Air Superiority

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@CrazyG I don't believe there is a current way to achieve what you described. The best alternatives are using either air attacks, AA attacks, support attachments, or a combination of them. You could do something like have air units have AA attacks against other air units (simulating them attacking each other for superiority) and have them support land/naval units to represent whoever has more air units giving more support to their land/naval armies.

Hepps

If you use the air combat first... this should resolve itself. Since only surviving air (which would be one or the other) ever see ground combat.

CrazyG

Thanks for your responses

@Hepps
I had limited rounds of air combat, specifically because Zeppelins are in the game and need to participate in air combat so that fighters can target them. However, you can get a situation with zeppelins shooting for 20 rounds at each other.

Hepps

@CrazyG You could always make Zepplins not have intercept ability. This way you'd never have them in air combat together. Thus forcing players to have fighters available to defend against attacking Zeppelins. You could theoretically make (attacking) Zeppelins a target landed Zeppelins (defending) if the air superiority battle is won by the attacker with surviving Zeppelin(s). This would be along the same lines as how I have set up Air Transports in TWW... where they can be bombed.

CrazyG

@Hepps
I wanted two fighters to be able to attack a territory with a zeppelin and get a shot at the zeppelin. Or, if you attack using a zeppelin but no escorts, defending fighters can get the zeppelin. Wouldn't this prevent that?

Hepps

@CrazyG Yes.

I was just saying if you leave Zeppelins as not being able to intercept... or scramble... then you should never have a situation where 2 Zeppelins are duking it out for an eternity.

Cernel

@CrazyG I'm not sure what you mean here. You cannot force air-only battles in any territories. For attacking fighters to air battle with a defending zeppelin, without generally engaging all the units in the territory, as well, you would need those fighters to bombing raid that territory and, in this case, the zeppelin cannot be obliged to join the air battle (it wouldn't). If you mean those fighters would attack the territory normally, I cannot see how would they want to do it, as, in this case, you can force the zeppelin to air battle, but, then, the fighters are forced into the regular (land) battle.

Just being curious what exactly you have in mind, as I cannot quite visualize it.

If, instead, you just mean that those two fighters would attack the territory with a bunch of other units, that would be doing the regular (land) battle with them, and you want the two fighters to be able to get the zeppelin in the territory during the preliminary air battle, then, yes, you are correct, but this seems a rather minor matter, as the zeppelins are probably not going to stay on the frontlines, or at least it would not be realistic for the defending player to be wanting that (or maybe the whole point of your reasoning is making that possible so it will not happen?).

Side note, I personally don't like giving units specific names; in this case someone's surname. Instead of "zeppelin", I would go for "dirigible_balloon".

Hepps

@Cernel said in Air Superiority:

@CrazyG I'm not sure what you mean here. You cannot force air-only battles in any territories.

@Cernel Yes you can. The code has existed for quite some time.

CrazyG

The defender isn't intercepting or scrambling, this is related to normal combat, not bombing runs. Air battles can precede normal combat. You can limited the number of rounds, which is what I did to avoid zeppelins shooting forever.

I could take zeppelins out of air combat, but that would mean a zeppelin could attack a territory with 10 fighters and be okay.

Thanks for the replies, I'll keep thinking about to do here.

Cernel

@Hepps What I believe to have made clear is that I meant that air battles are always going to be followed by the regular (land) battle. That is you cannot do air battles only, without the following standard battle. So, if those two fighters are attacking alone a territory with a zeppelin and a bunch of land units, that is not going to end well for them.