Revised Tournament of Champions (ToC 14) -- St. Nazaire Raiders !!
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I guess I was not part of the email or chat chain where you accepted the ruling, Louis.
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If you did accept the ruling, then that's great, this is the first I'd heard that. I'd be happy to one day continue our game in J17 with the fair ruling in effect. Then we don't need to continue the forum debate on who might have won.
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What a decision tree. Should I just open the floodgates here and spill all the dirty laundry? I will hold - for now.
In reply, I will say that I was told by Prastle that you refused to play because you had been insulted. That was the key. He was negotiating with me about rebuy, etc; and then abruptly he informed me that you would not play no matter what because you were insulted. Disqualification followed shortly.
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@LouisXIVXIV said in Revised Tournament of Champions (ToC 14) -- St. Nazaire Raiders !!:
Disqualification followed shortly.
Epi what you wrote made me smile. I suppose we can do it here if you like - but tomorrow. I need to take a break from this.
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Louis, while I find what you have written here constructive, this comment is not:
Fuck you and your bullshit vacuous arguments, your wannabe certitude and expertise and your false bravado and intimidation. You sir, are chalk full of bullshit and I for one am not impressed. That's my interpretation of your passive-aggressive and fickle themes.
Personally if sent to me, I'm not sure how I could continue in good faith to play against such an opponent. TripleA is meant to be fun, such an atmosphere becomes poisoned with that kind of response.
I regret that an obscure game ruling caused you issues in a game, it is disappointing and not a fun outcome. Be what that may, resorting to that tone/atmosphere is the reason for the disqualification. If you'd like to continue discussing the game rules, please open a new thread to discuss it - it is quite interesting, but should not be continued here.
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Full court admin press for out of context e-mail excerpts!
You make it sound like Bayder was just walking on water when I sent that. It's an invitation to me to put Bayder publicly on trial as to whether or not this was warranted -- because it begs the question, why would would I write this to him? I'm not going to do that to him publicly right now.
But you presumed Bayder was an angel and you presumed this outburst was about the rule in question it seems. That's false. I admit the conduct was unsportsmanlike and that I shouldn't have snapped; but there was provocation. We don't talk about that though because Bayder's my buddy, he works here, and Louis, well, I never liked him, right Prastle?
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@LouisXIVXIV I refuse to discuss the long winded many emails that were received. many were posted and talked about in the bunker. a ruling will be applied to the next toc as I stated many times. perhaps even an engine change. either way I attempted to allow this game to continue! I failed! end of story
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I'm not contesting the result Prastle. I'm simply speaking in the forum against various slanders. I was disqualified for "verbal abuse". You've now publicly posted that verbal abuse. It wasnt about the ruling, other than my tone in that regard. I'm just speaking in the forum...
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@LouisXIVXIV well as @LaFayette said and a few other mods lets discuss this elsewhere
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For the record, I have no issue with any of my emails being posted. Post the entire email chains if you wish so the truth can be out there.
Also for the record, Louis, you never agreed to continue playing at J17 with the fair ruling applied. Prastle confirmed this. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it and prove prastle a liar (might as well accuse him of lying, as you've continuously accused me).
In your email which I posted, you made it clear that your only acceptable solution was getting a G17 do-over because the ruling went against you.
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@bayder He has already been paid for second place and you as first This war is DONE! WE SHALL MOVE ON !
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@prastle side note who was third guys ?
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@LaFayette said in Revised Tournament of Champions (ToC 14) -- St. Nazaire Raiders !!:
If you'd like to continue discussing the game rules, please open a new thread to discuss it - it is quite interesting, but should not be continued here.
I concur, but, just to add what is merely my opinion, I actually believe it would be quite pointless discussing any of this anywhere in this forum, since the rulebook is arguably unclear on any of the points at hand, and could be interpreted and argued upon in a number of ways.
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@epinikion said in Revised Tournament of Champions (ToC 14) -- St. Nazaire Raiders !!:
Correct, as far as I know, based on the bracket (though it should be really up to @Deltium to confirm, since he is managing the bracket).
1st: Bayder
2nd: LouisXIVXIV
3rd: Polarole
4th: epinikion -
@epinikion ty and @Cernel
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@polarole I can send your winning prize money through paypal. I am not sure how often you read the forum. Sending you an email as well. Congrats!
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I only now understand Prastle's position on this. It isn't just a book rule matter in terms of what actually took place in our game because Bayder never elected to let his fighters be cargo, and he never mentioned that idea in his argument. What the judges ruled was that the move Bayder actually made was illegal -- they said we were both wrong.
Prastle's point is that the engine should have prompted Bayder with a question about being cargo and that lets him off the hook for making an illegal move. But if there was a cargo prompt I certainly would not have made my move, which should let me off the hook for the carrier buy. In any case, the laissez faire /play-on/ do what the judges say outcome here, Bayder, is that you simply do not land your fighters in the space because the move you ACTUALLY MADE is not allowed.
Speaking to your specific point, though, Prastle made me numerous formal offers in the context of my reversing my "this is bs" position. He's the person with that authority - he's the representative of the judges. I had not accepted your proposal of playing it your way at the moment you decided you would not play because of the insult; he and I were "negotiating". I was strongly considering playing your way if only to humiliate you with a simple win regardless, but... it also seemed to mess up the integrity of the game and was unfair and disadvantageous. That was where the discussion was. He is not lying. I am not lying.
I can also assure you, Bayder, you do not want me to litigate my attitude and motives in public. I have no desire to do that, so... put the matches down...
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In terms of all the mods trying to tamp this discussion down --- that's fine. I did say I would dissect the game with Epi though. Presumably that's not a problem?
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@LouisXIVXIV, I agree, the discussion should be tamped down. You've confirmed in your emails and forum posts exactly what I stated, that you refused to play on with the fair ruling applied. I was always willing to play on with the fair ruling applied. The game ended with your refusal to play on. You can dodge it all you want if it makes you feel better, but that's the simple truth. Call it quitting, forfeiting, or whatever you want. Bottom line, you lost. You tried to negotiate a G17 do-over for your mistake move (highly ironic that someone with 95% confidence would be reduced to grovelling for a do-over). Your disqualification for your highly inappropriate behavior was in addition to all of this.
Hopefully you'll realize you're on an island here. Nobody agrees with your assessment that your side had a dominant position. Nobody else is disagreeing with the fair ruling. Nobody else condones or tolerates the type of behavior you have displayed, and continue to display.
From my side, this is ended...unless you continue to misrepresent the truth and what actually transpired.
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