TWW 3.0.9? NTSH (ax) v (al) ubernaut Game 4
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In V3 Paratroopers may retreat if attacking along with land units from adjacent territories.
As this was not given in that specific case. I confirmed @ubernaut 's decision.Just for completeness: Paratroopers in Global 1940 may retreat if attacking along with land units from
adjacent territories, too.I reworded my above answer a bit, to make clear, that 'correct' referred to @ubernaut 's decision - and not to what the engine seemed to have allowed, provided we are under a v3 or Global1940 ruleset.
Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.
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Yes, there is definitely a program problem here. The program allows paratroopers to retreat whence their air transports entered the embattled territory if they did so from a land zone (in this case, Syria). I'm fairly certain this is not a TWW thing, but I'll test it using V3 just to make sure (as that would also be a better reference for a problem report).
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@Panther and thanks for confirming that
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@Cernel did you see the thing with the naval retreat allowing the transport to retreat into sz 72?
I did not look around at all. Can you give me the game-save and tell me which round and whose turn I should look at?
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@Cernel so wat you need to is load this before battle save:
scramble the fighters from transjordan to sz 53 then retreat the german forces in that sea battle sz 72 (the red sea will be available as a retreat option. this should not be possible since allies hold the canal
but also i think there might be a bigger problem here, @panther in naval battle forces should only be able to retreat along the path(s) they followed into battle right?
i have noticed the engine allowing similar alternative not taken paths as retreat options in recent games. in this one i think it allows 4 different option when it should allow only one i believe (sz52)
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@malmessi this is the turn start i cant tell what is happening in your battle but it sounds like you figured out you accidentally did a bombing raid and not an attack is that right?
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@ubernaut Yah, that's crazy to be sure. You should be able to retreat only to 52 Sea Zone (being whence the transport came).
I confirm the problem (on Windows 10). Do you intend to report it?
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@ubernaut
Game HistoryRound: 15 Reconnaissance Missions - Finland Finland collect 0 PUs; end with 10 PUs Reinforcing - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 0 PUs; end with 12 PUs Counter Intelligence Operations - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 0 PUs; end with 7 PUs Research Technology - Germany Trigger germanaTAM: Germany gains access to AdvancedMechanization Germany roll 11,3,9,5,7,7,2,9,8,1,4,11,9,8,3,12,10,12 and gets 2 hits Germany removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Germany discover AdvancedProduction Politics - Germany Germany spend 5 PUs on Political Action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden : rolling (1 out of 15) result: 4 = Failure! Germany fails on action: Political Action AxisProposeAlliancewithSweden Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanAL4: Setting transportCapacity to 7 for unitAttachment attached to Train Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting isInfrastructure to false for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting attack to 1 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra1: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy cleared for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanL4: Setting movement to 6 for unitAttachment attached to Train Trigger germanL2: Setting movement to 3 for unitAttachment attached to Truck Trigger germanHvyTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank1: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Trigger germanMecht3: Setting isLandTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanMecht4: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanHvyTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanHeavyTank Trigger germanTank2: Setting isLandTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanTank Britain scrambles 2 units out of Trans Jordan to defend against the attack in 53 Sea Zone Britain scrambles to create a battle in territory 53 Sea Zone Battle in 53 Sea Zone Italy loiter and taunt; Germany attack with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanFighter, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTransport Britain defend with 2 britishNavalFighters Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanFighter, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTransport in 53 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,08 expected hits Britain roll dice for 2 britishNavalFighters in 53 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 germanFighter owned by the Germany lost in 53 Sea Zone 2 britishNavalFighters owned by the Britain lost in 53 Sea Zone Germany win with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanTacticalBomber and 1 germanTransport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11 Casualties for Germany: 1 germanFighter Casualties for Britain: 2 britishNavalFighters Battle in Trans Jordan Germany attack with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 3 germanFighters, 3 germanInfantrys and 2 germanParatroopers Britain defend with 1 Flagpole, 1 Truck, 1 britishAirfield, 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys and 1 britishInfantry Britain roll AntiAircraftGun dice in Trans Jordan : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 3 germanFighters, 3 germanInfantrys and 2 germanParatroopers in Trans Jordan, round 2 : 1/10 hits, 2,75 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys and 1 britishInfantry in Trans Jordan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,08 expected hits 1 germanParatrooper owned by the Germany lost in Trans Jordan 1 britishInfantry owned by the Britain lost in Trans Jordan Britain roll AntiAircraftGun dice in Trans Jordan : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 3 germanFighters, 3 germanInfantrys and 1 germanParatrooper in Trans Jordan, round 3 : 1/9 hits, 2,58 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 britishAntiAirGun and 2 britishArtillerys in Trans Jordan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits 2 germanInfantrys owned by the Germany lost in Trans Jordan 1 britishArtillery owned by the Britain lost in Trans Jordan Britain roll AntiAircraftGun dice in Trans Jordan : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 3 germanFighters, 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanParatrooper in Trans Jordan, round 4 : 3/7 hits, 2,25 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 britishAntiAirGun and 1 britishArtillery in Trans Jordan, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 germanInfantry owned by the Germany and 1 germanParatrooper owned by the Germany lost in Trans Jordan 1 britishAntiAirGun owned by the Britain and 1 britishArtillery owned by the Britain lost in Trans Jordan Germany win with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport and 3 germanFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Germany: 3 germanInfantrys and 2 germanParatroopers Casualties for Britain: 1 britishAntiAirGun, 2 britishArtillerys and 1 britishInfantry Battle in Urals Germany attack with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 1 germanFighter, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 2 germanParatroopers and 1 germanTacticalBomber Russia defend with 1 Flagpole, 1 Rail, 1 ResearchCenter, 1 russianAircraftPlant, 1 russianAirfield, 1 russianBarracks, 1 russianFighter and 1 russianInfantry Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 1 germanFighter, 1 germanMech.Infantry, 2 germanParatroopers and 1 germanTacticalBomber in Urals, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1,92 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianFighter and 1 russianInfantry in Urals, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits 1 germanMech.Infantry owned by the Germany and 1 germanParatrooper owned by the Germany lost in Urals 1 russianInfantry owned by the Russia lost in Urals Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 1 germanFighter, 1 germanParatrooper and 1 germanTacticalBomber in Urals, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1,42 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 russianFighter in Urals, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,42 expected hits 1 germanFighter owned by the Germany lost in Urals 1 russianFighter owned by the Russia lost in Urals Germany captures one of Russia capitals Some non-combat units are destroyed: Germany win with 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport, 1 germanParatrooper and 1 germanTacticalBomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germany: 1 germanFighter, 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanParatrooper Casualties for Russia: 1 russianFighter and 1 russianInfantry Battle in Morrocco Germany attack with 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter, 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanNavalFighter ExiledAllies defend with 1 Flagpole; Usa defend with 1 americanInfantry Germany roll dice for 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter, 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanNavalFighter in Morrocco, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits ExiledAllies roll dice for 1 americanInfantry in Morrocco, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,25 expected hits 1 americanInfantry owned by the Usa lost in Morrocco Germany win with 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter, 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanNavalFighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Usa: 1 americanInfantry Battle in Northern Norway Germany attack with 1 germanInfantry and 2 germanNavalFighters ExiledAllies defend with 1 Flagpole; Britain defend with 1 britishInfantry Germany roll dice for 1 germanInfantry and 2 germanNavalFighters in Northern Norway, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits ExiledAllies roll dice for 1 britishInfantry in Northern Norway, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 britishInfantry owned by the Britain lost in Northern Norway Germany win with 1 germanInfantry and 2 germanNavalFighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Britain: 1 britishInfantry 1 germanInfantry moved from Novgorod to Vologda Germany take Vologda from Russia 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Ukraine to Caucasus Germany take Caucasus from Russia 1 germanInfantry moved from Norway to Central Norway Germany take Central Norway from ExiledAllies 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern Finland to Northern Norway 2 germanNavalFighters moved from Norway to Northern Norway 1 germanInfantry moved from Algeria to Morrocco 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Southern Spain to Morrocco 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter moved from Western Germany to Morrocco 1 germanFighter moved from Algeria to 53 Sea Zone 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Archangel to Urals 1 germanAirTransport and 2 germanParatroopers moved from Kharkov to Urals 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanFighter and 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Orel Kursk to Urals 1 germanAdvancedFighter moved from Turkey to 53 Sea Zone 3 germanInfantrys moved from Romania to 55 Sea Zone 3 germanInfantrys and 1 germanTransport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone 3 germanInfantrys moved from 53 Sea Zone to Trans Jordan 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Kharkov to 53 Sea Zone 1 germanAdvancedFighter moved from Turkey to Trans Jordan 3 germanFighters moved from Eastern Turkey to Trans Jordan 1 germanAirTransport and 2 germanParatroopers moved from Southern Ukraine to Trans Jordan 1 germanInfantry moved from Algeria to Morrocco Germany take Urals from Russia Germany take Morrocco from ExiledAllies Germany take Northern Norway from ExiledAllies Non Combat Move - Germany Trigger germanIL2: Setting isAirTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanCombatEngineer Trigger germanMecht1: Setting isLandTransport to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanAL6: Setting isAirTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanInfantry Trigger germanAL6: Setting isAirTransportable to true for unitAttachment attached to germanMarine Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germany from 53 Sea Zone: 1 germanTacticalBomber EDIT: Adding units owned by Germany to Crete: 1 germanFighter EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger IncomeRegulationVichy1: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentYesVichy attached to VichyFrance Trigger germanAL5: Setting transportCapacity to 5 for unitAttachment attached to Train Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting isInfrastructure to true for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting attack to 0 for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanAirtraninfra2: Setting destroyedWhenCapturedBy to FROM:Germany for unitAttachment attached to germanAirTransport Trigger germanL5: Setting movement to 5 for unitAttachment attached to Train Trigger germanL3: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to Truck Trigger germanIL3: Setting isAirTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanCombatEngineer Trigger germanAL7: Setting isAirTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanInfantry Trigger germanAL7: Setting isAirTransportable to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMarine Trigger germanMecht2: Setting isLandTransport to false for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanProd: Germany has 1 Material placed in Berlin 1 germanAirTransport moved from Trans Jordan to Syria 1 germanAdvancedFighter, 1 germanAirTransport and 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Urals to Archangel 1 germanAdvancedFighter moved from 53 Sea Zone to Kharkov 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel 1 Truck and 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Germany to Eastern Poland 1 Material and 1 Truck moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine 1 germanCombatEngineer moved from Romania to Western Ukraine 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter moved from Western France to Crete 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Vichy France to Crete 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter and 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Morrocco to Algeria 2 Trucks and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Southern Ukraine to Voronezh 1 germanCombatEngineer and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Kharkov to Voronezh 1 germanTacticalBomber moved from Poland to Kharkov 1 germanAdvancedNavalFighter moved from Norway to Kharkov 2 germanInfantrys moved from Orel Kursk to Voronezh 1 Truck moved from Western Ukraine to Romania 1 Truck, 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanTank moved from Romania to Kharkov 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern Norway to Norway 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Northern Norway to Leningrad 1 germanFighter moved from Trans Jordan to Crete 1 Truck moved from Belorussia to Eastern Poland 1 Material and 1 Truck moved from Eastern Poland to Lativa Estonia 1 Truck and 1 germanInfantry moved from Pskov to Archangel 1 Truck and 1 germanArtillery moved from Belorussia to Voronezh 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanMech.Infantry moved from Smolensk to Eastern Karelia 1 germanArtillery moved from Belorussia to Orel Kursk 1 germanAdvancedFighter moved from Trans Jordan to Turkey 2 germanFighters moved from Trans Jordan to Eastern Turkey 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Turkey to Syria 1 Train, 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Spain 1 Train moved from Southern Spain to Paris 3 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Spain to Southern Spain 1 germanCombatEngineer moved from Eastern Poland to Belorussia 1 germanTransport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanInfantry and 2 germanMarines moved from Copenhagen to 27 Sea Zone 1 Train, 1 germanAntiAirGun and 2 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Italy to Southern Ukraine 1 Train moved from Southern Ukraine to Romania 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern Italy to 47 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Vichy France to 47 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer moved from Rome to 47 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer, 2 germanInfantrys and 1 germanTransport moved from 47 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer and 2 germanInfantrys moved from 43 Sea Zone to Algeria 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Eastern Germany to Kharkov 1 germanFighter moved from Eastern Germany to Orel Kursk 1 germanNavalFighter moved from Copenhagen to Northern Germany 2 germanInfantrys moved from Western Germany to Northern Germany 3 germanInfantrys moved from Northern Germany to 27 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer and 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Germany to 27 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer, 4 germanInfantrys and 2 germanTransports moved from 27 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Berlin to Northern Germany 1 germanInfantry moved from Finland to 29 Sea Zone 1 germanCombatEngineer and 5 germanInfantrys moved from 29 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 Truck and 1 germanInfantry moved from Finland to Eastern Karelia 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanMarine and 1 germanTransport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery moved from Finland to 28 Sea Zone 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanMarine and 1 germanTransport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Finland to Northern Finland 1 germanInfantry moved from Eastern Finland to Leningrad 1 germanAntiTankGun moved from Vichy France to Northern Spain 1 germanInfantry moved from Western France to Northern Spain 2 germanInfantrys moved from Vichy France to Paris 1 Train moved from Eastern Poland to Austria 1 Train, 2 germanAlpineInfantrys and 1 germanInfantry moved from Austria to Southern Spain 1 germanSubmarine moved from 25 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 germanSubmarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 3 germanSubmarines moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 germanInfantry moved from Southern Ukraine to Eastern Ukraine 2 Trucks moved from Voronezh to Kharkov 1 germanInfantry moved from Low Countries to Northern Germany 1 germanInfantry moved from Northern France to Low Countries 1 germanInfantry moved from Paris to Northern France 1 germanInfantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod 1 germanArtillery, 1 germanCombatEngineer, 1 germanInfantry and 2 germanMarines moved from 27 Sea Zone to Northern Germany 12 germanArtillerys, 5 germanCombatEngineers, 4 germanInfantrys, 5 germanMech.Infantrys, 5 germanMobileArtillerys and 8 germanTanks moved from Smolensk to Voronezh 1 Truck moved from Voronezh to Orel Kursk Purchase Units - Germany Germany buy 1 Material, 1 Rail, 1 Truck, 1 germanAirTransport, 2 germanAlpineInfantrys, 2 germanDestroyers, 2 germanInfantrys, 2 germanMech.Infantrys, 2 germanMobileArtillerys and 2 germanParatroopers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Place Units - Germany Units in Western Ukraine being upgraded or consumed: 1 Material 1 Rail placed in Western Ukraine 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanMobileArtillery placed in Belorussia 1 germanMech.Infantry and 1 germanMobileArtillery placed in Algeria 1 germanInfantry placed in Paris 1 germanInfantry and 1 germanParatrooper placed in Kharkov 1 Material, 1 germanAirTransport and 1 germanParatrooper placed in Eastern Germany 1 Truck placed in Western Germany 1 germanDestroyer placed in 25 Sea Zone 1 germanDestroyer placed in 27 Sea Zone 2 germanAlpineInfantrys placed in Austria Activate Technology - Germany Germany activating AdvancedProduction Trigger germanImpMech: Setting defense to 4 for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Trigger germanImpMech: Setting receivesAbilityWhenWith to canBlitz:germanTank for unitAttachment attached to germanMech.Infantry Turn Complete - Germany Germany collect 88 PUs; end with 88 PUs Trigger germanAP1: Germany met a national objective for an additional 3 Optional[PUs]; end with 91 Optional[PUs] Trigger germanIP: Germany met a national objective for an additional 3 Optional[PUs]; end with 94 Optional[PUs] Objective VichyFrance2: Germany met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 97 PUs Units generate 12 techTokens; Germany end with 12 techTokens Units Change Ownership Some Units in Algeria change ownership: 2 germanCombatEngineers and 2 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchments Purchase Units - VichyFrance VichyFrance buy 2 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Place Units - VichyFrance 2 germanInfantrys placed in Vichy France Turn Complete - VichyFrance VichyFrance collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Algeria change ownership: 2 germanCombatEngineers and 2 germanEntrenchments Some Units in Vichy France change ownership: 2 germanInfantrys Purchase Units - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis buy 4 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Place Units - DanubeAxis 4 germanInfantrys placed in Romania Turn Complete - DanubeAxis DanubeAxis collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs Some Units in Romania change ownership: 4 germanInfantrys Purchase Units - Finland Finland buy 3 germanInfantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Place Units - Finland 3 germanInfantrys placed in Finland Turn Complete - Finland Finland collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Eastern Finland change ownership: 1 germanEntrenchment and 2 germanFortifications Some Units in Finland change ownership: 3 germanInfantrys Some Units in Northern Finland change ownership: 2 germanEntrenchmentsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Britain AntiAircraftGun : -0,50 Germany regular : -2,17 ExiledAllies regular : -0,58 Russia regular : 1,75 Britain regular : 2,58 -
@Cernel should i just add it to the existing issue or make new one you think?
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