Power of Politics 1914 : A WWI scenario

[redrum]

@hepps I'm guessing then that those territories are "originally owned by" the colonial Ottoman minor then since otherwise they would go to the Ottomans directly?

[Hepps]

@alkexr They will be air units if need be.

[Hepps]

@redrum The colonial territories will be originally owned by the assigned Minor Power. Then the territory will be set to "if Captured by" goes to whatever the appropriate Minor would be.

[Schulz]

Well Russian territories had been drawn perfectly. Well done. Wouldn't red colour better for Communist units rather than pink?

Also Qatar was under British protectorate. Not all today's inner Saudi Arabia was united. Some tribes were pro-Ottoman like Jabal Shammar. Hejaz was absoultely worthless for Ottomans they did try to keep the area for only Religious reasons, Hejaz had been excluded from taxation and conscriptions.

[Hepps]

@schulz As far as Qatar...

"Under military and political pressure from the governor of the Ottoman Vilayet of Baghdad, Midhat Pasha, the ruling Al Thani tribe submitted to Ottoman rule in 1871.[68] The Ottoman government imposed reformist (Tanzimat) measures concerning taxation and land registration to fully integrate these areas into the empire.[68] Despite the disapproval of local tribes, Al Thani continued supporting Ottoman rule."

"The Ottoman Empire fell into disorder after losing battles in different fronts in the Middle Eastern theatre of World War I. Qatar took part in the Arab revolt against the Ottomans. The revolt was successful and Ottoman rule in the country further declined. The United Kingdom and the Ottoman Empire accorded their recognition to Sheikh Abdullah bin Jassim Al Thani and his successors' right to rule over the whole of the Qatari Peninsula. The Ottomans renounced all their rights to Qatar and, following the outbreak of the First World War, Abdullah bin Jassim Al Thani (who was pro-British) forced them to abandon Doha in 1915."

This is the information I could gather for Qatar from Wikipedia. Therefore if the map is set to start in 1914, then it would seem appropriate for the country to be set up as an Ottoman Vilayet.

As far as the Hejaz region. I am trying to strictly limit the number of 0 PU territories (I really dislike putting something on a map that offers nothing). The PU attributed to them could be said to represent their strategic value as well as their religious significance to the Ottoman Empire. Besides that abstract valuation it also serves to give the Ottoman Empire some much needed income in order to make them even competitive.

[Hepps]

@schulz said in A WWI scenario design based loosely on NML & TWW:

Not all today's inner Saudi Arabia was united. Some tribes were pro-Ottoman like Jabal Shammar.

I understand that the Arabian peninsula was not a single unified country. But for the game purposes I am simply leaving them as a single Neutral Power that is on the verge of joining British Colonial India. Trying to make this into 2 or 3 neutral factions would offer no real value to the game since each would be worth between 2 - 3 PU individually. The way I have set it up (while being a real over-simplification of the real situation) offers both Alliances with some real value.

[Schulz]

Will there be mutinies besides Communists?

[Hepps]

Here is what I have detailed for Imperial Russia so far.

I have some great maps of Russia from the turn of the century, but unfortunately I cannot read Russian. If anyone knows Imperial Russian Geography... feel free to make some suggestions.

[Schulz]

I am Turkish if you want to know anything about the Ottoman Empire get in touch with me. There are some documentations about the role of the Ottoman Empire during ww1 that aren't English.

[Hepps]

@schulz Sure. It would help to have decent regional names for the Ottomans.

[Schulz]

[Hepps]

@schulz Looks good. Helps to have some one who knows the regional history of a particular area.

Though I do not understand why you would change Kuwait to Basra. As Kuwait it can be set up as a British holding.

I am also probably going to leave Baghdad as the city. Since Mosul was a much smaller city at the time.

[Schulz]

It depends I was referring from http://www.wikizeroo.net/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly90ci53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvVmlsYXlldA

Kuwait had exactly the same situation with Qatar. If you count Qatar as Ottoman territory then Kuwait also should be count as Ottoman territory too. But none of them was under Ottman rule. Yes, Kuwait should be remain as Kuwait if it is under British protectorate. Though the Kuwaiti ruler supported the Ottoman Empire. From wiki;

"During World War I, the British Empire imposed a trade blockade against Kuwait because Kuwait's ruler supported the Ottoman Empire.[68][69][70] The British economic blockade heavily damaged Kuwait's economy.[70]"

[Schulz]

If you leave Baghdad as the city then Diyarbekir should probably be Mosul.

[Hepps]

Redid some of the Ottoman Empire to make a bit more sense to how it was laid out.

And yes while the British may have blockaded the Kuwait port. It was still a British Protectorate from what I can find.

"The Sheikhdom of Kuwait became a British protectorate in 1899 (until 1961) after the Anglo-Kuwaiti Agreement of 1899 was signed between Sheikh Mubarak Al Sabah and the British government in India due to severe threats to Kuwait's independence from the Ottoman Empire. "

[Schulz]

Pro Ottoman emirate of Jabal Shammar was located in An Nafud but you can just ignore it if you want also Sinai was also part of British Egypt.

[Hepps]

@schulz said in A WWI scenario design based loosely on NML & TWW:

Pro Ottoman emirate of Jabal Shammar was located in An Nafud but you can just ignore it if you want also Sinai was also part of British Egypt.

Most of the Sinai Peninsula was occupied by Ottoman and German forces pretty much at the outset of the war as the British had set up their defensive line pretty much at edge of the Suez Canal.

[alkexr]

@Hepps I feel competent in the geography of Austria-Hungary, and to a lesser extent in that of the Russian Empire. I speak a little Russian and I did a ton of research for the Russian Civil War map.

The division of Ukraine looks sensible, though I'd name the territories properly, instead of NSEW Ukraine.

The territories in the Russian Heartland and the Caucasus region are difficult to find names for, they don't reflect the historical region boundaries too well.

[alkexr]

@Hepps A sketch of how I would do the territories. Yellow territories are less important, they can be divided up between neighbours or added as separate territories depending on the desired granularity.

[Cernel]

@schulz Here depends on where you are heading, and if you want to have like Moskva, then yes, I suppose. But in any English map of WWI Instanbul would be called Constantinople, just as Iran would be called Persia.