Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6
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rulebook pdf file is missing from the current download
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@ubernaut https://github.com/triplea-maps/total_world_war_manual/raw/master/TWW_lossy_new.pdf
It hasn't been updated for v3 yet. So you'll want to review the first post of this thread for changes to the rules.
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noticed that the page image files in the download are actually newer than the previous included PDF, last page references 2.8.0.4 but the combined pdf is just missing. thought id give a heads up on that.
i made a combined pdf of my own just because reading the notes in-game is tough, but i don't have the ability to add stuff to git. anyway here is a temporary link that good for a week if anyone wants a slightly newer version of that: -
@ubernaut Yeah, looks like the PDF hasn't been regenerated from the note pages recently so is another point version or 2 behind them.
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@redrum just started playing TWW recently noticed AI is pretty hobbled with all the complication added in this game, are there plans to make the AI more capable for TWW?
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@ubernaut Yeah, playing vs the AI is pretty meaningless on TWW as it uses a lot of advanced TripleA features that the AI can't handle currently. You are better off finding a human opponent or even practicing against yourself. I'd say its maybe a dream at this point to make the AI more capable of playing TWW as it would take significant effort. Probably the biggest issue with the AI currently is it essentially can't build infrastructure as it doesn't understand how to handle materials.
I also considered making some sort of "AI-enabled" setting where some of the advanced rules are simplified for the AI so something like the AI not using materials at all and just making buildings cost more.
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@redrum that seems interesting.
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is this the right place to tell people usa start image isn't currently loading on the latest download?
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@ubernaut Yeah, this is the place to report any bugs. What do you mean by usa start image? Can you upload a screenshot?
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@redrum It is the image that is supposed to be displayed when USA game start happens. I think the image is misnamed.
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@Hepps So few people play with notifications on that I forgot about it.
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@Hepps Oh ok. Yeah, I never play with notifications anymore. But do remember a few of them were missing.
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@redrum Just USA start as far as I remember.
"A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
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@Hepps Ok. I added it to the list for the next release.
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yeah just started messing around with TWW so i have the images on still so far that's the only one I've seen with the broken link image.
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Hi all!
Here is an idea concerning starting technology.
Currently every major player in the game starts with five tech tokens (China stars with zero tech tokens).
When either Japan or Italy gets lucky and rolls for special warfare during round one then (in the case of Japan) the Exile Allies islands in the Pacific or (in the case of Italy) Western Egypt/Cairo fall much faster.
To slow, but not eliminate these outcomes, I propose to remove the five tech tokens from the start of round one and replace them with double tech tokens at the end of round one.
Thus, any player ending round one with one tech center will end the round with six tech tokens while any player ending round one with two tech centers will end the round with twelve tech tokens.
Also, tech tokens will not be purchasable until the second round.
Thoughts?
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@xAAAx Its an interesting idea. I do think whether UK, Japan, or Italy get Special Warfare round 1 can make a major impact on the early game. I think the problem is really that Special Warfare is too strong as a tech for naval powers as it makes amphibious assaults very black and white (you can or you can't). While I think we could try to do something around making techs less random in the first round or 2, that would really just be a band aid and really what needs done is reworking Special Warfare.
I think the Special Warfare line needs to be more gradual so that amphibious attackers have significant penalties and that penalty becomes less and less as you work through the tech line. So keep most of the territory effect bonuses but adjust SWF line like this:
- no SWF - all inf can amphib but have a -2 attack (essentially just act as casualties)
- SWF - amphib inf have a -1 attack
- Improved SWF - amphib inf have no negative bonus
- Advanced SWF - allows amphib with non-inf
This is just conceptual so would need more thought on exact values and balance. But this would make SWF less powerful and make amphib assaults a more gradual tech advancement.
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RE:
TODO
Improve destroyer's counter to subs
Here is a concept for consideration.
Both subs and destroyers start at 3/3/2. Improved subs get +1 attack while improved destroyers get +1 defense. Advanced subs get +3 attack while advanced destroyers get +3 defense.
Another option is for subs to start at 4/3/2 with +1 attack for improved and +2 attack for advanced while destroyers start at 3/4/2 with +1 defense for improved and +2 defense for advanced.
Either way, subs and destroyers have equal attack vs defense as they tech up.
That leaves the subs ability to sink ships without them being able to return fire.
I don't think Hepps wants to remove this ability altogether, so what I propose is to add a defensive depth charge to destroyers that fire each round of combat that is strong enough to achieve parity with subs (i.e., when an equal number of subs attack an equal number of destroyers—of the same tech level—the result is a 50/50 battle).
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@redrum Red, I agree that special warfare is kind of an all or nothing deal. For example, Britain is often able to hold onto at least one protectorate whenever Japan doesn't get special warfare in the 1st round; however, Britain is certain to lose all protectorates when Japan does get special warfare in the 1st round.
With this idea, how would Britain hold on to Malta? Perhaps add some additional fortifications and air fields to make attacking Malta in the early rounds not too appealing to Italy.
Maybe change the infantry to a combat engineer then add a second air field and both a second entrenchment and a second bunker. Also move the destroyer and transport to somewhere else in the middle east so that the combat engineer is stuck there.
The idea is that even if Cairo falls, Malta could remain as a thorn in Italy's side.
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@xAAAx
Destroyer/Sub - Well, I don't think we necessarily need to make subs and destroyers more similar in stats. They are meant to feel like very unique units with very different purposes. They just need to be tweaked a bit to be more balanced in the overall naval system as I think right now subs are a bit too strong compared to destroyers. The idea is to make subs very cost effective attackers, hard to hunt, and weak for defending fleets. While destroyers are meant to be good screens for capital ships, be able to hunt subs, and be able to defend fleets against subs. These things are mostly true in the new system but destroyers just need to be a bit stronger in hunting subs and defending against subs. I think just increasing the strength of destroyer's depth charge and/or allowing it to work on defense as well as attack can achieve this.Malta - I actually think Malta's current strength is ok. Most games I play, Malta tends to last for a while and some it lasts the entire game. I think it should be a choice for Italy. If Italy wants to invest in a decent amphib assault and pull forces/pressure away from Egypt then they can to take it. If we add too much more defense to Malta then it will essentially have no chance of ever being taken especially when you consider UK can often put some air units there to help defend. IMO, the Axis could have conquered Malta during WWII if they had chosen to put more focus on it and it was probably a mistake that they didn't. They chose to put all the focus on driving towards Egypt rather than securing Malta. They had drawn up plans but decided to cancel them for various reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Herkules
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