placement/removeUnits Question

[beelee]

@Frostion
Cernel's xml is a few posts above. I never knew how to change unit attachments. There's a few that you can add to tech abilities, but I always would make a new unit and replace the old one. Cernel's was the first time I saw an example of unitAttachmentName I think it is, so I could just change the unitAttachment instead for most stuff. I think if I have the tech that places the new unit fire at bid phase, then maybe they'll work when the game starts. At least I think thats what prastle meant. Haven't tried it yet. Idk how that'd work after the game started though. I know there's a way to turn off certain delegates so you can skip things but I haven't quite figured that out yet.

Anyway I think it's all in POS2 and Veqryn did provide some nice examples of stuff. There's a few that are hard for me to grasp though. Basically I look at what others have done, yourself, Zim Zero, Rolf and others and copy it. crazy_german's posts are always informative and several others I can't think of right now.

So I don't think I've actually found anything new yet. Some stuff is just worded differently. I would always see the changes when a new triplea came out, but didn't know how to use them. maybe there just kinda built in to what's already there. Idk.

But yea I was thinking it'd be cool to have a list of "good tricks" or something like that. There's a lot of info out there it's just hard to find.

so far the givesMovement thing hasn't worked quite the way I'd like. I made a bomber an airfield and had it give movement to a fighter. Which works, but if it's in a TTy that already has an airfield and their movement bonus is the same it won't stack. If it's higher, then it'll override the lower bonus and work. I don't think the engine can do that though.

[beelee]

@Frostion
So what's been working for getting the units to move when they're first placed is to have them place on the player's turn before the player who receives the units turn.

I was always just doing the default where they were placed on your combat move and then they wouldn't do anything. So use the same trigger just set when so it fires the player before. I'm not sure if you can have it fire at the end of there turn and still work (haven't tried it) but any time before their combat move has been working.

[Numetalfan]

I designed conditions and a trigger:

<attachment name="triggerSpaintoPro-Axis" attachTo="Pro-Axis" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
<option name="when" value="after:Pro-AlliesCombatMove"/>
<option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentalliedbattlespain:conditionAttachmentobjectiveG4cn"/>
<option name="removeUnits" value="Spain:all"/>
<option name="changeOwnership" value="Spain:any:Pro-Axis:false"/>
<option name="placement" value="Spain:pa_infantry" count="3"/>
<option name="uses" value="1"/>
</attachment>

everythings works..
....except:
<option name="removeUnits" value="Spain:all"/>

all original (neutral) units there remain. What can be the reason for that?

[beelee]

@numetalfan so Spain is a True Neutral that changes into a Pro-Axis Neutral ?

If so you might need to remove the Neutral units before it changes ownership to pro-axis and then add them back as pro-axis after if needed.

You'd probably need separate triggers.

This is just a guess

[wc_sumpton]

@Numetalfan

The units do not belong to Pro-Allies. 'removeUnits' is looking into Spain and removing all Pro-Allies units.

Cheers...

[Numetalfan]

@wc_sumpton

so in the placement phase it is

<unitPlacement unitType="infantry" territory="Spain" quantity="3"/>

so no owner nation.
but the trigger has to be attached to someone

the units are located in:
...\units\Neutral

my first idea:

<attachment name="triggerSpaintoPro-Axis1" attachTo="Neutral" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
<option name="when" value="after:Pro-AlliesCombatMove"/>
<option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentalliedbattlespain:conditionAttachmentobjectiveG4cn"/>
<option name="removeUnits" value="Spain:all"/>
<option name="uses" value="1"/>
</attachment>

does not work, maybe it's because of
attachTo="Neutral

how to solve this ?

[beelee]

@numetalfan so Spain has changed to "Neutral_Axis" or w/e you have in your game. So try the attachTo="Neutral_Axis"

[wc_sumpton]

@Numetalfan

I am sorry, but I don't have a simple answer. The only way I am able to remove 'Neutral' units it to have a 'Neutral' player. '<option name="players" value="Neutral"/> dose not seem to work.

Again sorry.

Cheers...

[Cernel]

@wc_sumpton said in placement/removeUnits Question:

@Numetalfan

I am sorry, but I don't have a simple answer. The only way I am able to remove 'Neutral' units it to have a 'Neutral' player. '<option name="players" value="Neutral"/> dose not seem to work.

Again sorry.

Cheers...

I think @redrum already clarified that the "Neutral" player is sort of a program hack to support simple "neutral" defensive units. For anything more complex than that, I believe you are supposed to have an actual player, hiding it and pre-assigning it to "Does Nothing".

[TheDog]

@numetalfan
Try using a pseudo player, I call them "none", with a

<player name="none" optional="false" canBeDisabled="false" defaultType="DoesNothing" isHidden="true"/>

[Numetalfan]

@all

I will try that, thx

[Numetalfan]

@thedog

now everything works!