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    World War I with more territories?

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    • SchulzS Offline
      Schulz @TheDog
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      The Central Powers should punish the Entente if it keeps so many ships parked in these zones just to hunt a single possible German submarine.

      I think it's good that this gives the US more options than just sending troops to France.

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        iratoric @Schulz
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        @Schulz OK so here is the thing about Russia in WWI and why they are hard to simulate. Russia had a huge manpower pool to draw from but was consistently running out of equipment. So you would get things like 2 soldiers sharing one rifle, or an artillery battery that can only fire for a few minutes.

        The problem is when you look up something like how many soldiers did Russia have in WWI you will get an impressive number, but what that’s not telling you is how many of them actually have enough weapons or ammunition to fight. It’s like owning 10 cars but only having enough gas for 3, then writing down that you have 10 cars available for use. Technically true but not helpful

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          Schulz @iratoric
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          I think Russia was as strong as France in the beginning, but its power decreased gradually due to the well-known issues.

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            RogerCooper @Schulz
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            @Schulz In TripleA, you may want to give Russian infantry no attack value, with any offensive relying on artillery or elite troops (like the veterans in the Caucasus).

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              iratoric @RogerCooper
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              @RogerCooper I think you can do this without even having to use a new unit, you can make a supportAttachment that gives infantry -1 strength, then attach it to the infantry itself and have it only apply to Russians. Something like

              <attachment name='supportAttachmentRussiansInfantryEquipmentShortage' attachTo='infantry' javaClass='UnitSupportAttachment' type='unitType'>
              <option name='unitType' value='infantry'/>
              <option name='faction' value='allied'/>
              <option name='side' value='offence'/>
              <option name='dice' value='strength'/>
              <option name='bonus' value='-1'/>
              <option name='number' value='1'/>
              <option name='bonusType' value='EquipmentShortage'/>
              <option name='players' value='Russians'/>
              </attachment>

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                beelee @iratoric
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                @iratoric

                attach it to itself. I didn't know you could do that. Or maybe I did and just forgot 🙂

                Either way. I like it 🙂

                Maybe so they aren't too low powered offensively, you could have Artillery still give them a +1 boost. If it plays the same as the other games that way.

                So Attack 0 but if with Arty Attack 1 ?

                Just a thought 🙂

                Good Work here 🙂

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                • SchulzS Offline
                  Schulz @RogerCooper
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                  If Russia is still in the war by round 10 with roughly the same income it had at the beginning, I don't see how the Central Powers could realistically win. Giving Russian infantry weaker offensive power doesn't seem punishing enough to me. It would also limit Russia's strategic options. Historically, they had to launch major offensives due to political pressure from their allies.

                  I think Russia's role of "destroying as many Central Powers units as possible before its eventual collapse" sounds much more interesting than simply spamming infantry and waiting.

                  By 1917, Russia was struggling just to keep its troops on the front line, let alone mobilize new armies. I even think its income should be close to 0 by round 10 (August 1917), even if it hasn't lost a single territory. With a -2 income modifier that increases by 2 each round, Russia would be at -20 IPC by round 10, leaving it almost bankrupt.

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                    RogerCooper @Schulz
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                    @Schulz said:

                    Historically, they had to launch major offensives due to political pressure from their allies.

                    This is the kind of question that comes up in many wargames, should a player be forced to replicate a bad historical strategy. The Brusilov offensive (1916) achieved some tactical success, but did little to take pressure off the French at Verdun and used up Russia's limited resources. The Kerensky offensive (1917) resulted in Russia's complete collapse.

                    By they way, my grandfather (Austrian army) was captured in the Brusilov offensive.

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                      Schulz @RogerCooper
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                      Players should be free to choose. But being forced to play too defensively and cautiously in every single game would be boring, and it wasn't politically feasible at that time.

                      Both offensive and defensive Russia should have their own pros and cons.

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                      • SchulzS Offline
                        Schulz
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                        I balkanized the Balkans.

                        balkanized.jpg

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                          Schulz
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                          I divided Brest and Vilnius.

                          I think it would be way too easy to defend against the Russians if territories 2 and 4 were merged. I was initially hesitant because I've always hated how, on the Great War map, it's a no-brainer for the Russian player to just hold the Belarus–Kiev–Warsaw line. (There's a similar issue in Domination 1914 as well.) It was also a no-brainer for the Germans to follow that route. Territory 4 (Brest) shouldn't create the same issue, and luckily I don't think it will, because:

                          In the Great War, the key territory (Kiev, which blocks both the German and Austrian advances at the same time) is four territories away from Berlin and Vienna, but here it's much closer. The Central Powers will also have Hungarian and Prussian factories. The Russians will also get an increasing IPC penalty each round, so they won't be able to easily hold territory 4 and block the routes. Plus, the Austrians can move 7 in that case and take Kiev if Russia undercommits to that front.

                          Territory 4 should probably be worth the fewest IPCs to offset its strategic importance. I'm still not a fan of it, but combining territories 2 and 4 sounds even worse to me. I don't know—maybe I can find another way to further reduce the importance of territory 4.

                          I'm also not sure how to handle the Serbian front. Austria taking on Serbia while holding Galicia at the same time in 1914 was highly unlikely. In most games, Austria shouldn't be able to do both.

                          Another issue is how to represent the Serbs. Having the Russians represent them would be problematic since all Russian units are meant to be removed if the Revolution triggers. Serbian units shouldn't disappear just because of the Russian Revolution.

                          I don't like making the Serbs Allied-neutral either, since it would let Austria move everything to the east until Italy enters the war in Round 4.

                          wwieurope - Copy.jpg

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                            Schulz
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                            "The Russian Revolution" doesn't trigger in World War I 1914. I assume it's not possible to implement it in the current engine.

                            What could we do instead that would be feasible to represent it?

                            Something simple enough that doesn't mess up the AI?

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                              RogerCooper @Schulz
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                              @Schulz This your mod, you don't have to the same way as the boardgame. Essentially the Russian Revolution means that Russia goes neutral and possibly some territory is transferred. The trigger is a combination of territorial losses, time and luck.

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