Revisiting an old project

[Cernel]

To clarify; what I meant is that I was not meaning that (as long as the placement is well made) there is the problem of not being able to tell ownerships, but just my personal preference in all flags being in the same relative position to the images, as I feel this reduces the matter of looking at two things to know one, and I would be interested if anyone else has the same perception (might be just about me).

So now I'm mostly curious if anybody else thinks that all flags being in the same relative position to the images, at least for a same alliance, is so important as I personally do?

[Cernel]

@Hepps Also, my preference is the neutrals having no flags (as in current). But, again, I'd go with what most prefer; this would be just my vote.

[prastle]

@Cernel as we learned over the years with my stupid color blindness ... I would vote roundels for all. Then I have no excuse for making stupid mistakes just my 2 cents worth. Hopefully it doesn't cause clutter.

[Hepps]

@prastle Sorry forgot the Axemen.

And here is the revised revised Egyptians.

[prastle]

@Hepps hides the ter value but gd stuff

[Hepps]

@prastle Where do you live? Cause if its not too far... I'm going to come over there right now and donkey punch you.

Here's the Greeks for now.

[prastle]

@Hepps gigglez im a farm boy and a truck mechanic give er guessing within 2.5 hrs of u or less. but even if ya did id still crack a Kieths and enjoy the bonfire.. either way im just happy with clear units

[Cernel]

@Hepps How about opening a poll on the matter of the Neutral units having a flag or not?

[Frostion]

This looks great. A bit like 3D. Nice work. And it is much better with the rounders in the same corner.
What type of units do "neutral" have in this map? Do they have access to every unit type of the map, so that a mod maker can setup up various scenarios? If they have rounders, then it could just be a white one, maybe

[prastle]

@Frostion the barbarian hordes are the neutrals

[Cernel]

@Frostion The Neutral are normal neutrals: the null player. And, no, they have access only to a few units, some of them redundant (only the defence value matters, thus it is like they have only 3 units, at defence 1, 2 and 3). It is the same for my variants, 270BC Cernel Variant and 270BC 40%, as well as Rome Total War, but not for Total Ancient War.

[Hepps]

@Frostion I gave the neutral Barbarians a very none descript Battle Axe silhouette as their national Roundel.

[Frostion]

@Hepps Ahh OK. That is a good choice, like the barbarians in Civilization Maybe you should make the neutrals have access to all unit types so modders can make neutral territories everywhere and place the units everywhere without them being out of place culturally.

[Hepps]

@Frostion I think you over estimate my involvement with this mod....

I am doing this because everytime I watch a match I feel like somebody is committing buggery to my eye sockets.... I simply want to be able to watch a game without my visual sense feeling dirty afterwards.

[Cernel]

@Frostion As it can be seen, this is mostly already done via the neutrals having a few redundant units (same defence) placed about in the respective areas as per their look; the only exception is the ubiquitous cavalry, and this is why I agree with the removal of the horns, for it, made by @Hepps.

[Cernel]

@Hepps And the barbarian.

Also, I suggest you close the circle and tweak the Neutral city too, tho it is not used, except you can see it in Unit Help.

I actually almost totally like how the current units look when they are zoomed under 100%, but definitely they look too pixellated and generally not of good quality at 100%. I'm guessing you keep the Unit Size at 100%? I never keep them at 100%, because blurring the image with the zoom is really needed to make them watchable.

[Hepps]

@Cernel They could be 2% and it would still offend my senses.

[Hepps]

Greece is now done.

Onto the Macedonians... Probably going to make slight changes to some of their units just to break up the repetitiveness of some of the units that are common to multiple nations.

[Cernel]

@Hepps As said, maybe make the hoplite of them, as well as Seleucid and Carthage, look like a Macedonian phalangite. It would not make sense with the name (but it would be possible to switch it from hoplite to phalangite or whatever anytime), but it would make some more sense with the setting. Of course, you are not going to represent the sarissa in all its lenght, but maybe this is something you may want to do not to have the Macedonians etc. looking like having hoplites, which is so silly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pezhetairos
Just a suggestion; I know this game is silly fantasy anyways.
On the other hand, I've no idea what the "swordman" of Macedonia might be representing, if anything at all.

[Hepps]

@Cernel That's exactly what I was looking at. Makes very little sense that all look like the Greek unit.

And I could make the sarissa realistic for the longer versions of the weapon if the unit images were anchored at the bottom left instead of the top left. Otherwise we just assume they are carrying a Dory.

If placement code was changed we might dare to see something like this....