Roger's Scenario Thread

RogerCooper

@prastle I see the trains. I don't see how they make TWW a better game. Why not use higher move speeds or move bonuses to achieve the same effect?

prastle

@RogerCooper The infra structure can be destroyed or "Rails" destroyed thus more historically accurate. Is I am guessing @Hepps thoughts

RogerCooper

@prastle said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@RogerCooper The infra structure can be destroyed or "Rails" destroyed thus more historically accurate. Is I am guessing @Hepps thoughts

Destroying railroad infrastructure is not historically accurate. Although the actual rails can be pulled apart, the rails can be easily replaced. Even railroad bridges can be rebuilt fairly quickly. The Germans had specialized railroad engineer units in WW2.

You could also have that effect of speeding up movement within your own country with terrain effects or by having railroad stations that give a movement boost.

For a more interesting take on railroads see Warlords: FFA. China's rail net was much less dense than Europe's so depicting specific rail lines make sense.

Hepps

@RogerCooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@prastle said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@RogerCooper The infra structure can be destroyed or "Rails" destroyed thus more historically accurate. Is I am guessing @Hepps thoughts

Destroying railroad infrastructure is not historically accurate. Although the actual rails can be pulled apart, the rails can be easily replaced. Even railroad bridges can be rebuilt fairly quickly. The Germans had specialized railroad engineer units in WW2.

This is how the rail lines operate in TWW. They can be easily repaired during the repair phase... can be rebuilt if destroyed... and where there is the highest concentration of rail networks there are multiple rail units in each territory thus making disabling them increasingly difficult.

You could also have that effect of speeding up movement within your own country with terrain effects or by having railroad stations that give a movement boost.

For a more interesting take on railroads see Warlords: FFA. China's rail net was much less dense than Europe's so depicting specific rail lines make sense.

RogerCooper

@Hepps If they are easily repaired, why make them destroyable in the first place?

redrum

@RogerCooper I believe the limitation during WW2 was more related to how many trains they could run (essentially capacity to move how many divisions around and supplies for all the frontline troops) not the rails themselves as repairing or even in some cases converting the gauge of rails was done pretty quickly.

Hepps

@RogerCooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@Hepps If they are easily repaired, why make them destroyable in the first place?

Because having to spend PU to repair and maintain the broad types of infrastructure (Trains, Rail lines, Trucks,Air Transports, Airfields, Factories, Aircraft Plants, Barracks and Harbours) puts additional costs on each nation as they strive to keep their war machine operational. It means that maintaining those critical infrastructure becomes a essential part of being able to produce and deploy troops rapidly across large distances making it far more realistic and offering the players way more strategic and tactical options.

RogerCooper

Scenario Lord of the Rings-Middle Earth
Download Repository/Excellent
Description The War of the Ring from Tolkien's Middle Earth

Good Points

Map evokes the maps from the book
Not just another WW2 games

Bad Points

Hard going for the evil side
Unique creatures from the books become mass-produced items

I know that this is a popular scenario, but if fails to evoke the book at all. Everything can be mass-produced, including Wizards (there were exactly 3 in the book). The book contained decisive battles, the game is WW1 style wars of attrition. In the book, Sauron's forces had military superiority, but the need to attack rapidly to obtain the Ring created a time limit.

Cernel

@RogerCooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

I tend fully to agree with your review. The only reasons why I never said so myself is that my memories of the scenario are almost all gone and I gave up playing the map too early into it really to be too bold in judging it. That is kind of inevitable: When you have issues with something, you stop playing it, then you don't really have the experience to suggest changes (talking about myself).

Everything can be mass-produced, including Wizards (there were exactly 3 in the book).

How about unselecting the "Unlimited Unique Units" option? Is that not enough (no idea myself)? By the way, I've never understood why that is enabled as default.

The book contained decisive battles, the game is WW1 style wars of attrition.

Do you think that if TripleA would support the ability for different factions to attack together (instead of only defending together), this may fix most of this issue?

RogerCooper

@Cernel said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Everything can be mass-produced, including Wizards (there were exactly 3 in the book).

How about unselecting the "Unlimited Unique Units" option? Is that not enough (no idea myself)? By the way, I've never understood why that is enabled as default.

The unique units option is for the Middle Earth: Battle for Arda scenario which has different units & map.

Cernel

@RogerCooper Right, I mixed the two. Though I think the limit of TripleA of being unable to attack together is a major distortion for any such scenario, or any scenario at all in which you would have to represent "epic" battles, as battles in which both sides have more than 1 faction on the field can just never happen.

RogerCooper

@Cernel You could build separately and transfer ownership like UK-Pacific in the Global game. For Middle Earth, most of the battles were fought by alliances on both sides.

I have not tried the Battle for Arda yet.

RogerCooper

Scenario Ultimate World v3 Rules
Description World War 2 on large map
Wikia Entry link text

Good Points

Speed 3 transports make the large map work better
Balanced

Bad Points

Slow, even with Fast AI

RogerCooper

Scenario WW2v3 1942 11 Nations Mod
Description 11 Nations on the AA50 map
Wikia Entry link text

Good Points

Plays fast

Bad Points

Some of the nations are arbitrary and/or have little to do

RogerCooper

Scenario Domination 1914 Blood and Steel
Description World War One on a large world map
Wikia Entry

Good Points

Interesting political rules
Interesting tech rules

Bad Points

No victory conditions
Slow even with Fast AI
Not much happens outside of Europe

Cernel

@RogerCooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Not much happens outside of Europe

Shouldn't this be normal in a ww1 scenario?

RogerCooper

@Cernel said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

@RogerCooper said in Roger's Scenario Thread:

Not much happens outside of Europe

Shouldn't this be normal in a ww1 scenario?

Yes, but what is the point of having a world map unless something meaningful happens outside of Europe. If the game was confined to Europe it would play a lot faster. If you want a world map, than the Central Powers need a meaningful extra-European ally so something can happen outside of Europe.

RogerCooper

Scenario Cold War Asia: 1948 + Japan
Description Chinese Civil War, Korean War, Vietnam War and a hypothetical Japanese Civil War, all on 1 map

Good Points

Interesting situation with conflict all over the map

Bad Points

Odd-looking map

RogerCooper

@RogerCooper
Scenario WW2 NWO 2.0 Neutrals
Description World War II in Europe on the detailed New World Order map with playable neutral nations

Good Points

Nice map

Bad Points

Neutrals are oddly at war with everyone
All nations start at war

RogerCooper

Scenario War of the Lance
Description Game based upon a series of fantasy novels
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Good Points

Pretty map

**Bad Points

The Good forces have a huge advantage
Hard to see area control on map
There is little to evoke the complex events of the novel