Total World War: December 1941 (BETA) 2.8.0.5

Ondis

Ah yes, first strike yup. No worries then, just semantics. Love the reduced combat capability of units once hit. Hadn't thought of that.
I like the train addition but for a simpler game I would like it to be optional. I'd love to have it on PBEM but it would clutter a bit too much on an online game for me.

Hepps

@ondis The AA ability for armour & AT Guns are first strikes verses other mechanized units... not against aircraft.

If you read the actual game notes it is much clearer.

Hepps

@redrum I like "Targeted Attack". Works really well to separate out the different attack types. I think I just recycled the term "AA" because it is how all of it is described in the XML.

Ondis

So is the big change then that the AA/First Strike/Targeted Attack thing works in all combat rounds? Is that in addition to the normal defense values?

Doesn't this provide a very large combat boost to all units affected then? I've not played TWW since November (not had time until now) but in past versions is it true that it only worked for the first round? How has this then been balanced and won't it weaken mobile forces a lot?

I see for example AT used to be 1/3 now its 1/1. But do consider that in a forrest that 1/1 is bumped to 1/2. I.e. a 100 percent increase as compared to a 33 percent earlier, in addition to the constant First Strike.

redrum

@ondis Yeah, that is the major change. Units with "Targeted Attacks" use them every combat round not just round 1 but most of them were made weaker per round and many of the units had their defense reduced. It seems relatively balanced for the initial test games we've played.

Hepps

@ondis In most cases the combat efficiency of units with AA type attacks and defenses has been reduced to compensate for the infinite rounds of AA. So far the balance changes have been negligible. In fact so far it appears as though the changes make the intended use for the specialized units more pronounced and reinforced their situational benefits.

Ondis

Just added a small note as you wrote yours. It seems balanced on a first glance but there might be some things to consider in terms of terrain advantage.

@hepps. Yup. Liked that aspect of it. You may now be able to switch the strategic plan by changing the purchasing patterns to better exploit weaknesses in the enemy composition.

General_Zod

@redrum Also all the AAgun related global game properties are linked to it. And it uses separate rolls and even dice.

It's actually kind of messy as is.

redrum

@ondis In general, the total amount matters more than percent increase. Now that target attacks hit every round, adding it with the standard defense and terrain modifiers gives you the total amount its rolling against. The targeted attack portion is usually a bit more valuable but gives you a ballpark. Comparing that to the previous first round only target attack and previous defense should give an idea of balance. Terrain effects should essentially be the same.

@General_Zod Yeah, in the XML and properties it would be very difficult to rename and its a mess. Though how we discuss it as players and in manual/notes could use better terms which maybe some day make it back into the XML.

spartan

@Hepps Thumbs up, glad to have the tech tab back and thanks for implementing the train changes. Especially curious, how US changes would effectuate.

In addition: I liked your proposal about disabled tracks for captured territories you uttered the other day - may be something to add to your list?

Hepps

@redrum Yes I was referring to the terminology I/we use to describe it more so than attempting to change the code anytime soon. From what I remember from past conversations is that the code is a quagmire. (and not the good kind of giggidy Quagmire)

General_Zod

@hepps Giggidy

Hepps

@spartan Yes. There is a new feature request (much to Reds chagrin) relating to the damage of infrastructure on capture. I didn't add it to the list of new features within the game since it seems a little presumptuous to assume that just because I mentioned it, it will be done. However, that being said, if this feature is developed it will be implemented about 15 minutes after it is added to the engine.

redrum

@hepps 15 minutes! Can I hold you to that?

Hepps

@redrum You may. If the feature ends up being worded the way its suggested.... I could go as low as 45 seconds.

Hepps

Well I've got some good news and some bad news...

The good news is all my changes are operational.

the bad news is I am out of new features to add to this further.

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prastle

@redrum hehe

Hepps

Sorry ran into a bit of a snag.

Would anyone know why this is returning an error?

<attachment name="triggerAttachmentgermanAirtraninfra1" attachTo="Germany" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.TriggerAttachment" type="player">
  <option name="trigger" value="conditionAttachmentDummyCondition"/>
  <option name="unitType" value="germanAirTransport"/>
  <option name="unitProperty" value="isInfrastructure" count="false"/>
  <option name="unitProperty" value="attack" count="1"/>
  <option name="when" value="before:germanyCombatMove"/>
</attachment>
<attachment name="triggerAttachmentgermanAirtraninfra2" attachTo="Germany" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.TriggerAttachment" type="player">
  <option name="trigger" value="conditionAttachmentDummyCondition"/>
  <option name="unitType" value="germanAirTransport"/>
  <option name="unitProperty" value="isInfrastructure" count="true"/>
  <option name="unitProperty" value="destroyedWhenCapturedFrom" count="Germany"/>
  <option name="unitProperty" value="attack" count="0"/>
  <option name="when" value="after:germanyNonCombatMove"/>
</attachment>

redrum

@hepps What error are you seeing?

General_Zod

@hepps Haha, what about the tech model tests? Maybe it can turn into a companion mod for those whos dislike dumb luck deciding the direction of the game.

At worst you will have proven what model would work for GD before mass production.