Game 1 EXP Trout vs Johnny Cat

[wc_sumpton]

@johnnycat

You are reporting on an error with version 2.7.14962. The cause of this error, ERROR o.t.game.client.HeadedGameRunner - null java.lang.NullPointerException: null. This is a null value stored in the saved game header and has already rectify. This may make some newer version save incompatibility with older versions. This 'save incompatibility' does not happen all the time. @Trout is using 2.7.15256, you @beelee are using 2.7.14962. Ask @beelee if he can open the save game, I could not using 2.7.14962. I was able to use 2.7.15025 and load @Trout's da2aa41c-2e53-4842-b48e-19ad613c9a5a-exp-game-1-jc-g1.tsvg saved game.
Even though a higher version can open a lower version save, the reverse may not hold true.
Hope this is helpful, please direct any further inquiries regarding this matter directly to your in-game representative @beelee .

Cheers...

P.S. A 2.7.15025 save was still incapnot work able with 2.7.14962, so reposting a save will not help. Everyone needs to be on the same map version because the saved game contains a lot of map specific information and can cause a lot of incapability issues. Also 2.7 higher 15026 may not work with lower versions. Although this issue is kind of hit or miss.

Again Cheers...

And etcetera...
It was this saved game, da2aa41c-2e53-4842-b48e-19ad613c9a5a-exp-game-1-jc-g1.tsvg, from @Trout that has been the bane of my past few days. It will not work with 2.7.15278 because of an 'any' problem, won't work with 2.7.14962 because of a 'null' in the save file header.
Please, please... help @JohnnyCat, get this game rolling. Give a guy (me) a break

Cheers...

[beelee]

@wc_sumpton

Good Afternoon Gentleman

Yea I couldn't get Trout's save to work either when he first posted it. So It must be the triplea engine versions.

Trout had recently updated but our current game continued to work, so i didn't give it much thought.

I'm not really sure the status of the latest prerelease, so @Trout , I'd suggest using 14962 or whatever one it was you were using when we started our last game and trying another save.

https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases/tag/2.7.14962

@JohnnyCat I will start a test for us just to see if we can get it to work and there isn't some other problem.

I will do that directly

Edit
I just tried to load Trouts save again and it doesn't work. I should have ciphered that sooner but then mental failures are nothing new to me

Edit 2
@JohnnyCat try using this save and select pbem.

EXP Cat Test Game 1.tsvg

It should take you to the German Purchase window. It should say "Dice Server On" bottom right

[wc_sumpton]

@beelee said in Game 1 EXP Trout vs Johnny Cat:

Yea I couldn't get Trout's save to work either when he first posted it. So It must be the triplea engine versions.

Your last game may have been started with 2.7.14926, which would have created the game header. The game header information is stored and read like the xml. Even though @Trout may have used a different version, the stored/old header is still written to the save file.
Here @Trout is creating the first save, so his version is creating the header.

Cheers...

[beelee]

@wc_sumpton

yea thought it might be something like that. Shoulda picked up on this sooner lol

[wc_sumpton]

@beelee

When things work, things work. It's when they don't work that problems start. Don't be too hard on yourself, you catch a lot of things others don't see.
exp-cat-test-game-1.tsvg on 2.7.14926 on 2.7.15025 on 2.7.15256 didn't test because I don't have a copy loaded.

Cheers...

[beelee]

@wc_sumpton

This lady brought here car to my mechanic buddy. "It was working just fine and now it doesn't"

He goes "yea things work and they work and when they break, they don't work anymore "

[JohnnyCat]

Thank for any help. I've been playing this game solo for many months and long to actually play a person.

And Mister Tasty Fish is the perfect Mark, ah I mean highly skilled competitor, for this slaughter, ah I mean well balance game of whits and skills.

Those Nazi scum will PAY for taking Paris !

PS. This is far more interesting than watching a bunch of rich kids on steroids get paid to play with a ball, moooohafahaha

[beelee]

@johnnycat

were you able to get the save I made to work ?

EXP Cat Test Game 1.tsvg

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee Yes I was able to select Start Local Game and your save and it worked fine

But if I tried Play By Forum is got this

[beelee]

@johnnycat

try "Play By Email" not Forum

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee OK. Choosing Play by Email allowed me to open the saved game, purchase some units, play G1... then there were some final posting options but none of those worked presumably because I did not have it set up for real play?

[beelee]

@johnnycat

yea so with pbem

you do your turn them hit "View Turn Summary"

ctrl a

ctrl c

You now have the turn summary copied.

Now ctrl s and make a saved game. I usually state game, opponent, player turn

Then post both to the game thread.

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Note to players Germans: <body><br /><font size="5"><b> 2.6 </b><br /></font><font size="3"><br /></font><font size="5"><b>Game Notes are now Listed under the Help Tab.</b></body>
        Note to players Germans:   IMPORTANT  Sometimes triplea will not allow you to make a legal landing on a Carrier. Use edit to replace Units as needed.  Do Not Land or Fly Over Friendly Neutral Territories Activated t....
        Note to players Germans:   Mid Battle Game Save  The Hot Key "Ctrl S" will Not Work. You will need to use the Mouse.
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionGermans
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionRussians
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionJapanese
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionAmericans
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionBritish
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionItalians
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionANZAC
        Trigger BuyLMs: buyMine_Unarmed added to productionFrench
        Trigger SubPen: buySubPen added to productionGermans
        Trigger BuyFortifications: buyFortification added to productionJapanese
        Trigger BuyFortifications: buyFortification added to productionAmericans
        Trigger BuyFortifications: buyFortification added to productionBritish
        Trigger BuyFortifications: buyFortification added to productionANZAC
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionGermans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionJapanese
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionAmericans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionBritish
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionANZAC
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine added to productionItalians
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionGermans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionJapanese
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionAmericans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionBritish
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionANZAC
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine2 added to productionItalians
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionGermans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionJapanese
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionAmericans
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionBritish
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionANZAC
        Trigger GermansNavalMines: buyNavalMine3 added to productionItalians
        Trigger Me 109T: buyMe_109T added to productionGermans
        Trigger BuyNavyFtrs: buyNavyFighter added to productionJapanese
        Trigger BuyNavyFtrs: buyNavyFighter added to productionAmericans
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyG_Air_Transport added to productionGermans
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionJapanese
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionAmericans
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionRussians
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionBritish
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionItalians
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionANZAC
        Trigger BuyAirTrprt: buyAir_Transport added to productionFrench
        Trigger BuyEngnrs: buyGerman_Engineer added to productionGermans
        Trigger BuyEngnrs: buyJapan_Engineer added to productionJapanese
        Trigger BuyEngnrs: buyUSA_Engineer added to productionAmericans
        Trigger BuyEngnrs: buyRussian_Engineer added to productionRussians
        Trigger 1stWaffenPnzrArmy: Germans has 1 1stWaffenPnzrArmy placed in 1st Waffen Panzer
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsSamoa: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Samoa
        triggerAttachmen2ndSovietAGFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd Army Group
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA Wake: Americans has 1 infantry placed in Wake Island
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA HI: Americans has 1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 2 usa_fighters placed in Hawaiian Islands
        triggerAttachmen2ndPanzerArmy: Germans has 1 2ndPanzerArmy placed in 2nd Panzer
        Trigger PacificEXPJPNFormosa: Japanese has 2 infantry placed in Formosa
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupCentreFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in Army Group Centre
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsNG: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in New Guinea
        triggerAttachmen1stUSTankFctry: Americans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st USA Tank
        triggerAttachmen1stUSTank: Americans has 1 1stUSTank placed in 1st USA Tank
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsMarianas: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Marianas
        Trigger SpainSNN: Neutral_True has 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Spain
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupNorth: Germans has 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ArmyGroupNorth and 1 Army_Group placed in Army Group North
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA AK: Americans has 1 aaGun and 3 infantry placed in Alaska
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupSouthFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in Army Group South
        Trigger PacificEXPJPNIwo: Japanese has 1 aaGun and 1 infantry placed in Iwo Jima
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsFiji: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Fiji
        Trigger 4thWaffenArmy: Germans has 1 4thWaffenArmy placed in 4th Waffen
        triggerAttachmen2ndTankArmyFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd Tank
        triggerAttachmen1stPanzerArmy: Germans has 1 1stPanzerArmy placed in 1st Panzer
        triggerAttachmen1stWaffenArmy: Germans has 1 1stWaffenArmy placed in 1st Waffen
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsMex: Changer has 1 4_PU placed in Mexico
        triggerAttachmenOverflowUSA: Americans has 2 AirCommanderFtrs, 2 AirCommanderTacs, 6 usa_fighterAFs and 6 usa_tactical_bomberAFs placed in Overflow
        Trigger 2ndAirFleet: Russians has 1 2ndAirFleet placed in 2nd AirFleet
        triggerAttachmen2ndPanzerArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd Panzer
        triggerAttachmen1stCorps: Russians has 1 1stCorps placed in 1st Corps
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsPhil: Changer has 1 5_PU placed in Philippines
        triggerAttachmen3rdPanzerArmy: Germans has 1 3rdPanzerArmy placed in 3rd Panzer
        Trigger USA1stAirFleet: Americans has 1 USA1stAirFleet placed in 1st USA AirFleet
        triggerAttachmen2ndSovietAG: Russians has 1 2ndSovietAG, 1 ArmyGroupActive and 1 Army_Group placed in 2nd Army Group
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsCelebes: Changer has 1 4_PU placed in Celebes
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsIwo: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Iwo Jima
        triggerAttachmenUSADesertArmy: Americans has 1 1stDesertUS placed in USA Desert
        Trigger 3rdLuftflotten: Germans has 1 3rdLuftflotten placed in 3rd Luftflotten
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsOkinawa: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Okinawa
        Trigger PacificEXPOkinawaJPN: Japanese has 1 infantry placed in Okinawa
        triggerAttachmen1stUSAG: Americans has 1 1stUSAG, 1 ArmyGroupActive and 1 Army_Group placed in USA Army Group
        triggerAttachmen1stCorpsFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Corps
        triggerAttachmen1stTankArmyFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Tank
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsCaroline: Changer has 1 3_PU placed in Caroline Islands
        Trigger ArgentinaSNN: Neutral_True has 1 armour placed in Argentina
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsAleutians: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Aleutian Islands
        triggerAttachmenUKDesertArmy: British has 1 1stDesertUK placed in UK Desert
        Trigger PacificEXPJPNCaroline: Japanese has 1 aaGun, 2 fighters and 2 infantry placed in Caroline Islands
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsDNG: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Dutch New Guinea
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA Guam: Americans has 1 infantry placed in Guam
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsSolomon: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Solomon Islands
        triggerAttachmen3rdCorps: Russians has 1 3rdCorps placed in 3rd Corps
        triggerAttachmenUKDesertArmyFctry: British has 1 BoxFctry placed in UK Desert
        triggerAttachmenCredits: Changer has 1 TheCaptain placed in Credits
        Trigger 1stLuftflotten: Germans has 1 1stLuftflotten placed in 1st Luftflotten
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsHainan: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Hainan
        Trigger PacificEXPUK Borneo: British has 1 infantry placed in Borneo
        Trigger PacificEXPJPNMarianas: Japanese has 1 infantry placed in Marianas
        Trigger 2ndLuftflotten: Germans has 1 2ndLuftflotten placed in 2nd Luftflotten
        Trigger SwedenSNN: Neutral_True has 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 fighters placed in Sweden
        triggerAttachmen3rdCorpsFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 3rd Corps
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsAK: Changer has 1 5_PU placed in Alaska
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA Midway: Americans has 1 aaGun and 2 infantry placed in Midway
        triggerAttachmen2ndTankArmy: Russians has 1 2ndTankArmy placed in 2nd Tank
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsLine: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Line Islands
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsMidway: Changer has 1 3_PU placed in Midway
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupSouth: Germans has 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ArmyGroupSouth and 1 Army_Group placed in Army Group South
        triggerAttachmen1stUSAGFctry: Americans has 1 BoxFctry placed in USA Army Group
        Trigger PacificEXPUK NG: ANZAC has 2 infantry placed in New Guinea
        triggerAttachmen3rdPanzerArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 3rd Panzer
        Trigger PacificEXPJPNPaulau: Japanese has 1 infantry placed in Paulau Island
        Trigger 2ndWaffenArmy: Germans has 1 2ndWaffenArmy placed in 2nd Waffen
        Trigger ChileSNN: Neutral_True has 1 fighter placed in Chile
        triggerAttachmen1stDesertArmy: Germans has 1 DAK placed in 1st Desert
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsGilbert: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Gilbert Islands
        triggerAttachmen1stDesertArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Desert
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupCentre: Germans has 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ArmyGroupCentre and 1 Army_Group placed in Army Group Centre
        triggerAttachmenOverflow: Russians has 2 AirCommanderFtrs, 2 AirCommanderTacs, 3 Soviet_Commisar_3s, 2 Tank_General3s, 6 fighterAFs and 6 tactical_bomberAFs placed in Overflow
        triggerAttachmenGermanFlow: Germans has 3 GAirCommanderFtrs, 3 GAirCommanderTacs, 6 GfighterAFs, 6 Gtactical_bomberAFs, 3 Panzer_General3s and 3 Waffen_Oberst_3s placed in GermanFlow
        Trigger 1stAirFleet: Russians has 1 1stAirFleet placed in 1st AirFleet
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsGuam: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Guam
        Trigger 3rdWaffenArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 3rd Waffen
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsWake: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Wake Island
        Trigger PacificEXPUK Gilbert: British has 2 infantry placed in Gilbert Islands
        triggerAttachmen1stPanzerArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Panzer
        Trigger 3rdWaffenArmy: Germans has 1 3rdWaffenArmy placed in 3rd Waffen
        triggerAttachmenArmyGroupNorthFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in Army Group North
        triggerAttachmen2ndCorpsFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd Corps
        triggerAttachmen1stSovietAG: Russians has 1 1stSovietAG, 1 ArmyGroupActive and 1 Army_Group placed in 1st Army Group
        triggerAttachmen1stWaffenArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Waffen
        triggerAttachmenUSADesertArmyFctry: Americans has 1 BoxFctry placed in USA Desert
        triggerAttachmen2ndCorps: Russians has 1 2ndCorps placed in 2nd Corps
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsPaula: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Paulau Island
        Trigger 2ndWaffenArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd Waffen
        Trigger PortugalSNN: Neutral_True has 1 artillery placed in Portugal
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsCeylon: Changer has 1 1_PU placed in Ceylon
        Trigger PacificEXPUK Solomon: ANZAC has 1 aaGun and 2 infantry placed in Solomon Islands
        triggerAttachmen1stTankArmy: Russians has 1 1stTankArmy placed in 1st Tank
        Trigger TurkeySNN: Neutral_True has 1 armour and 2 fighters placed in Turkey
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsHI: Changer has 1 4_PU placed in Hawaiian Islands
        triggerAttachmen1stUKTankFctry: British has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st UK Tank
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA Mexico: Americans has 2 infantry placed in Mexico
        Trigger PacificEXP PUsFormosa: Changer has 1 2_PU placed in Formosa
        Trigger SwitzerlandSNN: Neutral_True has 1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Switzerland
        Trigger USA2ndAirFleet: Americans has 1 USA2ndAirFleet placed in 2nd USA AirFleet
        triggerAttachmen1stUKTank: British has 1 1stUKTank placed in 1st UK Tank
        triggerAttachmen2ndUSTankFctry: Americans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 2nd USA Tank
        triggerAttachmen2ndUSTank: Americans has 1 2ndUSTank placed in 2nd USA Tank
        Trigger PacificEXPUSA Phil: Americans has 1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 1 usa_fighter placed in Philippines
        Trigger VenezuelaSNN: Neutral_True has 1 fighter placed in Venezuela
        triggerAttachmen1stSovietAGFctry: Russians has 1 BoxFctry placed in 1st Army Group
        Trigger 4thWaffenArmyFctry: Germans has 1 BoxFctry placed in 4th Waffen
        Germans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 30 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceGermans: Germans has 2 G_Rails placed in Germany

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermans: has removed 2 G_Rails owned by Germans in Germany
        1 artillery moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 30 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Trigger Germans AdvancedProduction: Germans met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs

EXP Cat Test Game 1 G1.tsvg

Edit
You can also use pbf but lets get you up and running with pbem first.

[JohnnyCat]

exp-cat-test-game-save1.tsvg

what happens if I miss copying the game summary text?

Is there instructions for how to do this? Am I supposed to be using play by email with Trout? I thought it was play by forum?

What is the point all this? What is contained in the game save file and what else do I need to provide?

I did a German turn 1 in this case. No combat and Hitler bought a carrier and two fighters.

If this was for real is this file I attached enough or do I have to do more? What would be the purpose of copying the game summary text?

THanks

[beelee]

@johnnycat

The turn summary shows what happened during the turn. It's not required as it's also in History but almost all Forum/PBEM players use it.

It's in my post above. Let me know which specific step you had trouble with.

pbem and pbf are slightly different. They are interchangeable but I didn't want to throw too much information at you at once

I will check your save and we will do a few turns for you to get the hang of it

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee wait let's start over form the beginning. I just realized we both did a German turn 1 right?

[JohnnyCat]

And how does Trout and I move on and play that game?

[beelee]

@johnnycat

OK

lets do a few test turns. Trout and you will just start a new one.

I'm gonna do a G1. Be 10 min maybe

So I need to know if you want to scramble to 110 or 111. What we do is post a screenshot of the scramble area for easy to see

and a saved game so you can see the entire combat moves as that can affect whether you want to scramble or not. You do this at the end of your NCM but before starting Combat phase

EXP Cat Test Game 2 G1 Scramble.tsvg

[JohnnyCat]

@beelee NEVER EVER Scramble planes. Thanks

[JohnnyCat]

@johnnycat I meant - never on turn 1. In anticipation of us playing many more games ....

[beelee]

@johnnycat

heh heh

I should ask if you want to kill the CA before the DD in 111 also.

Edit
Since this just a test I'm gonna bomb through the move. Trout online and probably set you up with a new one.

Lets see if we can get you to SSR 1