Domination 1914 - Meat Grinder

General_Zod

A couple ideas for ya to achieve some of your goals. They might have been touched on by others but here are my thoughts.

Start USA neutral and give USA a peacetime economy and production until they officially enter the war on the allied side. Perhaps 25% of normal income and only basic production ability. And no tech research. Maybe movement restrictions close to the war as well. Basically make USA very limited and force them to think hard about their moves and purchases during this period.

Create some conditions to allow USA to enter the war. Ideally they should be based on Centrals conquests and or a combination of Entente position. You can even create a scenario where USA sea vessels can be accidently sunk by the Centrals. This would require some creative new units owned by Entente but (just a technicality, so they can actually be sunk before USA is at war). Maybe a non combat sea transport that can be randomly killed if the sea zone containing it is attacked by Centrals. If this vessel is sunk USA automatically enters the war. Design it so Centrals may have to avoid the attack into a so called shipping lane to prevent such a thing from happening. But must not provide Entente a exploitation at same time.

Mexico should simply enter war on Centrals side if USA attacks them. Or can go further by creating some prerequisite condition as well that can allow Centrals to pull them into the war on their side.

Russia was manipulated by Germany historically. A master move by them. Lenin was exiled by Russia for stirring up discontent and a revolutionary sentiment. The Kaiser bankrolled Lenin and sent him back to Russia to continue his plans. This succeeded beyond Germany's wildest dreams. Try to replicate this scenario somewhat. Allow communists to form in Russia and allow Centrals to supply them with additional funds in form of user actions. Possibly allow them to share tech and give units if territories are bordering Germany and Communist.

scallen1

@rogercooper Personal preference. I've always just disliked the politics ui in tripleA. And I like how theres a randomness aspect to tech. I'm using multiple techs to get US into the war and a couple bad rolls could delay their entrance. This doesn't seem popular here but I like randomness in these games - particularly on large maps where one random event doesn't change the entire game just one aspect of the war.

Also if you've played 1914 No Man's land you'll notice that Mexico is an intentionally tempting target for the US. I want to make it something the US would have to send a real army to attack. (a stretch goal for this project is to make Mexico an inactive team that becomes active if Germany does several things to get them into the war)

scallen1

@cernel Taking away russia's ability to attack might be a better option than declaring neutrality because it leaves an option to Germany and Austria Hungary. This would then have to be made something acheived by Germany. Which makes sense. Also - instead of totally taking away their ability to attack I could just make offensive units (basically in my version of the game this meas artillery and artillery ammunition) either unpurchasable or very expensive. This would then allow russia to continue to focus on defending itself but as I am designing the game Germany could withdraw the vast majority of their army from the Eastern front if this occurs and just build up trenches and barbed wire with some machine guns and infantry to man it.

However in game, Russia declaring Neutrality could help the Entente because you'd do it only when the line was completely broken and Germany is about to take your capital.

The political aspects of this game and balancing are very up in the air. The critical thing to me is the Artillery barrage, defensive advantage aspect of the game and that that defensive aspect can be mitigated by tech.

scallen1

@hepps The Mexico neutral nation idea is a goal. But I'm prioritizing the combat changes first. So militarizing the border is a band-aid.

If I go all the way to putting all my stretch ideas into a game, it'll be a second game because it'll involve a lot more alternative history possibilities than the game I'm making first which has historicity as a major goal.

scallen1

@general_zod said in Domination 1914 - Meat Grinder:

Start USA neutral and give USA a peacetime economy and production until they officially enter the war on the allied side. Perhaps 25% of normal income and only basic production ability. And no tech research. Maybe movement restrictions close to the war as well. Basically make USA very limited and force them to think hard about their moves and purchases during this period.

I like the version of US entry I'm building. I think of spending on tech tokens as the US leadership trying to encourage the US population to support war. The US will be encouraged to be spending all of its income on getting itself into the war though depending on which "Enter the war" tech they unlock first, they might want to start producing units before they've gotten everything set up for war.

Create some conditions to allow USA to enter the war. Ideally they should be based on Centrals conquests and or a combination of Entente position. You can even create a scenario where USA sea vessels can be accidently sunk by the Centrals. This would require some creative new units owned by Entente but (just a technicality, so they can actually be sunk before USA is at war). Maybe a non combat sea transport that can be randomly killed if the sea zone containing it is attacked by Centrals. If this vessel is sunk USA automatically enters the war. Design it so Centrals may have to avoid the attack into a so called shipping lane to prevent such a thing from happening. But must not provide Entente a exploitation at same time.

It would be nice to give Germany the option of avoiding Unrestricted Submarine Warfare and thus keep the US out of the war but nah I'm not about that. I'd have to make USW something so desirable that the German player would choose it despite its consequences. As for German conquests bringing the US into the war, for balance I would have to make this highly probable that the German player would achieve these conquests - which I would considerable undesirable - and it really doesn't bare any historicity. So no, us inevitable entrance but slow entrance is the way I'm going.

Mexico should simply enter war on Centrals side if USA attacks them. Or can go further by creating some prerequisite condition as well that can allow Centrals to pull them into the war on their side.

This is a stretch goal. After I accomplish making my new artillery system and make my Meat Grinder high historicity game I want to expand on it with one with solid alternate history options. This will include making Japan, Mexico, and China potential full combatants in the war. (I have ideas written out called "late politics" and some early WW2 techs that would be unlockable late in the game)

Russia was manipulated by Germany historically. A master move by them. Lenin was exiled by Russia for stirring up discontent and a revolutionary sentiment. The Kaiser bankrolled Lenin and sent him back to Russia to continue his plans. This succeeded beyond Germany's wildest dreams. Try to replicate this scenario somewhat. Allow communists to form in Russia and allow Centrals to supply them with additional funds in form of user actions. Possibly allow them to share tech and give units if territories are bordering Germany and Communist.

A German political tech they can attempt is called Lenin in my game and it significantly weakens Russia's ability to wage offensive war (it doesn't noticably change their defensive abilities)

scallen1

To all - anyone know of a way to have a tech add a territory to your country.

Example I want - Serbia I'm going to give free tech tokens to but all they can use them on is bringing Greece and Romania into the war (on their side). So every turn Serbia rolls their tech tokens and if they get a hit (will be designed so they should quickly hit both) Greek territory and units will go from Neutral to being Serb or Romanian territory and units will do the same.

I'll probably figure this out but if anyone already has an XML example of how to attach a territory and its units mid game to a new owner that'd be great

scallen1

@redrum I'm running into a big obstacle. How do I make an artllery only able to produce ammunition?

My current workaround is to make it so it can produce units with no limitation but give EVERYTHING except ammunition the restriction that it requires a factory to be produced. That'll work I think

Hepps

@scallen1 Yes that should work.

Hepps

@hepps You will probably have the style of setup for things like barbwire as well.

scallen1

@hepps barbwire is going to be pretty simple (writing that rn). It'll be like a trench (construction) and require infantry (or equivalent) to be present to build it)

scallen1

@redrum have a unit that I need to die either at the end of every turn or alternatively if no artillery present. Do you know how to do this?

Cernel

@scallen1 Turning non-neutral units from a player to another is a bit complex, but if you are into reading really complex stuff, you can find an example of such code into Empire (when a Caesar is captured). To get there, in your case, you need a custom tech and then you would test the ownership of such tech (instead of testing the ownership of a capture Caesare). If by Greece and Romania you, instead, mean that they are not actually powers (players), but just neutral territories (assigned to the neutral player), instead the example you are searching for is Mongolia turning Russians in WWII Global.

scallen1

@cernel I meant the latter so I will look at that game's XML. Thank you very much

scallen1

Here is the XML for my first shell (ammunition for artillery) that I have created

I will very happily accept suggestions and answer questions

<attachment name="unitAttachment" attachTo="explosive_shell" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.UnitAttachment" type="unitType">
  <option name="movement" value="1"/>
  <option name="attackAA" value="1"/>
  <option name="offensiveAttackAA" value="2"/>
  <option name="maxRoundsAA" value="1"/>
  <option name="defense" value="0"/>
  <option name="transportCost" value="1"/>
  <option name="isSuicide" value="true"/>
  <option name="damageableAA" value="true"/>
  <option name="isAir" value="true"/>
  <option name="mayOverStackAA" value="true"/>
  <option name="isKamikaze" value="true"/>
  <option name="isAAforCombatOnly" value="true"/>
  <option name="maxAAattacks" value="2"/>
  <option name="typeAA" value="shell"/>
  <option name="placementLimit" value="allied" count="2000"/>
  <option name="canNotMoveDuringCombateMove" value="false" />
  <option name="targetsAA" value="infantry:colonial:british_veteran_stormtruppen:conscript:artillery:tank:fighter:late_fighter:bomber:barbed_wire:trench:bedouin:machine_gun:scount_plane" />
</attachment>

Hepps

@scallen1 Look at the last target for your shell.

Says scount_plane... doubt that is correct.

Hepps

@hepps You have the "canNotMoveDuringCombatMove" included... however the attachment defaults to false. Not sure you really need to include it in the unit attachment.

Also, you may need to re-examine the "typeAA" to be more specific since you are designing 3 different shell types. Otherwise you will run into complications because the engine will try to group them together when attacking if they are of the same type.

Hepps

Also out of curiosity, why include the placement limit if you are essentially making it infinite?

scallen1

@hepps yeah I caught my typos after posting

scallen1

@hepps didn’t know the typeAA thing

I’m not worried about being redundant and was worried that if I didn’t explicitly state it could move during combat it’s AA status would make it not work in combat moves.

The build limit is just a placeholder in case during balancing I decide to limit it to a realistic number.

Hepps