Cold War 1965 version 2.0 - Official Thread

DaveBall068

@beelee Yes, I was Conarymor. There is no record of the graphic change in History. I will write up and submit a bug to Git.

I figured out how to use the land transport. It works fine.

DaveBall068

Latest version: cold_war_1965-master-rev02-D
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2C3wcDJqoQoFz68ERTsdH-haPw1sqrP/view?usp=sharing

Changes:

Updates to unit placement and quantities to improve game balance.
Fixed missing/incorrect Sea Zone connections.

EDIT -- Note: This version does not have victory conditions. They will be added to the next version.

beelee

@daveball068

@RogerCooper can help you update this on github for triplea so the latest map can be downloaded with "Download Maps"

jkprince

It’s good to see this map getting an update! I played and it was nice (though I did experience problems of AIs building way too many trucks, dozens of them, often on island territories like the UK and Japan where they served no purpose)

ideas for changes specifically in Europe:

Right now Europe is way too crowded. This map could benefit from adding an inset for Central Europe centred around Germany similar to the one that already exists for the Middle East centred around Israel.
It would permit the addition of more territories separating the two Germanies into smaller regions, allowing for more room to manoeuvre and for more units to fit in the space.

changes that would pair well with that:
make Austria belong to Neutral-USA, move most of the offensive NATO forces elsewhere and convert the rest to Neutral-USA units

split a separate Low Countries territory off from France. representing 3 founding NATO members it could have significant amount of NATO troops + defences (redistributed from current units in Austria) and a factory. Giving a bit more depth for NATO forces in Europe even if they lose West Germany

add a factory to Czechoslovakia Hungary, Czechoslovakia was a significant arguably the top Warsaw Pact industry, they produced quite a bit of their own army's equipment even as other Warpac members leant on the Soviet military industry

add (and/or convert from Warsaw Pact units) a significant amount of USSR forces in the western Warsaw Pact territories because they had major military presence (I assume they aren't there already simply for gameplay purposes and/or just not to take up more room visually) especially in East Germany

change Baltic States units and territory to USSR, also change much of the baltic sea fleet to USSR as well

change both Sweden and Finland to Neutral (from Neutral-USA and neutral-USSR respectively) and add more defences to both (Sweden +1 Artillery, Tank, Anti-Air and Fighter, Finland +1 Artillery)

some non europe-focused ideas:

switch South Vietnam and Japan to being owned by SEATO but only change some of the units in both to belonging to SEATO, keeping large USA presence

change Israel territory and all its units to belonging to USA, increase territory IPC value a bit, just feels more fitting

using the TerritoryAttachment option named WhenCapturedByGoesTo (seen used in Total World War for example), make it so the major powers will often transfer territories to expand their allies.
USA can transfer territories in Europe to NATO and in the Pacific to SEATO while the USSR can transfer territories in Europe to WarsawPact and in Africa/Middle East to ArabLeague. And possibly AI-China can transfer territories in Southeast Asia to AI-SinoPact

This can be done by adding this to a territory’s corresponding TerritoryAttachment in the game xml
<option name="whenCapturedByGoesTo" value="USA:NATO"/>
to make a territory that when captured by USA is handed over to NATO for example.

DaveBall068

@beelee It is not ready for download. The map throws errors in release 2.5. It presents a missing image error, for which the images are present, and fails to run. This issue is documented and resolved in 2.7. Also, I need to add victory conditions in the next version.

CC. @RogerCooper

RogerCooper

@beelee Just came back from vacation, I will look at this next weekend.

DaveBall068

@beelee @wc_sumpton I want to implement victory conditions for the US Alliance (players: USA, NATO, SEATO) and the Soviet Alliance (players: USSR, Warsaw Pact, Arab League). Each must capture the other's three capitals. What is the best way to implement this? Thx

RogerCooper

@daveball068 said in Cold War 1965 version 2.0 - Official Thread:

@beelee @wc_sumpton I want to implement victory conditions for the US Alliance (players: USA, NATO, SEATO) and the Soviet Alliance (players: USSR, Warsaw Pact, Arab League). Each must capture the other's three capitals. What is the best way to implement this? Thx

Make the capitals victory cities and set the victory condition at 6 cities.

wc_sumpton

@daveball068

There will need to be conditions and triggers for each team.

<!-- Soviet Allliance victory conditions -->
<!-- NATO has 2 capitals, so check for ownership of 1 -->
<attachment name="conditionAttachmentSovietAlliance1NATOCapital" attachTo="USSR" javaClass="RulesAttachment" type="player">
   <option name="alliedOwnershipTerritories" value="United Kingdom:Northeast Canada" count="1"/>
</attachment>
<attachment name="conditionAttachmentSovietAllianceVictory" attachTo="USSR" javaClass="RulesAttachment" type="player">
   <!-- This add the NATO capitals as a condition -->
   <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentSovietAlliance1NATOCapital"/>
   <option name="alliedOwnershipTerritories" value="Northeast United States:New South Wales" count="2"/>
</attachment>
<!-- US Alliance victory conditions -->
<attachment name="conditionAttachmentUSAllianceVictory" attachTo="USA" javaClass="RulesAttachment" type="player">
   <option name="alliedOwnershipTerritories" value="Moscow:Poland:Egypt" count="3"/>
</attachment>

<!-- USSR Alliance triggers -->
<attachment name="triggerAttachmentUSSRAllainceVictory_CapitalControl" attachTo="USSR" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
   <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentSovietAllianceVictory"/>
   <option name="when" value="after:arableagueEndTurn"/>
   <!-- both "victory" and "notification" will look in the "notifications.properties" in your maps root folder for a string with the value's name, and then it will use whatever is to the right of the = sign.-->
   <option name="victory" value="USSR_ALLIANCE_VICTORY"/>
   <option name="players" value="USSR:WarsawPact:ArabLeague"/>
</attachment>
<attachment name="triggerAttachmentUSAAlliance_CapitalControl" attachTo="USA" javaClass="TriggerAttachment" type="player">
   <option name="conditions" value="conditionAttachmentUSAllianceVictory"/>
   <option name="when" value="after:arableagueEndTurn"/>
   <option name="victory" value="USA_ALLIANCE_VICTORY"/>
   <option name="players" value="USA:NATO:SEATO"/>
</attachment>

There will also need to be a notifications.properties file with the "victory" messages.

USSR_ALLIANCE_VICTORY=The USSR Alliance has triggered a Victory with control of at least 1 NATO capital and both USA and SEATO capitals
USA_ALLIANCE_VICTORY=The USA Alliance has triggered a Victory with the control of USSR, WarsawPact and ArabLeague Capitals

Cheers...

DaveBall068

@jkprince Thank you for the detailed feedback. I really appreciate it. These are some great ideas! I have a new version in progress that already addresses some of these. It runs in prerelease 2.7 and contains many game balance changes. If possible, I would like to get your feedback on the new version.

I think your ideas have merit. I like enhancing SEATO with more territory. I also the concept of transferring (WhenCapturedByGoesTo) territory to allies.

The map inset is a huge amount of work and I am trying to avoid changing it. I did think about something similar and adding in Diego Garcia. I am prioritizing these for a later release, maybe.

Moving Israel to USA makes sense I think from game play standpoint.

The tense borders (East/West Germany, the Koreas, India/Pakistan, Kashmir) contain large numbers of defensive border guard units to represent the heavily armed standoff.

The new map version for TripleA 2.7 contains and independent India which will attack Kashmir and Pakistan, and China which will act to liberate Taiwan and Sino Pact if occupied. I have also changed the truck (more expensive) to keep AI from stockpiling them. Same with Carriers. Also, ICBMs have a range of 12 and cost 10. Plus, fixed missing land/sea connections.

Latest version: cold_war_1965-master-rev02-D
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2C3wcDJqoQoFz68ERTsdH-haPw1sqrP/view?usp=sharing

DaveBall068

@wc_sumpton Thank you so much for the code sample! I will implement in the next version.

TheDog

@daveball068
If you can find a current map that meets your needs it is far easier to insert your code into that, than to keep splitting your current map.

RogerCooper

@daveball068 said in Cold War 1965 version 2.0 - Official Thread:

@jkprince Thank you for the detailed feedback. I really appreciate it. These are some great ideas! I have a new version in progress that already addresses some of these. It runs in prerelease 2.7 and contains many game balance changes. If possible, I would like to get your feedback on the new version.

I think your ideas have merit. I like enhancing SEATO with more territory. I also the concept of transferring (WhenCapturedByGoesTo) territory to allies.

The map inset is a huge amount of work and I am trying to avoid changing it. I did think about something similar and adding in Diego Garcia. I am prioritizing these for a later release, maybe.

Moving Israel to USA makes sense I think from game play standpoint.

The tense borders (East/West Germany, the Koreas, India/Pakistan, Kashmir) contain large numbers of defensive border guard units to represent the heavily armed standoff.

The new map version for TripleA 2.7 contains and independent India which will attack Kashmir and Pakistan, and China which will act to liberate Taiwan and Sino Pact if occupied. I have also changed the truck (more expensive) to keep AI from stockpiling them. Same with Carriers. Also, ICBMs have a range of 12 and cost 10. Plus, fixed missing land/sea connections.

Latest version: cold_war_1965-master-rev02-D
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2C3wcDJqoQoFz68ERTsdH-haPw1sqrP/view?usp=sharing

Do you want to post this version or are you still working on it?

RogerCooper

@rogercooper I was running a test of the version currently on TripleA and received the following error.

 IllegalStateException: java.lang.IllegalStateException: sortedTargetsToPickFrom must have the same size as targetsToPickFrom list 
IllegalStateException: sortedTargetsToPickFrom must have the same size as targetsToPickFrom list

DaveBall068

@rogercooper The latest version errors out in release 2.5. It requires 2.7 to run. Do you know when 2.7 will go to prod?

RogerCooper

@daveball068 I always use the Prerelease version.

DaveBall068

@jkprince I get the following error after implementing the following XML:

Missing property definition for option 'whenCapturedByGoesTo' in attachment 'territoryDefinition'

<attachment name="territoryAttachment" attachTo="East Germany" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.TerritoryAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="production" value="7"/>
  <option name="whenCapturedByGoesTo" value="USSR:WarsawPact"/>
</attachment>

@wc_sumpton @beelee Any thoughts?