Crazy Europe: House of Habsburg

[CrazyG]

@cernel
I plan to change the land names from the numbered version to actual location names

[Cernel]

@crazyg Ok, well, then I don't think having "X Sea Zone", with X being a number, may be an issue, as only the sea zones would still be numbered (thus would be listed before all territories), unless you plan to name the sea zones too.
I guess you are talking about your WWI game, not this one, as that would be a massive effort to find names for everything and checking it being fine for more than 4 centuries ago.
But, as I said, I think you should make a feature request about it, and I agree with it, even tho I've no problem with the standard of ending in Sea Zone, but it shouldn't be mandatory.

[Hepps]

@crazyg

Wouldn't this make more sense? Then you could have the strait represented at it narrowest point.

[Cernel]

@hepps Yah, I'd agree it should be that. Since the late middle ages it is possible to have cannons able to sink ships moving through the Marmara straits, tho it is not a sure thing as a canal blocking.

[Cernel]

Regarding those straits, another advice is allowing normal land movement between Turkey02 - Turkey06 and Turkey03 - Turkey04.
Those straits are narrower than a lot of big rivers; so, in the moment you don't have the Danube, the Dnepr, etc., on the map, then those should be simply land connected too, for coherency.

[Cernel]

Uhm, I was thinking about the Turkish straits myself, sorry. For the Kerch Strait, that is too wide to matter for this timeline. Still I would agree having that sea border. Seems the most natural way to draw it.

[CrazyG]

@hepps
I agree

@Cernel
Connections added in the newest version.

[Hepps]

Sea of Azov changes done.

[Cernel]

@crazyg Also, on the other hand, you may want to consider having canals dynamics for 184-190-191.
This is a tuff one, as canals are very strong, and it may overvalue the ability to close the straits at that time, but the Turks were indeed able to do something the like, with very big cannons.
A compromise might be to require having both sides to block sea movement, but that would be not that right, either, as you just need to a 1 side to put a big cannon on it and shoot at the ships passing through.
On this matter, I really don't know; as having a canal would be too much, as the Venetians were able to pass the Dardanelles, despite the Turks having both sides, but having nothing is too little.
The correct way to do it would be to invest in costly stuff to block sea movement from the shores of a strait, and getting a sort of AA shot for it each time a hostile ships tries to pass through; but, as we all know, that is not supported.

[Hepps]

Ok so a bit more work than I had hoped for.

France is now done with a couple other isolated areas...

France before...

Taking a break and will get back to it later.

[Hepps]

Making more head way.... but as I was zooming out to get a glimpse of the overall picture something dawned on me....

since the Sea Zones are square.... and the Land territories are all jagged.... would make sense to visually differentiate the Coastal Waters by making them rounded.

Let me know.... since I have to re-draw them either way.

[CrazyG]

@hepps
I agree. They were supposed to be rounded from the beginning, if you wanted to remove things like the pointy bits they sometimes have (the french picture has one) it would make sense too

[redrum]

@hepps The rounded ones look better but then it makes me want the land territories to be a bit more rounded as well.

[CrazyG]

I'm a beggar, and therefore can't be a chooser, but I agree with redrum, the rounder shapes just look better in general

[CrazyG]

I want to begin the process of changing the names, and I'm asking the members of TripleA for help.

If you are knowledgable about a certain area of Europe, please offer name suggestions in this google doc.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WlcjYfF2-p46yBz3kq2y_9RWWMQZBztyXeZi7zi2rJI/edit?usp=sharing

Put your name at the top of a column and offer suggestions. You can offer more than one if you like. I'm in favor of well known names, even if they aren't quite historically correct.
I put a few up, which are primarily major cities.

[CrazyG]

I updated a new BETA version today. Changelog

-Unit set up drastically changed
-Venice made weaker, Poland made stronger
-Far more villages than before
-Some territory values changed

-Crossbows removed
-Horsemen removed
-Muskets now give enemy pikemen or knights -1 attack, -1 defense
I call this "suppress", its supposed to be the opposite of support.
-Knights -1 attack
-Pikemen get +1 defense if the enemy has a knight (1:1 ratio)
Its flavorful and helps make the pikemen more interesting

Castles can now be placed anywhere, max of one per territory (as originally intented)

[redrum]

@crazyg As a heads up, if you want players to be prompted that there is a new download version available then you need to just increment the entry in the yaml file: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/blob/master/triplea_maps.yaml

[Hepps]

@crazyg I like it C to the G.

Big map. Lots of room to play. Just muddled around with it for a short while but my initial reaction is that I like the relative purchasing power verses vast expanse of territory.

Needs more play time before getting too wound up about starting units and placements and what-not. Glad you are trying to get the European community to help with the naming. Smart move. I shall fill out a portion of the Google Doc with the historic locations of Hepplonia and its vassal states when I have some time.

[prastle]

@hepps lol at the Heppalonia

[alkexr]

@crazyg I named some areas I feel confident about. Note that the names are for the Habsburg map only, some of them would be inaccurate or offensive for a WWI map.