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      KurtGodel7 Lobby Moderators @Cernel
      last edited by KurtGodel7

      @Cernel said:

      @KurtGodel7 said:

      Map changes, including some border changes and the creation of the Pripet Marshes.

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      Specify to Claude that's 1941.

      When either can be chosen, I've chosen one. For example, Wurttemberg can be called either Wurttemberg or Baden, and I've chosen Baden.

      Also, you should be consistent: either have Koenigsberg and Wuerttemberg or Konigsberg and Wurttemberg. Your call.

      (Current : New)
      Koenigsberg : eastern East Prussia
      East Prussia : Koenigsberg
      Danzig : Danzig - West Prussia
      West Prussia : Wartheland
      Posen : Lower Silesia
      Silesia : Upper Silesia
      Pomerania : Pomerania
      Bohemia : Bohemia - Moravia
      Vienna : Austria
      Bavaria : Bavaria
      Wurttemberg : Baden
      Saxony : Saxony
      Berlin : Berlin
      Hesse : Rhineland
      Ruhr : Westphalia
      Hanover : Hanover
      Hamburg : Hamburg

      The new map of Europe
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      I was doing this while you were creating your list of names. I will hit Claude with that list. But if the new shapes inspire any thoughts about name changes lmk.

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        Cernel Moderators Lobby Moderators @KurtGodel7
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        @KurtGodel7 Wait then. I'll make the new list based on the new map.

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          Cernel Moderators Lobby Moderators @KurtGodel7
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          @KurtGodel7 said:

          The new map of Europe

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          (Current : New)
          East Prussia : East Prussia
          Danzig : Danzig
          West Prussia : West Prussia
          Posen : Wartheland
          Silesia : Lower Silesia
          Pomerania : northern Pomerania
          Neumark : southern Pomerania
          Bohemia : Bohemia - Moravia
          Vienna : Austria
          Bavaria : Bavaria
          Wurttemberg : Baden
          Saxony : Saxony
          Berlin : Berlin
          Hesse : Rhineland
          Ruhr : Westphalia
          Hanover : Hanover
          Hamburg : Hamburg

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            Vendetta @KurtGodel7
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            @KurtGodel7 The outlines for Hungary, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland. and Romania are a lot more coherent now. There's still a bit of weirdness with with how far north Bessarabia extends and Lwow curling around Slovakia, but on the whole this is a major improvement over the previous version.

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              KurtGodel7 Lobby Moderators @Cernel
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              @Cernel said:

              @KurtGodel7 said:

              The new map of Europe

              image.jpeg

              (Current : New)
              East Prussia : East Prussia
              Danzig : Danzig
              West Prussia : West Prussia
              Posen : Wartheland
              Silesia : Lower Silesia
              Pomerania : northern Pomerania
              Neumark : southern Pomerania
              Bohemia : Bohemia - Moravia
              Vienna : Austria
              Bavaria : Bavaria
              Wurttemberg : Baden
              Saxony : Saxony
              Berlin : Berlin
              Hesse : Rhineland
              Ruhr : Westphalia
              Hanover : Hanover
              Hamburg : Hamburg

              Claude's take on this:


              Posen --> Wartheland

              Agree. That’s exactly Reichsgau Wartheland in 1941. It also matches “West Prussia” (Danzig–West Prussia), which already uses the 1941 German name.

              Bohemia --> Bohemia/Moravia

              Agree. It’s the Protectorate.

              Vienna--> Austria

              Already done in draft 100.

              Silesia--> Lower Silesia

              Disagree. German Upper Silesia is in it, so “Lower” would be wrong. Keep Silesia.

              Neumark --> southern Pomerania

              Disagree. Schneidemühl did become Pomeranian in 1938, but Landsberg and Frankfurt an der Oder were Brandenburg. Landsberg was the Neumark’s chief town. If a change is wanted, “Grenzmark” fits the Schneidemühl half better. Pomerania then needs no “northern”.

              Wurttemberg --> Baden

              Disagree. “Baden” would drop Stuttgart. The accurate name, Baden-Württemberg, dates from 1952. Keep Wurttemberg.

              Hesse --> Rhineland

              Disagree, mildly. It’s a mix, but Cologne, the heart of the Rhineland, is in our Ruhr territory. “Rhineland” would mislead, so keep Hesse.

              Ruhr --> Westphalia

              Either works. Ruhr is the name players know, and it covers Cologne. Westphalia is more “provincial” in style but excludes Cologne. I’d keep Ruhr.


              I didn't like the name Bohemia/Moravia. Where possible I'd prefer for a territory to have one name instead of two. I asked Claude what a good one word name would be. It gave me the following.


              A one-word name for Bohemia–Moravia. There’s no perfect one. The real choices:

              Bohemia (my recommendation). It’s the usual English shorthand for the whole Czech lands, and it’s what most WWII games use.
              Czechia. This is one word and covers both halves accurately. But in 1941 English it was rare, and it reads as the modern country’s name.
              Protectorate. It’s historically exact, but it’s not a place name, and it would sit oddly next to Silesia and Austria.


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                KurtGodel7 Lobby Moderators
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                The latest iteration of the map.

                image.jpeg

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                  KurtGodel7 Lobby Moderators
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                  Some of the new tech names

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                  Advanced Panzerfaust is supposed to say "Panzerfaust 150" but it got cut off.

                  Normally you are limited to one bombardment shot per unit unloaded. Naval gunfire support increases that cap to two bombardment shots per unit unloaded.

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                    KurtGodel7 Lobby Moderators
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                    America Pacific's tech tree

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                    Unlike America Atlantic, America Pacific is able to research TBF Avenger (improved naval combat for torpedo bombers). Also combat air patrol (carriers get to participate in the interception phase). Also, B-24 Liberator and the Superfortress. Also the VT Proximity Fuze (ships hit by enemy air fire back on a +1).

                    America Atlantic's research screen

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                    Techs that America Atlantic has that America Pacific lacks:
                    P-47 Thunderbolt. Adds +1 to hitpoints for dive bombers
                    HVAR Rockets: improves dive bombers against land
                    FIDO: improves torpedo bombers against subs
                    M7 Priest: allows you to build M7 Priests
                    Fire Direction Center: allows each Priest to support two units (offense only)
                    Flying Fortress and Combat Box

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                      Schulz
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                      Berlin should not be closer to Krakow than Warsaw is. Either Silesia should be split, or Neumark and West Prussia should be merged.

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                        Vendetta @KurtGodel7
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                        @KurtGodel7

                        That extra bit that’s on the east end of Hungary in your latest version is Ruthenia, which would actually be a good area to carve out as a separate 1 value province (it looks big enough on that map to be viable as one).

                        It was part of Czechoslovakia before the war, given to Hungary when Czechoslovakia was partitioned, and then annexed by the Soviets after the war - now a part of Ukraine today.

                        Budapest should probably just be Hungary since it’s a one province country on your map like Austria or Switzerland.

                        @Schulz said:

                        Berlin should not be closer to Krakow than Warsaw is. Either Silesia should be split, or Neumark and West Prussia should be merged.

                        Upper Silesia (east) and Lower Silesia (west) are the natural divisions if you decide to split Silesia.

                        One more aspect to think about is color palette. The gray on the Pripet Marshes space looks pretty close to Germany’s territory color, it will probably stand out more easily if it’s darkened to a charcoal or ashy gray.

                        Italy in light gray and Germany in darker also don’t have a whole lot of contrast with each other. If you make Italy’s territories a light mauve (something like #ddc2cb), it might help them stand out a bit, since Germany’s gray has a bit of a blue tint.

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