Large Middle Earth queries

alkexr

@hepps Strange behaviors like a two hit unit dying without being hit once? There might be queer things going on, but for sure not queer enough for this.

Conflicting data? I'm fairly certain it usually works just fine, the problem was that bears had -3/-2 on a settlement, instead of the intended -1/0.

Hepps

@mattbarnes The Bear has a defense of 3 (x2 defensive rolls) the terrain modifier on defense is -2 for a bear in settlement. So the engine will take -2 from both defensive rolls.... (3-2)+(3-2)= 1+1= defense of 2 in LL or a defense of 1 and 1 for dice.

Hepps

@hepps I just re-tested and the 2 hit bears function normally and all the attack and defense values match what is in the XML.

Hepps

@alkexr The issue is in the notes.... in the game notes it says a bear receives a -1 in settlement.... but the value is set to -2 in the XML.

alkexr

@hepps Except download the saved game I sent, look at game history, especially the last two battles:
1 bat attacking 1 bear (and a factory)
bat rolls 10 at 4
bear rolls 4 and 12 at 1
BOOM bear dies!

Hepps

@alkexr Well I redid the battle and it functioned correctly. The history looks wonky.... but when I executed the same attack on the very next turn it operated perfectly. The bear sustained 2 hits as it is supposed to.

I have no idea which engine version you are running on.... that may be the issue.

alkexr

@hepps 1.9.0.0.7062

Hepps

@alkexr One of the Devs might be better qualified to assess whether that particular release had issues.

Hepps

@alkexr Oh and after looking at the XML the territory effects are fine.... they are just formatted slightly differently than I am used to seeing. Threw me for a loop at first glance.

redrum

@mattbarnes @alkexr Yeah, if I save right before the battles and re-roll them everything seems to work fine and the bear takes 2 hits to kill with the latest pre-release. I know there were a few bugs around multi-hp units in earlier engine versions but they seem to be resolved based on my test.

Can you try downloading the latest pre-release and see if you can reproduce the bug: https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/releases

prastle

@beelee it wasn't the bat attacking a bear part?

alkexr

@redrum Couldn't reproduce in 1.9.0.0.9347

mattbarnes

@hepps Thanks for your reply but the Game Notes say a Creature defends at -1 in a Settlement. In addition, as @alkexr says, it should also have a +1 for being "All". How do you get -2? Have you read that from the XML? Does the XML differ from the Game Notes?

Also, you say the 2 Hit Bears are working correctly and yet @alkexr has posted a bugged file. Why do he and I have the bug and you don't?

Hepps

@mattbarnes Yes... the XML differs from the notes.

I think the bug is related to the exact engine version you may have been playing with. I am on a different engine and the 2 hit issue appears to have been isolated to the engine version you were playing with.

redrum

@mattbarnes Yeah the hit points bug has been fixed and looks like @alkexr was able to confirm that using one of the pre-releases (1.9.0.0.9347).

mattbarnes

@hepps Is it possible to circulate a table of modifiers based on the XML please, to the extent that they differ from the Notes?

Hepps

@mattbarnes It is the responsibilty of the map maker to correct issues with the map.

alkexr

@mattbarnes Known issues affecting gameplay are:

Incorrect tooltip for dwarven units
Incorrect territory effect for bears in settlements
No unit production after losing capital

Hepps

@alkexr I would add....

No nation flags (large and small) to make gameplay more user friendly.

alkexr

@hepps That didn't make it to this list since it does not directly affect gameplay. I didn't forget it, don't worry