How to modify borders on an existing map

Davor Pavlić

I see, alright ill get into it once i have all the outlines

Black_Elk

Sweet! Glad to hear it worked

Haha yeah so for a general how to guide, I know at various points people had planned to put some stuff together, but I don't know if it materialized? Maybe there's an older thread Lafayette or Cernel or somebody might recall. I'm not sure that the process is all that well documented though, or least not from the perspective of like first step, or step by step. Or like from the perspective of being kinda green with the whole thing.

I've helped to make a few maps, but that part is always a bit like a magic trick or something, whenever I see it go from an image to the actual game lol.

Maybe we could write a guide as we figure it out I guess. I really only know how to do a few things, and I almost got those down pat but other stuff has me kinda out of my depth. I was hella impressed with Frostion and Hepps just banging out maps, so all their threads are probably worth checking out, but they're at a pretty high level. The Shogun map is another cool one that has a lot of fun stuff in it. I've been meaning to start up another campaign there just to take the edge off haha. Iron War is a fun map though, like I can definitely get into this one again. Frostion put a lot into it, but then I think got a little burnt on WW2 and turned his attention more to Dragon War and building out the fantasy materials and sci fi materials. I still think this one is pretty top shelf though. Like it's probably my favorite tripleA map overall for solo entertainment value, so you know I'll show out lol

Oh bam there ya go! the Dog beat me to it haha. Yeah the Pact of Steel game has a ton of info, it's sorta like the main resource I think for learning how to tango with xml type stuff in tripleA.

Davor Pavlić

Oh man this XML thing seems tough to crack.

I've copied my baseTile map so i can go back to it if i mess something up, and on the new copied map i've drawn borders for splitting the TTs, like so :

I haven't touched anything else for fear of not messing it up lol. So i didn't do centers and polygons for this updated map yet, and i think i cant do it anyway because i need to edit the XML first and add the territories.

I took a look at the documentation (https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/blob/master/docs/map-making/tutorial/creating-custom-map-xml.md), from my understanding, in order to split Italy i could rename 'Italy' into 'North Italy', and add another TT and call it 'South Italy', like so :

Is that right?

Then it seems i need to make connections to other TTs that it is bordering, which i could do like this i guess :

I'm still scared to attempt this to not make a huge mess hahah

TheDog

@davor-pavlić
These files are a set, they must all match the changes you make.
centers.txt
place.txt
polygons.txt
MapName.xml

These files can be edited manually, if you work out the new entries.
centers.txt
place.txt
MapName.xml (Yes to Northern & Southern Italy)

However polygons.txt is too complicated and should be generated by the map tools.

Notepad++ will aid you as its a good text editor.
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

Davor Pavlić

@thedog

I keep getting this whenever i attempt to run Automatic Placement Finder. I've removed italy from XML and added 'Northern Italy' and 'Southern Italy', included them in XML, connected them to neighboring territories, and i still get this.

Note : I started getting this as soon as 'Italy' was removed from centers, so im confident i didn't mess anything up in XML editing. It keeps looking for Italy and showing up as error.

Possible solutions?

TheDog

@davor-pavlić
Do you copies of the files you need?

Then open these 4 files in Notepad++
centers.txt
place.txt
polygons.txt
MapName.xml

Search them for just Italy and remove the line with it on, as Italy does not exist anymore.

Try running Automatic Placement Finder, assuming you have run Polygon grabber.

Davor Pavlić

@thedog

Okay that took a while. I deleted Italy, East Prussia and Sakhalin lines from centers.txt, polygons.txt, places.txt and ironwar.xml.

I managed to do the new centers and polygons, finally Automatic Placement Finder ran, and i also deleted the previous baseTiles and replaced them with the new map.

I tried to give it a go in-game, and it doesn't want to run. This is what i get this time.

beelee

@davor-pavlić you might try saving all your current triplea downloadmaps saved games, then delete triplea and install again and just put all the new stuff in.

Sometimes stuff hides and triplea keeps looking for it. i don't fully understand it but worth a shot

TheDog

Try this, I have not read it.
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/438/solved-game-fails-to-start-no-data-of-type-centers-for-territory

Davor Pavlić

Nevermind, i didnt delete everything from XML, there are still loads of stuff in there such as unit placements and some attachments that contain ITALY, EAST PRUSSIA and SAKHALIN. The game probably tries to place units in those territories but there aren't any territories named like that.

Davor Pavlić

@davor-pavlić

Nope, didnt work, no idea what i am missing.

I searched the keywords in the XML, deleted everything, but the game still keeps looking for those territories.

Can i send someone the whole folder to check it out? I have no idea what i am missing.

beelee

@thedog said in How to modify borders on an existing map:

Try this, I have not read it.
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/438/solved-game-fails-to-start-no-data-of-type-centers-for-territory

It seems a naming error which i think 2.6 does different now. At any rate, looks as if Davor still deleting some stuff

Davor Pavlić

@beelee

I took a look at that thread and tbh i cant find any naming issue, especially since it worked
until now and i didnt rename anything.

I deleted the lines in XML which mentioned Italy, East Prussia and Sakhalin because those territory names no longer exist on my map. For the lines that add units and other attachmebts i changed every single one that again mentioned those territories, with my logic being that the map isnt running because the map keeps looking and placing stuff on non-existant territory.

Maybe i missed something somewhere, i dont know.

I have a backup copy of Iron War files so its not a big deal if i mess something up big time, but yeah, ill see what i can do tomorrow.

TheDog

@davor-pavlić
Zip up your whole wip folder and I will take a look if I have time tomorrow morning otherwise it will be Thursday morning.

beelee

@davor-pavlić yea sorry meant the referenced thread was about a naming error.

It seems triplea is still looking for something you've removed. I've had that happen with other things in the past

Davor Pavlić

@thedog

Alright ill send it tomorrow when i find the time

Davor Pavlić

@thedog

Here's the folder
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1d4lOQ2CbHLe_YhN-n6Gy3XuAaWHuE6lX?usp=share_link

TheDog

@davor-pavlić
You need to change Croatia to Yugoslavia in these files;
centers.txt
place.txt
polygons.txt
pu_place.txt

Add Northern & Southern Italy to pu_place.txt

Change Italy to Southern Italy? in vc.txt

In the xml
5157 Change Italy to Northern Italy
5617 Change Italy to Northern Italy
10021 Change Italy to Northern Italy
17730 Change Italy to Northern Italy

There are more but I will let you sort those out.

Post the file set again if you get stuck.

Davor Pavlić

@thedog

Uuuu i've missed a lot!

I done it now like you said, yeah i missed a lot of stuff lol.

Unfortunately it still shows the same error message

I just triple checked all txt files and xml with a search function, didn't find a single 'Italy, 'East Prussia', 'Croatia' or 'Sakhalin', everything is changed into appropriate new territory names. Of course except the Italy player, i didn't rename the player. I also fixed some border connections because i noticed i didn't have Southern Italy connected to any territories, im not sure if that impacts running the map but i've fixed that, and it still doesnt' run the map.

My lack of experience shows but im doing my best. I think it will take me a while to understand all this regarding the xml editing but once i get it down ill be good to go.

Here i uploaded a folder again, whenever you have time check it out and let me know what i should do
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1d4lOQ2CbHLe_YhN-n6Gy3XuAaWHuE6lX?usp=share_link

TheDog

@davor-pavlić
Hey, you are new to this and it is a steep learning curve, keep going, and will become a pro like me.

xml coding is complicated, there are so many inter linking elements to it.

Search for the hi-lighted text below, the Italy is part of a condition and trigger
line 7161is a Territory (not player/nation) so needs adding a Northern or Southern prefix.
directPresenceTerritories" value="Italy
The above is paired with line 10023

There will probably be more errors like this.