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    Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.6

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    • redrumR Offline
      redrum Admin @wirkey
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      @wirkey I was able to update the triggers to also fire before non-combat move to fix the liberating L&L territory issue. This will be in v3.0.0.3.

      TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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        wirkey Moderators @redrum
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        @redrum good job. It just came to my mind that it might be a good idea to fire triggers to change the L&L-territory only after ncm. That way they won't be considered as a potential landing spot planes during movement validation.

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          redrum Admin @wirkey
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          @wirkey Not sure I'm understanding your suggestion. If the triggers didn't fire til after ncm then you wouldn't be able to move units to the L&L territories.

          TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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            wirkey Moderators @redrum
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            @redrum sorry, meant to fire after combats, before ncm

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              redrum Admin @wirkey
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              @wirkey Ah ok. I actually considered doing that but I know a lot of players do a lot of their NCMs during combat move phase so wasn't sure it would be a good idea. I'd need @Hepps and others to weigh in if they would prefer that change.

              TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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              • ubernautU Offline
                ubernaut Moderators
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                are ground transports meant to be able to move after they unload? the engine seems to allow it and i didn't see anything in the player enforced rules section.

                Also, if memory serves, transports (all ground and air?) must pick up loads before any other NCMs (is allowed on some versions of the game?) meaning you cannot collect multiple loads from multiple territories with a single unit in a single turn. Did see anything about that in the player enforced rules section either so just thought i would make sure i was right about that.

                one other random question sorry I'm so late to the TWW party 😛 why is Japan the only country who's start screen isn't translated into English? just curious what it says.

                excellent work on this map btw i think it is by far the highest quality triplea map I've played yet. 🙂

                "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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                  redrum Admin @ubernaut
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                  @ubernaut Yes. You can even transport multiple different units in the same turn with say trains. The only limitations are that each unit being transported can only be transported once and units can't be moved before being transported. The idea is that you need to kind of plan your ground transport moves the turn before by grouping the units you want to transport in a single territory so you can load then move them together.

                  No idea on the Japan start notification. That's a @Hepps question and probably just artistic choice.

                  TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                  • ubernautU Offline
                    ubernaut Moderators
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                    @redrum thanks for clarifying but you are not allowed to do that multiple pick up move with sea transports right or did i imagine that?

                    "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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                    • wirkeyW Offline
                      wirkey Moderators @ubernaut
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                      @ubernaut actually the japanese opening message is in English, it just reads from top to bottom with difficulty to read letters.

                      @redrum I only know one player who makes all his movements (better most of them) during cm. That's a leftover from nwo/waw, where it had the benefit for better planning your purchase (between cm and combats). But as there is no advantage of making non combat moves during combat movement phase, I'd go with it.

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                      • ubernautU Offline
                        ubernaut Moderators @wirkey
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                        @wirkey thanks for pointing that out didn't even notice. 😛

                        "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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                          redrum Admin @ubernaut
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                          @ubernaut Sea transports work as they do on any other map. You can load and move multiple times but only unload once. So a bit different then land transports.

                          TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                          • ubernautU Offline
                            ubernaut Moderators @redrum
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                            @redrum hmm thanks again the further clarification not sure why i thought that was a player-enforced rule in newer iterations of the game.

                            "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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                              wirkey Moderators @ubernaut
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                              @ubernaut there is a difference as there is a game option to allow the loading in a hostile sea zone

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                                ubernaut Moderators @wirkey
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                                @wirkey i noticed that option but don't really understand it why should sea transports be allowed to load in hostile sea zones unless they are only occupied by enemy subs?

                                "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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                                  redrum Admin @ubernaut
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                                  @ubernaut The reason is its too easy for many sea zones to then be blocked from loading by 1 destroyer in large maps like TWW. This is especially true for sea zones adjacent to enemy docks where they can buy 1 destroyer each turn to block loading in that sea zone during combat move.

                                  TripleA Developer with a Passion for AI: https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/105/ai-development-discussion-and-feedback

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                                    wirkey Moderators
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                                    @Hepps I came up with an idea about the destroyer/sub issue. I think giving destroyers AA capabilities against subs moving through their sz might be way to balance the two units a bit more. To start with I would only give them those first shots during "overfly" (moving through the SZ) and not during combats. Starting with some value that might make a difference; my idea was for 3/4/5 with destroyer/imp/adv tech and 6 with advanced destroyer.

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                                      Cernel Moderators @wirkey
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                                      @wirkey said in Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.3:

                                      @redrum I only know one player who makes all his movements (better most of them) during cm. That's a leftover from nwo/waw, where it had the benefit for better planning your purchase (between cm and combats). But as there is no advantage of making non combat moves during combat movement phase, I'd go with it.

                                      People should not make non-combat movements during Combat Movement. That is forbidden by the rules. You are supposed not to let your opponent do so (like for any illegal moves not enforced by the program).

                                      WAW and NWO are no exception to this, as long as an exception is not present in the game notes.

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                                        Cernel Moderators @ubernaut
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                                        @ubernaut said in Total World War: December 1941 3.0.0.3:

                                        @wirkey i noticed that option but don't really understand it why should sea transports be allowed to load in hostile sea zones unless they are only occupied by enemy subs?

                                        Are you talking from a "realism" standpoint?

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                                          any ideas what may cause this message? I get that at every start of the round

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                                          • ubernautU Offline
                                            ubernaut Moderators @Cernel
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                                            @Cernel no just wondering in general what the reasoning was. 🙂

                                            "You should never have told me horses sleep standing up, it gave me a mental block." - Mister Ed

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