Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows

[Cernel]

Ok. Maybe then it is better going all the opposite direction and use "Fictional" to represent really everything that can be regarded so except what is merely counterfactual, anachronistical or generally unhistorical:

1.Antique (until 1492)
/High Quality:
270BC
270BC Variants
/Good Quality:
Feudal Japan
/Experimental:
Age Of The Sturlungs
Ancient Times
Empire
Feudal Japan Warlords
First Punic War
Jurassic
Rome Total War
Total Ancient War

2.Revolutional (1492-1914)
/High Quality:
Civil War
Diplomacy
Napoleonic Empires
/Good Quality:
Caribbean Trade War
Domination
/Experimental:
Blue vs Gray
The Great Northern War

3.WW1 (1914-1929)
/High Quality:
Great War
/Good Quality:
Battle of Jutland
Domination 1914 No Mans Land
/Experimental:
1914-COW-Empires
Domination 1914 Blood And Steel
Domination 1914-Weltpolitik
New World Order 1915Lebowski

4.WW2 (1929-1945)
/High Quality:
Big World
New World Order
The Pact of Steel
The Rising Sun
Total World War
World At War
World War II Classic
World War II Europe
World War II Global
World War II Pacific
World War II Revised
World War II v3
World War II v4
World War II v5 1942
World War II v6 1941
/Good Quality:
Big World 2
Pacific Challenge
Red Sun Over China
Ultimate World
/Experimental:
Arnhem
Atari
Big World Variations
Classic Variations
D-Day
D-Day2
Eastern Front
Europe
Global 1940 Redesign HouseRules
Global War
Global War2
Iron War
New World Order Lebowski Edition
NWO Variants
Pacific
Pact of Steel Variations
Ultimate World Variants
World At War Variants
World War II Revised Variations
WW2 Philippines
WW2v3_11N
WW2v3_Variants

5.Recent (1945 today)
/High Quality:
.
/Good Quality:
Cold War
/Experimental:
Camp David
Cold War Asia1948

6.Multi-Age (at least two of the above fully covered)
/High Quality:
.
/Good Quality:
.
/Experimental:
.

7.Fictional (any mainly or totally fictional settings)
/High Quality:
Middle Earth
/Good Quality:
Age of Tribes
Battle of Aventurica
Dragon War
Greyhawk
Greyhawk Wars
Star Trek Dilithium War
Star Wars Galactic War
Star Wars Tatooine War
Twilight Imperium
/Experimental:
Elemental Forces
Game of Thrones
Invasion USA
Large Middle Earth
Neuschwabenland
Steampunk
Stellar Forces
Ur Quan War Masters Edition
War of the Lance
War of the Relics
World War2010
Zombieland

8.Abstract (maps not aiming at representing any settings)
/High Quality:
Capture the Flag
Minimap
/Good Quality:
.
/Experimental:
Hex Globe10
Tactics Campaign

So, please, take a look at the list and if you have alternative ideas for the category names, like a different name for "Fictional" that may fit better the description and the list, let us know.

[Cernel]

@Hepps Well, if the same thing is asked yet again, I guess I answer yet again (about the matter that category is meant to represent Feral+Primeval+Ancient+Medieval, and it is so because splitting up the 4 would make for very small categories, and I didn't come up with anything better than Antique).

[Hepps]

@Cernel I don't care anymore...you have proven yourself incapable of listening to what other people are saying. Despite multiple people making recommendations for English terms that people will recognize easily and immediately... you continually ignore what they are telling you because of a compulsive need for an organizational system so insanely specific, while at the same time creating names for things that no English speaking person would ever fathom to use under these circumstances.

I surrender.

[prastle]

@Cernel umm Feral? Like animals vs animals? do we have that? do they have rabies? Neat idea for a map tho. Guess ya mean zombies.

[Cernel]

Myself still would prefer "Early Modern" and "Late Modern" over "Revolutional" and "Recent". "Revolutional", in particular, I don't like. For the record, the other proposals so far are "Colonial", "Industrial" and "Gunpowder".

[Cernel]

@Hepps said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

@Cernel I don't care anymore...you have proven yourself incapable of listening to what other people are saying. Despite multiple people making recommendations for English terms that people will recognize easily and immediately... you continually ignore what they are telling you because of a compulsive need for an organizational system so insanely specific, while at the same time creating names for things that no English speaking person would ever fathom to use under these circumstances.

I surrender.

Wow. I've actually kept changing the names a lot, if you have followed. And I've also said that all names are open to be changed. The problem is that I need alternatives.

For "Antique", for example, either we go back splitting up, as I did initially, as you can see at the first post (but then we have very small categories), or I'm fine using like "Ancient/Medieval", if preferred.

But, for example, in the case of "Revolutional" aka "Early Modern" I've not an idea about what to use for that in case of "A/B/C"; nothing more, nothing less.

[Cernel]

@prastle said in Map Scenario Categories In Download Windows:

@Cernel umm Feral? Like animals vs animals? do we have that? do they have rabies? Neat idea for a map tho. Guess ya mean zombies.

For now, the only map of such a category is "Jurassic".

[Cernel]

Using the multiple names suggestion, we could have:

1.Primeval/Ancient/Medieval (until 1492)
2.???/Colonial/Steam (1492-1914)
3.WW1 (1914-1929)
4.WW2 (1929-1945)
5.Recent (1945 today)
6.Multi-Age (at least two of the above fully covered)
7.Fictional (any mainly or totally fictional settings)
8.Abstract (maps not aiming at representing any settings)

Those should be fairly understandable names. We can assume that Feral is part of Primeval.
I only need a name for 1492 before steam, and, if possible, something better than steam (not industrial, as it doesn't stop with WW1). I don't think Renaissance would be very good, as it is in the middle of Medieval and Early Modern, rather than the pre-steam part of Early Modern.
But an option would be to extend the timeline of one or the other to have all the Renaissance inside.

[Cernel]

@prastle The Feral category I believe is a minor matter, as such maps would have to be so fictional that can stay there. So "Jurassic" can be surely moved to Fictional. Still, even tho it doesn't exist yet, somebody might make a map before Ancient but with men (Primeval or Prehistory).

[prastle]

@Cernel a few minor edits

otherwise np but just mho of course
fic and abstract can be one cat
im also curious if we really need multi age just throw it in above
Since most here play historic games I also ? do we need recent
or could it all be tied into a futuristic stand point?

The main point im trying to get as is shouldnt we have as minimal a number of categories as possible?

[Cernel]

@prastle I think categories with few maps are in a way more needed than categories with many maps.
"Recent" is an example in that, if somebody wants to search for a "Cold War" scenario, it could click on that and get the few options, rather than having to delve to search for it. So, yes, I think Recent (1945-today) is good to have.
I'm not against merging "Fictional" and "Abstract", but I like having a category for maps with no setting at all, like HexGlobe.
I think 8 categories is really a number we don't need to go below.
The "Multi-Age" is just theory, as currently there are no maps at all in it, since I would put "Age of Tribes" in Fictional, mainly because of the East vs West thing.

[prastle]

@Cernel ok i have 1 ? before i continue do you have any idea how vague "recent " is?

to explain better RECENT? as compared to WHAT?

I love ya but choose a new term or name

[Cernel]

@prastle I'm strongly against calling it "Modern". My initial suggestion was "Late Modern". I don't like "Recent" much either. "Contemporary" would be ok, if most prefer it over "Recent", tho I'm not a big fan. I'm open to other proposals, as with multiple we can have also "ColdWar/???", if preferred.

Maybe "ColdWar/Contemporary"?

[prastle]

@Cernel all your terms are vague. They reffer to a perspective of time. Except the problem is your using your own perspective. I cant explain further than that glhf my fr

[CrazyG]

I'm a teacher. I could see a test question asking "which of the following words best describes the wars between Rome and Carthage?

a)Antique
b)Ancient
c)Old
d)Feral

And the correct answer is b)Ancient. This isn't subjective, the better word when speaking English in 2017 is Ancient. Antique is wrong because that word is not commonly used with that meaning

When I read the name Revolutional, it sounds like this category will contain maps than revolutionized tripleA. Or maybe maps that are going in circles around the sun? Nothing about that word implies that time period. If the variety of other words suggested (Colonial seems pretty reasonable to me) don't work, you should simply name the category "1492 to 1914".

We don't need a "Feral" Category. We can put Jurassic into Fantasy/Sci-Fi

We don't need an alternate history category. Isn't every ww2 map alternate history? Several of them make no effort whatsoever to recreate the events, or even start with accurate borders.

[prastle]

@CrazyG eloquent as always and well written cg

[Frostion]

I don't want to start a debate, but ...... I just want to point out that "Antique" in some languages refers to the Greek and Roman age. So this might be the reason that some people find "Antique" to be a reasonable term. Like in Danish: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikken

Also in danish, when Antique is used as a very broad term, anything before Antique is Prehistoric and anything after is Medieval. But some times the word "oldtid" (ancient/old times) is used for the ancient mesopotamian and egyptian times within recorded history.

No wonder people can have different views on this period listing

[prastle]

@Frostion I think the main real ? here is what terms can be easily understood by all with current English language.

Example - "Cute" in an old dictionary from the forties as I recall meant short, fat, ugly, and bow legged.

                      -  Now of course it means an attractive comely young bar maid. 

I think ya get the point that the English language evolves as does all languages. What needs to be determined is terms that are easily understood by all. Just my 2 cents

[CrazyG]

@Frostion
In the past Antique probably meant something closer to its Danish/German counterpart, but the language evolved. Antique is usually used as a noun, antiques are technically supposed to be at least 100 years old, but commonly you see "Antique shops" selling things from the 70's and 80's. Its by far the most common way to see the word used (in the USA and Canada at least). I've never heard someone use it to describe a time period

[Black_Elk]

If the multiple category thing feels too wordy, could just use a few prefixes. Like if you want a category that describes everything before or after the middle ages, you could just say Pre-Medieval or Post-Medieval, or something along those lines. Or you know, if you want something later in tame Pre-Industrial or Pre-Modern or the like. All the naming conventions are pretty Eurocentric, even the straight dates, but dates are easy to work with. Maybe something like Pre-20th Century?

I'd agree that a category like Classical probably isn't necessary. Classics is too specific anyway, for as much as I dig the Greeks and Romans (and that was my undergraduate major, so I feel like kind of a turncoat saying so, but its just a game here). Ancient is more generic and seems somehow more serviceable for anything well ancient. Better to have a broader umbrella for most of these, unless there's like a flurry of map making going down for all these other others eras. To me Antique suggests objects, like I hear antique and I think jars and chairs and whatnot, as CrazyG mentioned. Maybe if wewant to keep that one just go with Antiquity? The adjective Revolutional also sounds marked to me. I hear that word and strain to hear Revolutionary or something else instead. The less common usages feel somehow off when I read down the list, even if they mean more or less the same thing. In practical terms it probably just comes down to games set during the Second World War, and games that aren't haha. But a more expansive catalog for the other categories couldn't hurt.

Right now you basically have historical maps set before the Age of Discovery, those set after it, 3 categories for stuff in the 20th century (Before, During, and After WWII), and then a large category of non-historical/fictional settings. Seems good to me. Probably doesn't matter what you call them, if the dates are there most people will know what they're getting into.

I still dig that idea about the tags and filters, so that it can be more dynamic and reorganized according to different criteria later on.