Fighter Aces, Soviets can only build one and those Nazis can build three. So Aces favor you more than me. They are double hitters and cost 11 so it's a good buy. An issue that one always has playing G is they have so much cool stuff that they can purchase and you can't buy everything so have to make choices
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@trout but I want EVERYTHING DAD!
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@johnnycat I have three boys so I have heard that many times!
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@trout I KNOW MATE ! that's why I said it that way, heehee
Hey I just got email from Janice - turns out she is mad at me because she thought I stole a bunch of items from her house - which is troubling because she suspected me first and I did not take anything.
But I feel better knowing that she is well and can communicate with me again - I have to believe that we will work this out.
Anyway I am still thinking about Japan 9 and have a plan but those darn naval mines better start blowing up some ships...
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@johnnycat Good evening sir. Before USA considers your invite to enter SZ 6, they request that you redo your turn because we see 10 navy fighters there and the maximum allowed per rules is 8. So for carrier-based fighters, the rules are:
- G can build two
- UK can build four
- J can build eight and limited to Pacific only
- USA can build eight and limited to Pacific only
- All of them can only be used to and from carriers - if they cannot land on a carrier, they die at end of turn because no carrier for them to land on
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@trout OMG. how many YEARS did it take for you to learn this game.
I just spent an hour trying to figure out if I have to blow up factories that I don't care if you take. And I still don't know.
But ok I will check this and figure out how this happened. I recall getting some gifts but who knows. I'll keep to 8
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I am still having fun but I feel I should speak out now.
So I think there is no way for the axis to win without modifying this game MUCH MORE
Suggestions (for our game for example)
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The USA/UK must attack the neutrals by turn 10 or whatever - the axis need the benefit for the game to be interesting otherwise it is just too easy for the allies to win.
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And there should be some way to force more cool stuff upon the both Axis powers. Where are the thousands of Jap mini subs?
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Where are the HItler youth and wire-guided anti-tank missiles, etc.
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And what do fighter aces do versus ME262s. None of that makes any sense to me for the axis because it is never going to make sense financially. So I suggest we Make it easier by giving the axis special fighter groups - so no need to try and balance limited funds.
What do you guys think? I want to keep playing this game but would love to start another where I crush it as the allies again because I fully feel the balance is to the allies.
Anyway just some thoughts... GOOD NIGHT
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@johnnycat Good morning JC. My thoughts are:
- No to modifying the game. Will hurt your learning curve and believe it or not the Axis has a slight advantage in this game but it's very slight.
- For a beginner it's easier to play Allies since they have alot more dough to start off with and you get to see how things play out a bit before Commies and Hot Dog-eaters enter the battle.
- Axis, it takes awhile to figure out how to use those two big advantages it has. First, G has a huge number of special killer units. Secondly, J starts off with a large navy and ridiculously large air force.
- I do agree with you that this game is headed for an Allied victory most likely. Because you really smoked me big time in our first game, I played my very best in this game and that's what you got from me.
- You are welcome to surrender if you want. I have frustrated Beelee a few times when I surrendered around where the game is now if I could see no path to victory. It's really up to you because I want to help you learn.
- I think it may benefit you for the next game to be you playing Allies since with your big Pacific trick which I wasn't prepared for, you didn't really get a feel for playing somebody as the Allies past a few turns.
Anyway, just let me know what you decide sir
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@trout OK well First off: THANK YOU for your comments.
Second : I did say that I still want to continue this - and if the pace slows down or, better yet you invade Spain, I might have a chance
And yes I sure do need more experience.
But WE gotta play this BBR now too!
Here is me crushing the Pacific as the allies, the jap player has his entire fleet cowering in the southwest...
There are big tournaments for this game and you get 6 hours to play it and 8 turns ! Plenty of additional units and rules that, like our game, opens up plenty of possibilities Just a thought...
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@johnnycat Game is definitely not completely lost for you. You have huge stacks in Middle East and Indochina and I don’t have any idea what I should do about them exactly. Okay I will get started on the Allied triple play turn when I have a chance. Lots of honey-dos for me today
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