Terms: bombing - Resolved -

Mahks

This is the first of several term based issues. Throughout POS2, the wiki and the engine, there are terms used in contradictory and confusing ways. The worst is bombing:

I have found these:

air attack
air raid
air attack
raids
strategic bomb
Strategic Bombing
Strategic Bombing raids
SBR
bombing
bombard
naval bombard

Some of these are used to refer to both naval bombardment and SBR.

I would like to use one term for each situation.
Naval bombardment seems the best.
But for SBR I would like to hear what the consensus is.

Hepps

@mahks Naval Bombard and Bombing (whichever of the other terms) are not really the same thing at all.

CrazyG

Do you think you we could move all these separate questions to just one thread?

Sometimes escort, scramble and intercept can be confusing but bombard and bombing seem clear to me.

General_Zod

@mahks

I think naval bombard or NB and strategic bombing raid or SBR are most accurate terms.

Mahks

@crazyg The idea was to have separate threads so we could um... keep them separate.

That way when a question is resolved I could change the title to include "Resolved" and users could just view the ones that are still under discussion.

Maybe even delete the topic once resolved?

Mahks

@general_zod I agree.

Should the abbreviations be used? I can see why we would use them in the forum or chat, but in the documentation?

I feel it is probably better to spell them out. Maybe on the page for each I show the common abbreviation. ie; on the naval bombardment page: Naval Bombardment (NB)

NB is also not very descriptive...

Mahks

@hepps All those terms refer to 3 things only:

air attack
naval bombardment
Strategic bombing raid

Or am I missing something?

General_Zod

@mahks

Yeah spelled out seems best.

redrum

@mahks You essentially have 3 things:

Air battle (air attack, air defense, intercept, etc) - this is when you have escorts, intercepts, bombers fight before bombing
Bombing (aka. SBR, strategic bombing raid, etc) - this is when AA fires at bombers and bombers roll damage facilities
Bombard (aka. naval bombard) - ships like battleships can bombard enemy land units during an amphibious assault

General_Zod

@Mahks

FYI: Scrambles are also a separate thing from air battle. It allows isAir to engage all units in main battle from a neighboring territory or sea zone.

Cernel

@mahks I would drop the "strategic", and just call them "bombing raids". Almost anything in TripleA is "strategic" (I know that was used to differentiate stand-alone bombing).

Mahks

So we have 4 terms:

Air Attack
Scramble
Bombing Raid (SBR)
Naval Bombardment (NB)

Are we agreed?

or just forget the abbreviations?

Cernel

@mahks If one is called "Naval Bombardment (NB)", I would call the other "Air Bombing Raid (ABR)".

General_Zod

@mahks

Actually Air Battle is better, since it includes interceptors which are actually on defending side. It also includes escorts who are attackers.

The rest are acceptable. Although Strategic makes SBR acronym work.

Mahks

Just had a thought, what about non WW2 maps, ie; space, fantasy & historical.

Are we going to run into the same issue as with AA, where it is not necessarily anti aircraft fire?

In that thread we are discussing 'first strike' or 'targeted strike' rather than AA fire, so as to have a wider scope.

General_Zod

@mahks

It's possible someone gets really creative with these options. But that's on the mapmaker to dream up.

Mahks

XML schema (meaning element names NOT stuff in comments) contains these references to SBR :

"Limit SBR Damage Per Turn"
"Limit SBR Damage To Factory Production"
"SBR Victory Points"

All other references seem to use 'bombing'.

General_Zod

@mahks

Air Battle (AB)
Scramble
Strategic Bombing Raid (SBR)
Naval Bombardment (NB)

The terms above are fine imo. Dropping strategic would ruin our well known acronym. I think most will immediately get the gist of what this refers to.

Mahks

@general_zod That gets my vote

redrum

@general_zod said in Terms: bombing:

@mahks

Air Battle (AB)
Scramble
Strategic Bombing Raid (SBR)
Naval Bombardment (NB)

The terms above are fine imo. Dropping strategic would ruin our well known acronym. I think most will immediately get the gist of what this refers to.

I'm fine with those as well. You could probably drop "naval" and just have "bombardment" if you want. In theory, some day we could expand the "bombardment" concept to allow land/air units to perform it for adjacent territories.