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    • alkexrA Offline
      alkexr @mattbarnes
      last edited by

      @mattbarnes I think this is an engine thing, ask @redrum
      In any case, at this point I'm sufficiently fed up with all the problems around capitals that I will simply not use capitals in the next version. It's not like you would want to give up your capital even if it was just a normal territory.

      "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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        mattbarnes
        last edited by

        No problem, I'll ask Redrum. However, I'm interested in your intent as creator: I'm playing PvP and find myself with non-repairing Eagles. Should we consider it a game error and Edit each round to correct this, or should we just accept the game as it is?

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        • redrumR Offline
          redrum Admin @mattbarnes
          last edited by

          @mattbarnes Whether you control your capital I don't think influences whether your units repair to my knowledge. Do you have the save game?

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          • M Offline
            mattbarnes @redrum
            last edited by

            @redrum Yep, here it is.0_1527063152473_M&M1.tsvg

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            • redrumR Offline
              redrum Admin @mattbarnes
              last edited by

              @mattbarnes I don't think that is the right save game as I see them repairing in the 4th round...

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              • M Offline
                mattbarnes
                last edited by

                Sorry. This one: 0_1527150174137_M&M2.tsvg

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                • redrumR Offline
                  redrum Admin @mattbarnes
                  last edited by

                  @mattbarnes @alkexr So the engine behavior is correct as this map is using this repair property:

                  				<property name="Two HitPoint Units Require Repair Facilities" value="true" editable="false">
					<boolean/>
				</property>

                  And eagle units are defined as repairing themselves:

                  					<attachment name="unitAttachment" attachTo="eagle" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attachments.UnitAttachment" type="unitType">
						<option name="isAir" value="true"/>
						<option name="movement" value="8"/>
						<option name="hitPoints" value="2"/>
						<option name="repairsUnits" value="1:eagle"/>						
                                                <option name="attack" value="4"/>
						<option name="attackRolls" value="2"/>
						<option name="defense" value="3"/>
						<option name="defenseRolls" value="2"/>
                    </attachment>

                  This means if the player that owns the eagles loses their capital then the eagles won't be repaired as for 'repair facilities' to function for units the unit owner must control at least one of their capitals. Whether that is what @alkexr intended is a different question and I'm guessing that the use of that property and units repaired themselves was done for some other reason and this is probably a side effect since it isn't mentioned in the notes.

                  Here is the code snippet and explanation for reference:

                          // Damaged units can only be repaired by facilities if the unit owner controls their capital
        if (!TerritoryAttachment.doWeHaveEnoughCapitalsToProduce(damagedUnit.getOwner(), damagedUnit.getData())) {
          return false;
        }

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                  • alkexrA Offline
                    alkexr @redrum
                    last edited by

                    @redrum Aww. That means I either have to

                    • accept that eagles don't repair after losing capital 😒
                    • accept that by repairing 2 out of 3 hitpoints a turn dragons and mumakil are crazy op 😰
                    • create 1px x 1px capital provinces in the top left edge of the map for every player, disconnected from everything 😱

                    I guess I can always just make dragons and oliphants even more expensive. At least it will feel good to 🚂 steamroll with them 😉

                    "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                    • redrumR Offline
                      redrum Admin @alkexr
                      last edited by

                      @alkexr Oh, you are using the facilities repair to get around that regular repair always heals all HP. While I generally don't like more properties this might be a case where a property like "Repair Facilities Don't Require Capital Ownership". I think your options 1 & 3 are reasonable as well if something like that isn't added.

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                      • HeppsH Offline
                        Hepps Moderators @alkexr
                        last edited by

                        @alkexr Or you could just remove the requirement for facilities.

                        "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                        Hepster

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                          redrum Admin @Hepps
                          last edited by redrum

                          @hepps That would be choice 2 and cause the 3 HP units to potentially heal 2 HP in 1 turn. Probably the worst option as then they are crazy OP.

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                            Hepps Moderators @redrum
                            last edited by

                            @redrum Ahhh forgot about the three HP units.

                            Then the secondary hypothetical capitals would work perfectly.

                            "A joyous heart sours with the burden of expectation"
                            Hepster

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                              mattbarnes
                              last edited by

                              In the short term, should I assume that the non-repairing Eagles are unintended and therefore use Edit to correct, or do I just accept that "the game is the game" for now?

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                              • alkexrA Offline
                                alkexr @mattbarnes
                                last edited by

                                @mattbarnes Non-repairing eagles are clearly unintended. But it's up to you and whomever you're playing with to decide how you handle the situation. The intended rule is "repair", the game-enforced rule is "don't repair", you have to decide which is more important to you.

                                "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                                  mattbarnes
                                  last edited by

                                  Hey one more minor point for your list, in case you want to hear it: it appears as though ships can travel up the river through Tharbad, even if the town is in enemy hands. Presumably not intended?

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                                    mattbarnes
                                    last edited by

                                    Still loving the game, by the way.

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                                    • alkexrA Offline
                                      alkexr @mattbarnes
                                      last edited by

                                      @mattbarnes I used territory connections instead of canals, because canals just simply refused to work. I have asked it like three times on the old and the new forum, got no response. Feel free to make them work 🙂

                                      "For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air."

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                                        Cernel Moderators @alkexr
                                        last edited by

                                        @alkexr If you ask again, I may take a look. Canals always work for me so far. You can also make canals that, like, allow some (the bigger) ships to never be able to pass through, so having only some ships being riverable (like the small ones yes if you own the canal but the big ones never in rivers). Probably better in a separate topic, but whatever.

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                                        • redrumR Offline
                                          redrum Admin @alkexr
                                          last edited by

                                          @alkexr Glad to take a look as well. You should be able to have cities on the river act as canals. Civil War uses canals extensively for both rivers and rails so has lots of good examples: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/triplea-maps/civil_war/master/map/games/Civil_War.xml

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                                          • alkexrA Offline
                                            alkexr @redrum
                                            last edited by

                                            @redrum @Cernel Canals are in the xml in comments. The territory connections currently overriding them are under "<!--THEESE SHOULD BE CANALS-->". I have taken many looks on many maps that had working canals, to no avail.

                                            <attatchment name="canalAttatchmentHarnen" attatchTo="sz Lower Harnen" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Crossings of Harnen Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Crossings of Harnen"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentHarnen" attatchTo="sz Upper Harnen" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Crossings of Harnen Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Crossings of Harnen"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentOsgiliath" attatchTo="sz Lower Anduin 2" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Osgiliath Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Osgiliath"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentOsgiliath" attatchTo="sz Lower Anduin 3" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Osgiliath Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Osgiliath"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentCairAndros" attatchTo="sz Lower Anduin 3" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Cair Andros Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Cair Andros"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentCairAndros" attatchTo="sz Lower Anduin 4" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Cair Andros Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Cair Andros"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentOldFord" attatchTo="sz Upper Anduin 4" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Old Ford Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Old Ford"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentOldFord" attatchTo="sz Upper Anduin 5" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Old Ford Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Old Ford"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentCarrock" attatchTo="sz Upper Anduin 5" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Carrock Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Carrock"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentCarrock" attatchTo="sz Upper Anduin 6" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Carrock Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Carrock"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentDorwinion" attatchTo="sz Celduin 1" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Dorwinion Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Dorwinion"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentDorwinion" attatchTo="sz Sea of Rhun" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Dorwinion Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Dorwinion"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentTharbad" attatchTo="sz Greyflood 2" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Tharbad Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Tharbad"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentTharbad" attatchTo="sz Greyflood 3" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Tharbad Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Tharbad"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentLastBridge" attatchTo="sz Mitheithel 1" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Last Bridge Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Last Bridge"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentLastBridge" attatchTo="sz Mitheithel 2" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Last Bridge Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Last Bridge"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentSarnFord" attatchTo="sz Baranduin 2" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Sarn Ford Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Sarn Ford"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentSarnFord" attatchTo="sz Baranduin 3" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Sarn Ford Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Sarn Ford"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentBrandywineBridge" attatchTo="sz Baranduin 3" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Brandywine Bridge Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Brandywine Bridge"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentBrandywineBridge" attatchTo="sz Baranduin 4" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Brandywine Bridge Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Brandywine Bridge"/>
</attatchment>
					
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentMithlond" attatchTo="sz Lhun" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Mithlond Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Mithlond"/>
</attatchment>
<attatchment name="canalAttatchmentMithlond" attatchTo="sz Gulf of Lhun" javaClass="games.strategy.triplea.attatchments.CanalAttachment" type="territory">
  <option name="canalName" value="Mithlond Canal"/>
  <option name="landTerritories" value="Mithlond"/>
</attatchment>

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