Total World War: December 1941 (BETA) 2.8.0.5

[redrum]

@hepps @zlefin Oh, I thought we had decided to leave sub AA attack to be only on the first round. If its every round then I'd agree they are probably too strong now.

[Hepps]

@redrum Did you fix it Red? Or had you just found the issue?

Just want to know whether I still need to address it.

[Hepps]

@redrum Yes I had intended to leave it for one round only. But it appears in my zeal to add the infinite rolls to everything else I must have changed the subs at the same time.

[redrum]

@hepps I didn't fix anything yet as wasn't sure if you had many any changes locally that you hadn't pushed to github and didn't want to conflict with you. I'd say at a minimum here are probably the needed changes for 2.8.0.4:

1. Fix L&L trains in Eastern Szechwan (probably good to double check the rest of train L&L)
2. Change subs AA back to just 1 round
3. Reduce BB bombard a bit to probably 2x4 or 2x5

I can make those changes if you want. Didn't want to change/fix anything without at least getting your thoughts.

[zlefin]

that reminds me of a technical question I was wondering: is it possible to have bombard damage be affected by the terrain? much like how the terrain support attachments affect combat values? it seems weird at times that bombardment is equally effective vs an open coast as it is vs a mountain jungle island.

'twas fun getting to play a game again.

[redrum]

@zlefin Not currently. Right now there are only 4 territoryEffect options:

combatOffenseEffect	values: the name of the unit, and the count of how much offense you want to give this unit
combatDefenseEffect	values: the name of the unit, and the count of how much defense you want to give this unit
noBlitz				values: the names of the units that can't blitz through this territoryEffect, can be multiple units (separated by a colon ":")
unitsNotAllowed 		values: the names of the units that are not allowed into or through this territoryEffect, can be multiple units (separated by a colon ":")

But its probably a good feature request and would probably be rather easy to add if a map maker was interested in using it.

[CrazyG]

@redrum
I'm interested in it, and I'm 99% sure Hepps would be as well

[Hepps]

@crazyg and @zlefin Yes this would be a neat little addition. It would allow for more flexibility in both unit and map design and makes perfectly logical sense.

[Hepps]

@redrum It would also be really cool if a territoryEffect could consume additional movement of specific units rather than simply block blitz. The block blitz has always been of limited usefulness and produces curious behaviors since multi move units are not always necessarily blitzing when a territory effect should be slowing the units movement or limiting its range.

Moving through a forest or Jungle with a tank should slow its movement or potential range whether you own the territory or not and regardless of whether you are doing it in combat or non combat moves.

[zlefin]

as a reminder on the list of changes to make it'd be helpful if you could set the TUV value for the damaged battleship to something, maybe 11-ish. right now a damaged battleship counts as 0 TUV, compared to the full battleships 22-ish tuv. that, combined with the engine default to take hits first on 2hp units (which is a bad default rule here, first time we have a multi-hp unit that gets worse when damaged), throws off the tuv estimates in the battle calc. which is annoying, and would really screw over the ai if it could play the map, since it relies on those numbers.

mostly though it's just handy for the rest of us if the battlecalc numbers are more accurate.

[Hepps]

@zlefin Tell you what... the day the AI can play this... I'll be your huckleberry.

[zlefin]

what si the list of missing ai capabilities that prevent it from playing tww properly? I can think of quite a few offhand, but it's always nice to see a complete list.

[Hepps]

The gracious and glorious @redrum has offered to help with the changes so they should be up-loaded to GIT Hub today.

ALL HAIL RED!

I will be changing the name of the thread to 2.8.0.4 as soon as all the changes are done. Once you see the thread name change you know you can re-download the game.

[Hepps]

Here is the Appendix with the revisions. It shall be added to the new download.

[prastle]

@hepps Woot! Starts a cheering section for redrum

[Hepps]

Just want to say thank you for all the help and input from everybody on the last couple rounds of more ambitious changes.

I realize that many of the changes take the game further away from generally "accepted" rule structures. But I think with continued examination and refinement we shall end up with a game that has a truly superior and dynamic play style.

[redrum]

2.8.0.4 is live. Here is the PR with the changes: https://github.com/triplea-maps/total_world_war/pull/8.

Summary

• Fix L&L trains in Eastern Szechwan
• Change subs AA back to just 1 round
• Change BB bombard to 2x5 and BB-damaged bombard to 1x5
• Set BB-damaged TUV to 17
• Set ACC-damaged TUV to 16
• Set H.Tank-damaged TUV to 7
• Update notes appendix images

** There is an engine bug that needs to be addressed so that non-purchaseable units properly read the manual TUV XML option

[prastle]

@redrum on it boss
like Hepp's @ the massage parlor

[Hepps]

@prastle Every rub deserves a little tug.

[prastle]

@hepps All bots updated