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    • redrumR Offline
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      TripleA Turn Summary: Rohan round 1

      TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

      Game History

      Round: 1
      
          Combat Move - Rohan
              1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia moved from Hornburg to Westfold
      
          Purchase Units - Rohan
              Rohan buy 1 bowman, 2 kings_companys and 4 riddermark_militias; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
      
          Combat - Rohan
              Battle in Westfold
                  Rohan attack with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia
                  Orcs defend with 1 warg_scout
                      Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.58 expected hits
                      Orcs roll dice for 1 warg_scout in Westfold, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                      Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.58 expected hits
                      Orcs roll dice for 1 warg_scout in Westfold, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                      1 warg_scout owned by the Orcs lost in Westfold
                  Rohan win, taking Westfold from Orcs with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                  Casualties for Orcs: 1 warg_scout
      
          Non Combat Move - Rohan
              1 bowman moved from Hornburg to Helms Deep
              1 helming_warrior moved from Hornburg to Glittering Caves
              1 helming_warrior moved from Hornburg to Starkhorn
              1 helming_warrior moved from Dunharrow to Glittering Caves
              1 bowman moved from Hornburg to South Fangorn
              2 bowmen and 3 riddermark_militias moved from Dunharrow to Snowbourn
              3 bowmen and 6 riddermark_militias moved from Edoras to West Emnet
              1 bowman and 2 riddermark_militias moved from Aldburg to Entwade
              2 bowmen moved from Firienholt to Entwade
              2 eorling_riders moved from East Emnet to The Wold
              1 eorling_rider moved from Eastfold to The Wold
              1 eorling_rider moved from Aldburg to The Wold
              2 eorling_riders moved from West Emnet to The Wold
              1 rohirric_scout moved from West Emnet to The Wold
              3 kings_companys moved from Edoras to Entwade
      
          Place Units - Rohan
              1 bowman, 2 kings_companys and 4 riddermark_militias placed in Edoras
      
          Turn Complete - Rohan
              Rohan collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
      

      Combat Hit Differential Summary :

      Orcs : -0.33
      Rohan : -0.17
      

      Savegame

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      • redrumR Offline
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        That 1 orc warg scout winning that battle @40% to block the attack on Sarumen is like a 150 TUV swing move. Definitely doesn't feel good on turn 1. Not sure if that is just an extremely risky move by Sarumen that is probably a bad idea or if the starting positions need tweaked. But that 1 battle to block it probably kept this game alive as otherwise I think Sarumen lost half of its units turn 1.

        Also I think the placements for Helms Deep need fixed as it appears the first unit is invisible.

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        • alkexrA Offline
          alkexr @redrum
          last edited by alkexr

          @redrum You made a mistake, and that evens out the mistake I made with Saruman. I think balance-wise we are roughly on the correct track. (You should have sacrificed a huorn to take Westfold, it was clearly important enough.)

          If Saruman doesn't make a mistake and does the first turn roughly like this, then Evil has about 7% chance to fail both Saruman's and the Orcs' screening attempt.

          But I agree, it should be made clear whether Saruman + Orcs should be allowed to do this. So either 2 dunlendings should be moved 1 territory closer (to allow Saruman to 100% do this) or 2 dunlendings should be moved 1 territory farther (to make this move impossible).

          "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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          • alkexrA Offline
            alkexr @redrum
            last edited by alkexr

            @redrum said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):

            Also I think the placements for Helms Deep need fixed as it appears the first unit is invisible.

            It's at (0,0), and hopefully the factory is displayed there.

            EDIT: oh, I see it now. I wanted to switch to using the dont_display_unit instead of placement hack in the next version anyway.

            "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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            • redrumR Offline
              redrum Admin @alkexr
              last edited by redrum

              @alkexr Yeah, I didn't realize that the orc warg scout could get to Westfold. For some reason, I keep forgetting they can move through mountains as the other wargs can't and most cavalry can't. And agree that I should have used a Huorn as well though even with just the 2 elven cavalry, there was a pretty good chance of both of them surviving which would have prevented it as well. So both a missed move and 2 unlucky battles 馃槙

              So I guess your general thought is that Hornburg should fall to Saruman turn 2 given that they move most of their troops into position to attack it? Just trying to get a sense of where you think the balance lies.

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              • alkexrA Offline
                alkexr @redrum
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                @redrum said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):

                So I guess your general thought is that Hornburg should fall to Saruman turn 2 given that they move most of their troops into position to attack it? Just trying to get a sense of where you think the balance lies.

                With the current starting position yes, Hornburg should fall turn 2 (without significant difference from the actual game).

                "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                • alkexrA Offline
                  alkexr @alkexr
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                  @alkexr said in Battle for Arda 2.0.6 - alkexr (Evil) vs redrum (Good):

                  (without significant difference from the actual game).

                  Well, at the cost of trading 4-ish uruk pikes or something, but taking them doesn't seem to be free (counterattacks etc.), so TUV-wise it should be close.

                  "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                  • redrumR Offline
                    redrum Admin @alkexr
                    last edited by redrum

                    @alkexr Yeah, that should prevent Lorien taking Westfold (could also use 2 Gondor rangers as well to make it like 15%) though I think then Rohan can actually get enough to defend Hornburg with Saruman having the 6 or so less units.

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                    • alkexrA Offline
                      alkexr @redrum
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                      @redrum Now I could counter-speculate what I would do differently, and if we keep counter-counter-speculating, we end up playing out a new game in the head. But in the end the two (interlinked) questions we have are:

                      • Should we continue this game as is, or should we start over
                      • Should we balance the map in a way that allows Saruman to take Hornburg turn 2 or not

                      "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                      • redrumR Offline
                        redrum Admin @alkexr
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                        @alkexr Aye. I definitely think we should continue as even if Saruman/Rohan plays out a bit differently then it normally would, we can still test the rest of the map as I don't think there have been too many errors else where.

                        We definitely do need to test Saruman's opening and counters to it a bit more though.

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                          TripleA Turn Summary: Saruman round 2

                          TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                          Game History

                          Round: 2
                          
                              Combat Move - Saruman
                                      Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating West Ered Nimraiss neutrality.
                                      Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating Isen South Banks neutrality.
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Adorn to West Ered Nimrais
                                        Saruman take West Ered Nimrais from Neutral
                                  1 uruk_warrior moved from Adorn to Isen South Bank
                                        Saruman take Isen South Bank from Neutral
                                  1 halforc moved from Isen North Bank to Lond Daer
                                  3 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Lond Daer
                                  1 warg_rider moved from Greyflood East Bank to Eregion
                                  1 warg_rider moved from Swanfleet to Eregion
                                  3 halforcs and 1 uruk_warrior moved from North Enedwaith to Eregion
                                  4 dunlending_wildmen moved from Trihyrne to Ered Nimrais
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from East Methedras to Hornburg
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Trihyrne to Hornburg
                                  1 halforc moved from Gap of Rohan to Hornburg
                                  9 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Hornburg
                                  1 wizard moved from Gap of Rohan to Hornburg
                                  2 fire_of_orthancs moved from Nan Curun铆r to Hornburg
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to Nimrodel
                                        Saruman take Nimrodel from Lorien
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to Limlight
                                        Saruman take Limlight from Lorien
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Methedras to North Fangorn
                                        Saruman take North Fangorn from Lorien
                                  3 dunlending_wildmen moved from Isengard to South Fangorn
                                  1 dunlending_wildman moved from Isengard to South Fangorn
                                  2 uruk_warriors moved from West March to Westfold
                                  2 crebains moved from Isengard to Westfold
                                  1 uruk_warrior moved from South Enedwaith to Lond Daer
                                  3 uruk_pikemen moved from Gap of Rohan to Westfold
                          
                              Purchase Units - Saruman
                                  Saruman buy 1 dunlending_wildman, 3 halforcs and 4 uruk_pikemen; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                          
                              Combat - Saruman
                                  Battle in Hornburg
                                      Saruman attack with 2 dunlending_wildmen, 2 fire_of_orthancs, 1 halforc, 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard
                                      Gondor defend with 2 rangers; Rohan defend with 1 factory, 1 fortress and 6 walls
                                          siege fire in Hornburg : 5/0 hits, 5,00 expected hits
                                          5 walls owned by the Rohan lost in Hornburg
                                          2 fire_of_orthancs owned by the Saruman lost in Hornburg
                                          Saruman roll dice for 2 dunlending_wildmen, 1 halforc, 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard in Hornburg, round 2 : 6/1 hits, 6,08 expected hits
                                          Rohan roll dice for 1 fortress, 2 rangers and 1 wall in Hornburg, round 2 : 3/0 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                                          2 dunlending_wildmen owned by the Saruman, 1 halforc owned by the Saruman, 1 fortress owned by the Rohan, 1 wall owned by the Rohan and 2 rangers owned by the Gondor lost in Hornburg
                                      Saruman win, taking Hornburg from Rohan with 9 uruk_warriors and 1 wizard remaining. Battle score for attacker is 51
                                      Casualties for Rohan: 1 fortress and 6 walls
                                      Casualties for Saruman: 2 dunlending_wildmen, 2 fire_of_orthancs and 1 halforc
                                      Casualties for Gondor: 2 rangers
                                  Battle in Westfold
                                      Saruman attack with 2 crebains, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors
                                      Rohan defend with 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia
                                          Saruman roll dice for 2 crebains, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors in Westfold, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2,08 expected hits
                                          Rohan roll dice for 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia in Westfold, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,08 expected hits
                                          1 riddermark_militia owned by the Rohan, 1 helming_warrior owned by the Rohan and 1 crebain owned by the Saruman lost in Westfold
                                      Saruman win, taking Westfold from Rohan with 1 crebain, 3 uruk_pikemen and 2 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                                      Casualties for Saruman: 1 crebain
                                      Casualties for Rohan: 1 helming_warrior and 1 riddermark_militia
                                  Battle in Lond Daer
                                      Saruman attack with 1 halforc and 4 uruk_warriors
                                      Neutral defend with 1 bowman, 1 factory and 1 wall
                                          Saruman roll dice for 1 halforc and 4 uruk_warriors in Lond Daer, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                                      Units damaged: 1 wall owned by the Neutral
                                          Neutral roll dice for 1 bowman and 1 wall in Lond Daer, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                          1 halforc owned by the Saruman and 1 bowman owned by the Neutral lost in Lond Daer
                                          Saruman roll dice for 4 uruk_warriors in Lond Daer, round 3 : 2/0 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                                          Neutral roll dice for 1 wall in Lond Daer, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                                          1 wall owned by the Neutral lost in Lond Daer
                                      Saruman loses 0 PUs for violating Lond Daers neutrality.
                                      Saruman win, taking Lond Daer from Neutral with 4 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                                      Casualties for Saruman: 1 halforc
                                      Casualties for Neutral: 1 bowman and 1 wall
                                  Battle in Eregion
                                      Saruman attack with 3 halforcs, 1 uruk_warrior and 2 warg_riders
                                      HighElves defend with 1 elven_archer
                                          charge fire in Eregion : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                          1 elven_archer owned by the HighElves lost in Eregion
                                      Saruman win, taking Eregion from HighElves with 3 halforcs, 1 uruk_warrior and 2 warg_riders remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                      Casualties for HighElves: 1 elven_archer
                                  Battle in South Fangorn
                                      Saruman attack with 4 dunlending_wildmen
                                      Rohan defend with 1 bowman
                                          Saruman roll dice for 4 dunlending_wildmen in South Fangorn, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                          Lorien roll dice for 1 bowman in South Fangorn, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                          1 dunlending_wildman owned by the Saruman and 1 bowman owned by the Rohan lost in South Fangorn
                                      Saruman win, taking South Fangorn from Lorien with 3 dunlending_wildmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                                      Casualties for Saruman: 1 dunlending_wildman
                                      Casualties for Rohan: 1 bowman
                                  Battle in Ered Nimrais
                                      Saruman attack with 4 dunlending_wildmen
                                      Gondor defend with 1 ranger
                                          Saruman roll dice for 4 dunlending_wildmen in Ered Nimrais, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                          Gondor roll dice for 1 ranger in Ered Nimrais, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,58 expected hits
                                          1 dunlending_wildman owned by the Saruman and 1 ranger owned by the Gondor lost in Ered Nimrais
                                      Saruman win, taking Ered Nimrais from Gondor with 3 dunlending_wildmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                                      Casualties for Saruman: 1 dunlending_wildman
                                      Casualties for Gondor: 1 ranger
                          
                              Non Combat Move - Saruman
                                  1 crebain moved from Westfold to Gap of Rohan
                                  2 halforcs moved from Adorn to Fords of Isen
                                  1 uruk_warrior moved from West March to North-South Road
                                  1 uruk_warrior moved from Isengard to North-South Road
                          
                              Place Units - Saruman
                                  1 dunlending_wildman, 3 halforcs and 4 uruk_pikemen placed in Isengard
                          
                              Turn Complete - Saruman
                                  Saruman collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs
                          

                          Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                          Saruman : -0,33
                          Neutral : -0,33
                          Lorien : 0,67
                          siege fire in Hornburg : : 0,00
                          charge fire in Eregion : : 0,33
                          Gondor : 0,42
                          Rohan : 0,92
                          

                          Savegame

                          "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                            TripleA Turn Summary: Angmar round 2

                            TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                            Game History

                            Round: 2
                            
                                Combat Move - Angmar
                                    1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Arnor
                                    1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Arnor
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Carn D没m to North Arnor
                                    1 dragon moved from Forodwaith to North Downs
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Eagle's Eyrie to Langwell
                                          Angmar take Langwell from Northmen
                                    1 orc_marauder moved from Eagle's Eyrie to East Rhudaur
                                    5 orc_marauders and 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Carn D没m to North Downs
                                    1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Weathertop to Midgewater
                                    3 orc_marauders, 1 snaga_skirmisher and 5 trolls moved from West Rhudaur to Weather Hills
                                    1 nazgul, 6 orc_marauders, 1 snaga_skirmisher and 3 warg_riders moved from Weathertop to Weather Hills
                                    3 orc_marauders and 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Forodwaith to Mount Gundabad
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from East Angmar to North Downs
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from South Angmar to Weather Hills
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Ettenmoors to Trollfells
                                    2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Ettenmoors to Ettendales
                                    1 snaga_skirmisher moved from North Misty Mountains to Ettenmoors
                            
                                Purchase Units - Angmar
                                    Angmar buy 1 dragon, 3 snaga_skirmishers and 1 wall; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
                            
                                Combat - Angmar
                                    Battle in North Arnor
                                        Angmar attack with 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                        Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss
                                            antiair fire in North Arnor : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                                        Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar
                                            Angmar roll dice for 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher in North Arnor, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 2,42 expected hits
                                            Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss in North Arnor, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                                        Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar
                                            3 man_at_armss owned by the Arnor lost in North Arnor
                                            antiair fire in North Arnor : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                                            Angmar roll dice for 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher in North Arnor, round 3 : 3/1 hits, 2,42 expected hits
                                            Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman in North Arnor, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                        Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar
                                            1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in North Arnor
                                        Angmar win, taking North Arnor from Arnor with 2 dragons and 1 snaga_skirmisher remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
                                        Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 3 man_at_armss
                                    Battle in Midgewater
                                        Angmar attack with 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers
                                        Arnor defend with 1 bowman
                                            Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers in Midgewater, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                            Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman in Midgewater, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                            1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in Midgewater
                                        Angmar win, taking Midgewater from Arnor with 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                                        Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman
                                    Battle in North Downs
                                        Angmar attack with 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers
                                        Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards
                                            antiair fire in North Downs : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                                        Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar
                                            Angmar roll dice for 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers in North Downs, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                                            Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards in North Downs, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1,25 expected hits
                                        Units damaged: 1 dragon owned by the Angmar
                                            2 dunadan_guards owned by the Arnor and 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in North Downs
                                        Angmar win, taking North Downs from Arnor with 1 dragon, 5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                                        Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards
                                    Battle in Weather Hills
                                        Angmar attack with 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 3 warg_riders
                                        Arnor defend with 1 bowman and 1 dunadan_guard
                                            charge fire in Weather Hills : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                            formation fire in Weather Hills : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                            1 warg_rider owned by the Angmar and 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in Weather Hills
                                            Angmar roll dice for 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 2 warg_riders in Weather Hills, round 2 : 9/0 hits, 9,00 expected hits
                                            Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weather Hills, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                            1 dunadan_guard owned by the Arnor lost in Weather Hills
                                        Angmar win, taking Weather Hills from Arnor with 1 nazgul, 9 orc_marauders, 3 snaga_skirmishers, 5 trolls and 2 warg_riders remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                        Casualties for Angmar: 1 warg_rider
                                        Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 1 dunadan_guard
                            
                                Non Combat Move - Angmar
                                    2 dragons moved from North Arnor to North Downs
                            
                                Place Units - Angmar
                                    1 dragon and 1 snaga_skirmisher placed in Carn D没m
                                    2 snaga_skirmishers and 1 wall placed in Mount Gundabad
                            
                                Turn Complete - Angmar
                                    Angmar collect 47 PUs; end with 48 PUs
                                    3 units repaired.
                            

                            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                            formation fire in Weather Hills : : 0,67
                            charge fire in Weather Hills : : 0,00
                            Arnor : -0,08
                            antiair fire in North Downs : : 0,75
                            Angmar : 1,00
                            antiair fire in North Arnor : : 0,50
                            

                            Savegame

                            "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                              TripleA Turn Summary: Mordor round 2

                              TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                              Game History

                              Round: 2
                              
                                  Combat Move - Mordor
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from West Ephel D煤ath to sz 22
                                      2 uruk_warriors moved from Desolation of the Morannon to South Undeep
                                      1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Dagorlad to South Undeep
                                      1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Dead Marshes to South Undeep
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from Field of Cormallen to Cair Andros
                                      2 uruk_pikemen moved from Minas Morgul to Cair Andros
                                      3 uruk_pikemen moved from Field of Cormallen to Cair Andros
                                      5 snaga_skirmishers moved from Crossroads to Cair Andros
                                      1 spider moved from Crossroads to Cair Andros
                                      1 olog_hai and 1 orc_marauder moved from Field of Cormallen to Nindalf
                                      1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher moved from West Ephel D煤ath to Crossings of Poros
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from Minas Morgul to Crossings of Poros
                                      1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Emyn Arnen to Crossings of Poros
                                      1 snaga_skirmisher moved from Emyn Arnen to South Ithilien
                                            Mordor take South Ithilien from Gondor
                                      2 olog_hais moved from Minas Morgul to Henneth Ann没n
                                      11 orc_marauders and 10 snaga_skirmishers moved from Mountains of Shadow to East Osgiliath
                                      1 orc_marauder moved from Emyn Arnen to East Osgiliath
                                      2 catapults and 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Minas Morgul to East Osgiliath
                                      2 snaga_skirmishers moved from North Ithilien to East Osgiliath
                                      6 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Field of Cormallen to East Osgiliath
                                      2 uruk_warriors moved from Crossroads to Dead Marshes
                                      5 orc_marauders and 2 snaga_skirmishers moved from Crossroads to East Osgiliath
                                      1 olog_hai and 2 uruk_warriors moved from Cirith Ungol to East Osgiliath
                                      2 catapults moved from Cirith Ungol to Crossroads
                              
                                  Purchase Units - Mordor
                                      Mordor buy 1 orc_marauder, 4 uruk_pikemen and 4 uruk_warriors; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                              
                                  Combat - Mordor
                                      Battle in Cair Andros
                                          Mordor attack with 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider, 5 uruk_pikemen and 1 winged_nazgul
                                          Gondor defend with 3 walls
                                              Mordor roll dice for 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider, 5 uruk_pikemen and 1 winged_nazgul in Cair Andros, round 2 : 4/1 hits, 3,58 expected hits
                                          Units damaged: 2 walls owned by the Gondor
                                              Gondor roll dice for 3 walls in Cair Andros, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,75 expected hits
                                          Units damaged: 1 spider owned by the Mordor
                                              1 wall owned by the Gondor lost in Cair Andros
                                              Mordor roll dice for 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider, 5 uruk_pikemen and 1 winged_nazgul in Cair Andros, round 3 : 3/1 hits, 3,83 expected hits
                                              Gondor roll dice for 2 walls in Cair Andros, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                                              2 walls owned by the Gondor lost in Cair Andros
                                          Mordor win, taking Cair Andros from Gondor with 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider, 5 uruk_pikemen and 1 winged_nazgul remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
                                          Casualties for Gondor: 3 walls
                                      Battle in East Osgiliath
                                          Mordor attack with 2 catapults, 1 olog_hai, 23 orc_marauders, 18 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors
                                          Gondor defend with 1 factory and 4 walls
                                              siege fire in East Osgiliath : 2/0 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                                              2 walls owned by the Gondor lost in East Osgiliath
                                              Mordor roll dice for 2 catapults, 1 olog_hai, 23 orc_marauders, 18 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors in East Osgiliath, round 2 : 16/0 hits, 16,00 expected hits
                                              Gondor roll dice for 2 walls in East Osgiliath, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                          Units damaged: 1 olog_hai owned by the Mordor
                                              2 walls owned by the Gondor lost in East Osgiliath
                                          Mordor win, taking East Osgiliath from Gondor with 2 catapults, 1 olog_hai, 23 orc_marauders, 18 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32
                                          Casualties for Gondor: 4 walls
                                      Battle in sz 22
                                          Mordor attack with 1 winged_nazgul
                                          Gondor defend with 2 dromunds
                                              Mordor roll dice for 1 winged_nazgul in sz 22, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                              Gondor roll dice for 2 dromunds in sz 22, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                          Units damaged: 1 winged_nazgul owned by the Mordor
                                           retreated to sz 22
                                      Battle in Nindalf
                                          Mordor attack with 1 olog_hai and 1 orc_marauder
                                          Gondor defend with 1 spearman
                                              trample fire in Nindalf : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                                              Mordor roll dice for 1 olog_hai and 1 orc_marauder in Nindalf, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                              Gondor roll dice for 1 spearman in Nindalf, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,08 expected hits
                                              1 spearman owned by the Gondor lost in Nindalf
                                          Mordor winGondor win with 2 dromunds remaining, taking Nindalf from Gondor with 1 olog_hai and 1 orc_marauder remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                                          Casualties for Gondor: 1 spearman
                                      Battle in Henneth Ann没n
                                          Mordor attack with 2 olog_hais
                                          Gondor defend with 1 factory and 1 spearman
                                              trample fire in Henneth Ann没n : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                                              1 spearman owned by the Gondor lost in Henneth Ann没n
                                          Mordor win, taking Henneth Ann没n from Gondor with 2 olog_hais remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                                          Casualties for Gondor: 1 spearman
                                      Battle in South Undeep
                                          Mordor attack with 2 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors
                                          Neutral defend with 1 bowman and 1 scout
                                              flank fire in South Undeep : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                                              Mordor roll dice for 2 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors in South Undeep, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                                              Neutral roll dice for 1 bowman and 1 scout in South Undeep, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                                              1 scout owned by the Neutral lost in South Undeep
                                              Mordor roll dice for 2 snaga_skirmishers and 2 uruk_warriors in South Undeep, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                                              Neutral roll dice for 1 bowman in South Undeep, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits
                                              1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Mordor and 1 bowman owned by the Neutral lost in South Undeep
                                          Mordor loses 0 PUs for violating South Undeeps neutrality.
                                          Mordor win, taking South Undeep from Neutral with 1 snaga_skirmisher and 2 uruk_warriors remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                                          Casualties for Neutral: 1 bowman and 1 scout
                                          Casualties for Mordor: 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                      Battle in Crossings of Poros
                                          Mordor attack with 1 orc_marauder, 2 snaga_skirmishers and 1 winged_nazgul
                                          Gondor defend with 2 rangers
                                              antiair fire in Crossings of Poros : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                                              Mordor roll dice for 1 orc_marauder, 2 snaga_skirmishers and 1 winged_nazgul in Crossings of Poros, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1,58 expected hits
                                              Gondor roll dice for 2 rangers in Crossings of Poros, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                                              2 rangers owned by the Gondor lost in Crossings of Poros
                                          Mordor win, taking Crossings of Poros from Gondor with 1 orc_marauder, 2 snaga_skirmishers and 1 winged_nazgul remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                                          Casualties for Gondor: 2 rangers
                              
                                  Non Combat Move - Mordor
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from sz 22 to sz 23
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from Crossings of Poros to East Osgiliath
                                      1 winged_nazgul moved from Cair Andros to East Osgiliath
                              
                                  Place Units - Mordor
                                      1 orc_marauder, 1 uruk_pikeman and 3 uruk_warriors placed in Minas Morgul
                                      3 uruk_pikemen placed in Cirith Ungol
                                      1 uruk_warrior placed in Morannon
                              
                                  Turn Complete - Mordor
                                      Mordor collect 79 PUs; end with 79 PUs
                                      5 units repaired.
                              

                              Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                              Mordor : -1,00
                              Neutral : 0,50
                              trample fire in Nindalf : : -0,50
                              Gondor : -0,67
                              flank fire in South Undeep : : -0,17
                              antiair fire in Crossings of Poros : : -0,33
                              trample fire in Henneth Ann没n : : 0,00
                              siege fire in East Osgiliath : : 0,00
                              

                              Savegame

                              "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                                TripleA Turn Summary: Arnor round 2

                                TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                                Game History

                                Round: 2
                                
                                    Combat Move - Arnor
                                        2 dunadan_guards moved from Amon S没l to Midgewater
                                        1 bowman moved from Mitheithel Bank to Midgewater
                                        1 dunadan_guard moved from Amon S没l to Weathertop
                                        1 man_at_arms moved from Hoarwell Bank to West Rhudaur
                                              Arnor take West Rhudaur from Angmar
                                        1 dunadan_guard moved from North Arthedain to North Arnor
                                
                                    Purchase Units - Arnor
                                        Arnor buy 6 bowmen and 1 man_at_arms; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                                
                                    Combat - Arnor
                                        Battle in North Arnor
                                            Arnor attack with 1 dunadan_guard
                                            Angmar defend with 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 8 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in North Arnor, round 9 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Angmar lost in North Arnor
                                            Arnor win, taking North Arnor from Angmar with 1 dunadan_guard remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                                            Casualties for Angmar: 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                        Battle in Midgewater
                                            Arnor attack with 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards
                                            Angmar defend with 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards in Midgewater, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.75 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 2 snaga_skirmishers in Midgewater, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits
                                                1 snaga_skirmisher owned by the Angmar and 1 bowman owned by the Arnor lost in Midgewater
                                                Arnor roll dice for 2 dunadan_guards in Midgewater, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher in Midgewater, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 2 dunadan_guards in Midgewater, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher in Midgewater, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                1 dunadan_guard owned by the Arnor lost in Midgewater
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Midgewater, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher in Midgewater, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Midgewater, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.25 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher in Midgewater, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                                                1 dunadan_guard owned by the Arnor lost in Midgewater
                                            Angmar win with 1 orc_marauder and 1 snaga_skirmisher remaining. Battle score for attacker is -17
                                            Casualties for Arnor: 1 bowman and 2 dunadan_guards
                                            Casualties for Angmar: 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                        Battle in Weathertop
                                            Arnor attack with 1 dunadan_guard
                                            Angmar defend with 1 snaga_skirmisher
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weathertop, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in Weathertop, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weathertop, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in Weathertop, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weathertop, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in Weathertop, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits
                                                Arnor roll dice for 1 dunadan_guard in Weathertop, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                                                Angmar roll dice for 1 snaga_skirmisher in Weathertop, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.08 expected hits
                                                1 dunadan_guard owned by the Arnor lost in Weathertop
                                            Angmar win with 1 snaga_skirmisher remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                                            Casualties for Arnor: 1 dunadan_guard
                                
                                    Non Combat Move - Arnor
                                        2 dunadan_lancers moved from Baranduin East Bank to Fornost
                                        1 dunadan_lancer moved from Brandywine East Bank to Fornost
                                        1 dunadan_lancer moved from East-West Road to Fornost
                                        1 bowman, 2 dunadan_guards and 3 man_at_armss moved from North Arthedain to Baranduin East Bank
                                        1 man_at_arms moved from South Lh没n to North Arthedain
                                        1 man_at_arms moved from Lh没n Tributary to North Arthedain
                                        1 bowman and 1 man_at_arms moved from Brandywine Bridge to Baranduin East Bank
                                        1 dunadan_guard and 1 man_at_arms moved from Hoarwell Bank to Amon S没l
                                
                                    Place Units - Arnor
                                        5 bowmen placed in Fornost
                                        1 bowman and 1 man_at_arms placed in Amon S没l
                                
                                    Turn Complete - Arnor
                                        Arnor collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs
                                

                                Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                Arnor : -4.25
                                Angmar : 2.75
                                

                                Savegame

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                                  TripleA Move Summary: Gondor round 2

                                  TripleA Move Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                                  Game History

                                  Round: 2
                                  
                                      Combat Move - Gondor
                                          6 rangers moved from An贸rien to Cair Andros
                                          3 tower_guards moved from West Osgiliath to Cair Andros
                                          8 tower_guards moved from Minas Tirith to Cair Andros
                                          3 man_at_armss moved from Lossarnach to Cair Andros
                                          5 man_at_armss, 4 spearmen, 6 tower_guards and 2 trebuchets moved from Pelennor Fields to Cair Andros
                                  

                                  Savegame

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                                    @alkexr Need OOL for Cair Andros.

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                                      @redrum damage spider, snaga, uruk, kill spider

                                      "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                                        @redrum BTW I dare you to do this in high luck

                                        "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                                          @alkexr Yeah, this is a very good example of where LL and dice differ in strategy. Though I would still attack in dice just with less units.

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                                            TripleA Turn Summary: Gondor round 2

                                            TripleA Turn Summary for game: Middle Earth - Battle for Arda, version: 2.0.6

                                            Game History

                                            Round: 2
                                            
                                                Combat Move - Gondor
                                                    6 rangers moved from An贸rien to Cair Andros
                                                    3 tower_guards moved from West Osgiliath to Cair Andros
                                                    8 tower_guards moved from Minas Tirith to Cair Andros
                                                    3 man_at_armss moved from Lossarnach to Cair Andros
                                                    5 man_at_armss, 4 spearmen, 6 tower_guards and 2 trebuchets moved from Pelennor Fields to Cair Andros
                                            
                                                Purchase Units - Gondor
                                                    Gondor buy 1 man_at_arms and 10 tower_guards; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
                                            
                                                Combat - Gondor
                                                    Battle in Cair Andros
                                                        Gondor attack with 8 man_at_armss, 6 rangers, 4 spearmen, 17 tower_guards and 2 trebuchets
                                                        Mordor defend with 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider and 5 uruk_pikemen
                                                            Gondor roll dice for 8 man_at_armss, 6 rangers, 4 spearmen, 17 tower_guards and 2 trebuchets in Cair Andros, round 2 : 10/1 hits, 10.58 expected hits
                                                        Units damaged: 1 spider owned by the Mordor
                                                            Mordor roll dice for 5 snaga_skirmishers, 1 spider and 5 uruk_pikemen in Cair Andros, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                                                            3 man_at_armss owned by the Gondor, 4 uruk_pikemen owned by the Mordor and 5 snaga_skirmishers owned by the Mordor lost in Cair Andros
                                                        5 man_at_armss owned by the Gondor, 2 trebuchets owned by the Gondor, 17 tower_guards owned by the Gondor, 4 spearmen owned by the Gondor and 6 rangers owned by the Gondor retreated to Pelennor Fields
                                                        Mordor win with 1 spider and 1 uruk_pikeman remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
                                                        Casualties for Gondor: 3 man_at_armss
                                                        Casualties for Mordor: 5 snaga_skirmishers and 4 uruk_pikemen
                                            
                                                Non Combat Move - Gondor
                                                    1 man_at_arms moved from Lossarnach to An贸rien
                                                    1 spearman moved from Sirith to Pelennor Fields
                                                    1 man_at_arms and 3 spearmen moved from Lebennin to Minas Tirith
                                                    1 spearman moved from West Gondor to Pinnath Gelin
                                                    1 spearman moved from Dunharrow to West Gondor
                                                    1 oathbreaker moved from Harrowdale to Paths of the Dead
                                                    7 oathbreakers moved from Harrowdale to Entwade
                                                    5 swan_knights moved from Lebennin to Sirith
                                                    9 man_at_armss and 1 spearman moved from Gilrain to Sirith
                                                    2 dromunds moved from sz 22 to sz 21
                                            
                                                Place Units - Gondor
                                                    8 tower_guards placed in Minas Tirith
                                                    2 tower_guards placed in Edhellond
                                                    1 man_at_arms placed in Edhellond
                                            
                                                Turn Complete - Gondor
                                                    Gondor collect 63 PUs; end with 63 PUs
                                                    1 unit repaired.
                                            

                                            Combat Hit Differential Summary :

                                            Mordor : -0.17
                                            Gondor : -0.58
                                            

                                            Savegame

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